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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Kind of a general question here:

Because of work from home I've been planning to upgrade from the old HP inkjet All-in-one I have kicking around to a laser AIO, with a document feeder as part of it.

I've gotten kind of spoiled by the old but functional web interface on the HP, particularly since I spend most of my time in Linux and it makes scanning easy. I can scan a document using the web interface and download it locally regardless of OS or browser I'm using.

At work we have Konica/Minolta machines that store scans locally and you can retrieve from a user box by logging into the machine, which accomplishes the same thing but even simpler. You can even print directly from the machine's web interface, which is surprisingly handy.

My question is whether any low-priced laser AIOs have similar features or if they pretty much rely on a driver/software interface to accomplish scanning? Searching on this so far has not felt like I get clear answers.

What I want is a laser AIO with a document feeder that works well with Windows, Linux, and Android, pretty much in that order.

Given my prior experience I lean toward HP being the most likely to play nicely, but I know Brother is highly recommended and I see Canon printers in the same sub-$200 pricepoint I'm looking at, so I thought I'd see if anyone had insights on it.

Thanks!

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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





I'm still debating on what laser multi-function to go with, but Brother is definitely on the list. I just wish it were easier to get a better sense of the capabilities of different printers online - HP manuals cover several different models and don't make it super clear which features belong to which, and Brother's website doesn't give me a clear idea of how they work. The scanning feature is what I am most concerned about, and seems like the hardest thing to get information on.

PirateDentist posted:

If someone wants to print occasional photos, use a printing service, they'll look better and be worth the savings in $50 cartridges and just pure frustration. Walmart charges almost the same amount to print glossy 4x6 as Lexmark says the average color page costs to print, not even counting the cost of photo paper, and you'll never have to deal with cleaning printheads.

Photos are the only place I feel an inkjet belongs, and really only if you're pretty serious about photography as a hobby. I've owned a couple photo printers over the years, and if you are making poster-sized prints then having your own printer is good. My last photo printer was a Canon that easily matched or surpassed the 11x17 prints I had printed by a local camera store. But I spent a lot of time doing photography and almost never printed anything smaller than 8.5x11.

One of these days I'm going to get a nice camera again, and at that point might be looking at another photo printer, but certainly not before.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Peachfart posted:

The answer is always: if you need a printer, buy a Brother laser. If you want color... Then still buy a Brother laser, you don't need it that badly. Okay, you really want color? Are you willing to spend at least 500 bucks? Consider buying a color laser but they are big and pricey. Oh, you want to print photos? Buy an inkjet and prepare to spend ungodly amounts of money on ink.

I'm not sure I made it clear, but part of what I was trying to get across is that I think of photo printers as entirely separate and distinct from other printers. It's not that you get a printer that can print photos, it's that you get a printer that only prints photos.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





I recently bought an HP M130fw and it's been fine so far except for incredibly bad driver issues on one Windows 10 machine. That particular computer has problems with any printer, though - on other computers the M130fw has been just fine.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





zaepg posted:

I have an old HP Inkjet Printer I'm fixing.

Why?

I mean, if there is a compelling reason or the answer is just "because I want to" that's fine, but non-photo inkjets are more ink-selling vehicles than anything else.

If I was working on that thing I'd probably focus on trying to clean out the well where the sponges are - it appears to be where the cartridges park and might insta-clog new cartridges due to all the spilled ink.

I would worry it is an exercise in futility - I don't know a lot about the chemicals involved, but I'd be concerned that if the plastic bits in the well marinated in ink long enough the plastic might be permanently altered and will be perpetually sticky.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Buck Turgidson posted:

I ended up going with a more basic Brother laser printer, the HL-L2350DW No issues whatsoever with driverless network printing from an ubuntu machine, android phone etc. Prints fast, print quality seems good (at least for the basic stuff I'm using it for), duplex works. I don't print heaps but I'm happy with it so far.

PS if you "need" colours for a graph or something, just print in bw, raid your kid's colour pencils/pens/crayons, and do some colouring in on company time. highly recommended.

I didn't chime in on your question because I ended up buying an HP laser printer a few months ago, but in my experience printing from Linux has been easier than printing from Windows for a while now.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





This might be a personal bias, but for professional documents laser feels so much better. Whenever I've had to print something serious or official on inkjets I've had qualms, from smeary ink to the document itself not holding up as well over time. I went with a B&W laser MFP for this reason. A quick search shows what I assume to be decent color laser printers (not MFP) down in the $200 range, so depending on budget (and workflow) it still seems reasonable to go laser.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





C-Euro posted:

Oh I didn't notice that they make laserjets that do color. I think I could justify $200 on a printer if we get 15 years out of it like we've gotten from this HP :v

I'd price out the consumables against the volume of printing being done, but I can't imagine a Brother laser is going to be less cost-effective than any inkjet.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Polybrute posted:

Throwing my useless take in here to say that Ricoh printers are some of the easiest MFPs I've ever worked with. Find printer driver online. Download driver. Unzip. Find printer on network. Install driver. Done. Not to much setting up network folder scanning takes like 2 seconds it's incredible. Meanwhile HP printers have a network folder scan functionality that has worked exactly 1 out of the at least 50 times I've had to work with them. Instead, you have to download a piece of software which then forces you to make an HP account if you want to use the scan function. Because a basic function of the printer being locked behind a piece of software is a totally brilliant idea and should be applauded. gently caress you HP.

I'm guessing you're talking about the "HP Smart" bullshit? I haven't really messed around with it, since I set up a network location for scans to go to and I just use that. My partner has been using HP Smart crap and not complaining, but they have an HP laptop and already had an HP account set up, so it was a slightly different situation.

Running the HP all-in-one from Linux has been generally faster and easier than running it from Windows.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Pablo Bluth posted:

Laser. Laser. Laser. Laser. Laser. Laser. Laser. Laser. Laser.

Yeah, at this point I only think of inkjet as suitable for high-end photo printers.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





If I had a landline phone I could fax from my HP laser all-in-one.

DrThief, when you say "I need to print in colour in good quality" what exactly do you mean? Clear color text, graphics, or photos? You can get laser all-in-ones that do color, but what counts as good quality is really going to depend on what kind of output you need. Lasers are not going to be great for photos, but for color text and basic graphics there are going to be many that are just fine.

At this point in time you can get laser printers at a much more reasonable price than in the old days, and it really is a night and day difference in using them for business purposes. They're more cost-effective per page, sure, but the output is also just better - it doesn't smear, or bleed, or have any of the pitfalls of inkjet documents. Like I said above on this page, outside of photo printing I just don't see inkjets as a reasonable option anymore.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





FlamingLiberal posted:

My HP home all-in-one printer seems to have poo poo the bed..does anyone have any recommendations for an all-in-one that is under $200, or at least the ones I should avoid?

I see that people are suggesting laser over inkjet, but I don't know if there are many all-in-one laser printers around $200 or less?

You can get laser all-in-ones for under $200. I think mine cost me around $170 or so, but it might have been closer to $200. Check BestBuy or Office Depot or Staples or CostCo and see what they run.

For general printing laser is just orders of magnitude better than inkjet.

Edit: I checked my printer earlier and after like a year the cartridge is showing 50% use, and I don't have to worry about clogged ink or smearing or poo poo. It is just so vastly superior to the similar-looking inkjet all-in-one I used to use. Both my current and former all-in-ones were HP, for what it's worth. I just avoid their proprietary bullshit and subscription scams and they've been fine.

CaptainSarcastic fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Oct 1, 2021

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





FlamingLiberal posted:

What model do you have

It's an M130fw and has been fine for me, but I'm also used to making HP stuff behave how I want. I mostly print from Linux, but my partner uses all the HP stuff on Windows and is fine with it. I set up a network location for scanning so that's pretty painless, too.

https://www.officedepot.com/a/produ...68&gclsrc=3p.ds

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Faux Mulder posted:

I need a home printer that's going to see fairly light use - the occasional couple of documents for work, but probably more often stuff for running tabletop RPGs - player handouts, scenario notes and character sheets, etc. Probably about 15-20 sheets per week one average, and very occasionally some bigger jobs if I want to print out sections of PDF rulebooks, etc, but that's a rare edge case. It doesn't necessarily need to be colour but that would be nice to have, 'cause I'm big on presentation with these things, so if it does do colour it needs to be good colour. I don't have a lot of room so I'd like it to be pretty compact, and I don't need a scanner because I can use the one at work or I guess my phone. Because the jobs will be pretty small, I'm not too fussed about ink economy, and I'm looking to stay on the cheaper side - could probably push it to about 150. What's my best option for this?

B&W laser is almost certainly going to be your best bang for the buck, and fewest headaches down the road. The thread generally prefers Brother, but they aren't the only game in town.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Devian666 posted:

How often do people print photos anyway? Even then if you want a quality print you can just go somewhere with fancy commercial printers.

If you're printing photos you want a dedicated photo printer, which is generally going to be an inkjet. For everything else a laser is superior.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





I've owned a couple photo printers over the years, first an old HP Photosmart that did pretty well on the right paper, and then a Canon that could do up to at least 11x17 and produced results indistinuishable from or better than the prints I had made at a dedicated photo printing shop (again, paper made a difference). I have a hard time picturing a non-inkjet printer capable of this kind of quality, but your statement about it "costs more than a car" probably explains my ignorance on the matter.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Paul MaudDib posted:

ugh, I still am thinking about printers. I keep talking myself in circles. The L2750DW seems obviously worth it considering the cost of a standalone duplex document scanner.

The L8900CDW vs the MF743Cdw, I don't know. It looks like Canon's linux driver situation is alright although not as great as Brother. It'll probably cover my needs for the occasions when I use Linux, and it'll scan to a network share. Not as nice as having full CUPS support for ARM/etc but it'll be OK. If worse comes to worst, I can leave it plugged into a NUC or something as a print server and it'll be ok. The Canon seems to have much better graphical/photo print quality - I'm not looking to do serious photo printing but on the other hand if I print something graphical I don't want it to look crappy either, then the extra money would just have been a waste. The Canon also seems to have a much more limited situation with non-OEM toner and the one brand I can find there's a fair number of people complaining about cartridges breaking and dumping toner in the printer and ruining it.

realistic answer is buy the L2750DW, that covers almost everything I really need, but I kinda want color laser for those rare occasions color would enhance my enjoyment of something I'm printing (a guide with graphics or something, etc). I guess on those occasions I'd be happy with the brother anyway, but if I'm gonna get it why not get the one that's better at actual color printing? But then that locks me into a much more limited set of aftermarket toners, etc.

Dehumanize yourself and face to HP.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





If I wanted to print photos I'd get a dedicated photo printer. For my light, irregular working from home output the B&W laser all-in-one I got last year is hands-down superior to any inkjet I've ever owned. No messing with cartridges, no smears, no having to replace overpriced ink because I didn't use it for too long and the head clogged. And the clarity of the text is much better overall.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Internet Savant posted:

I am in a similar situation. We paid the $400ish for the brother 3770 color laser about 3 years ago. It's connected to our home network and when we need to print color , it just works and I don't think about it. The not thinking hard whether the printer will work or not is worth it. the wife being happy part and having something that just works is also worth it.

We were waffling when we bought it about whether to spend the big cash, but 3 years later, we were glad we did

:same: Well, but with B&W. Since going to laser my biggest headache has been that I keep forgetting to buy paper. I think it's been about a year now since I replaced the old inket AIW with a laser AIW, and it has been a much better experience. And I've had to buy zero consumables.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





redreader posted:

It's tax time and I find I have to print sensitive stuff a couple of times a year, and also the same for scanning. I COULD take photos of documents instead of scanning but I'd like to have a scanner. I don't have access to an office or anything, but I have a house so I can set up a print/scan station or something.

Our multi-use machine scanner/printer died (lol) and maybe I want to get a cheap scanner and an ok black and white printer. Is the OP printer still the One To Get? (after googling etc, apparently it's 350 and the newer version is 180, newer version being HL-L2350DW)

And I assume I can just get like a $40 scanner or something? (googles: HOLY poo poo so 100 for the cheapest and 200+ for most?)

A laser multifunction device is probably the best way to go, at least in my opinion. The quality of life improvement for me has been significant compared to the inkjet multifunction I had.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Rocko Bonaparte posted:

We finally settled on a Brother MFC-L3770CDW and I might as well be trying to buy the horn off of a unicorn right now. Office Depot wants to act like they sell them for $499 but they just don't have them at all anywhere.

Have you checked Best Buy?

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





Pablo Bluth posted:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/11/epson-quitting-laser-printers-doesnt-address-its-bigger-sustainability-issue/
"Sustainability" of our shareholders profit via those fat juicy ink margins and printers that die

Wow, that is some utter bullshit. Having been using a laser all-in-one since starting work-from-home there is no way I would go back to an inkjet for normal purposes (photo printing being the one exception).

CaptainSarcastic fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Nov 30, 2022

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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013





I replaced an inkjet all-in-one with a laser all-in-one near the start of the pandemic, and holy hell it was a quality of life improvement. I don't have to print all that often, so the percentage of times I needed to print but the inkjet had clogged nozzles, or wouldn't print text without a color ink cartridge installed, or had misaligned cartridges, or various other stupid reasons it wouldn't print or wouldn't print well worked out pretty high. The laser has been wonderfully uneventful, and I have yet to need to replace consumables (although I think it is getting close to needing it). The worst I have to do with the laser is occasionally power cycle it because it loses the network/the router forgets about it.

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