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KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009




Soiled Meat

Flesh Forge posted:

If someone is not able to appreciate AA's incredibly polished Youtube content I don't even know what to say, every aspect of his work is absolutely top notch technically. Great voice, great audio, great editing, really unique content that doesn't lean on usual Youtube tropes and memes. He's the best kind of artist and creator that Youtube has to offer, just aces in every category

I mean I tried to explain to my wife why I was tearing up while watching Torsolo lead the TorSquad to victory after Toruselam was sacked and I was called a crazy person.

If only she watched 40 of the preceding hours of content she would understand.

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Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

Show her something earlier in his Kenshi vids and she might actually be interested enough to watch more

Grevlek
Jan 10, 2004

go cow go

WHO IS IT???

Godlessdonut
Sep 13, 2005


Grevlek posted:

WHO IS IT???

It's Beep.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Flesh Forge posted:


these kinds of gimmick youtuber/streamers suck rear end and no one should waste their time watching them, make them get a real job.

I'm not talking about a youtuber or video maker, just venting about an absolute wall of a person who does a lot of legitimately useful things, makes reasonably popular mods, and I guarantee is the source of more than a couple of people swearing off of the modding channels.

I don't watch anyone play Kenshi (Robbaz maybe but he's seemingly moving away from youtube and hasn't done anything kenshi related in a long, long time) but my clown mod was shouted out in the SsethTzeentach (the guy the other posters are afraid of naming) and a bunch of people were posting "ssethgang" in the comments back when his kenshi video came out, which is how I found out about him lol

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009




Soiled Meat

Oh nooooooo~ youve summoned black stock photo models and HARD gay porn gifs into this thread.

timn
Mar 16, 2010


Babe Magnet posted:

I'm not talking about a youtuber or video maker, just venting about an absolute wall of a person who does a lot of legitimately useful things, makes reasonably popular mods, and I guarantee is the source of more than a couple of people swearing off of the modding channels.

I don't watch anyone play Kenshi (Robbaz maybe but he's seemingly moving away from youtube and hasn't done anything kenshi related in a long, long time) but my clown mod was shouted out in the SsethTzeentach (the guy the other posters are afraid of naming) and a bunch of people were posting "ssethgang" in the comments back when his kenshi video came out, which is how I found out about him lol

There are at least a few well-known modders in the Skyrim community who're exactly like this as well. It's a very interesting dichotomy to have someone who is objectively a great asset to the community yet so completely disagreeable that they're just as remembered for causing problems and drama. The consequence-free non-professional environment multiplied by internet pseudo-anonymity makes people's egos run absolutely wild.

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009




Soiled Meat

On my way back to Los Angeles. I stopped by this high desert shrine on exit 221 on the I15. I'm outside of the socal are so I have to type the uppercase i.



There's such incredible Kenshi energy in the Mojave. Models the feel better than FALLOUT NV. The wind really whips like that soundtrack.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


timn posted:

There are at least a few well-known modders in the Skyrim community who're exactly like this as well. It's a very interesting dichotomy to have someone who is objectively a great asset to the community yet so completely disagreeable that they're just as remembered for causing problems and drama. The consequence-free non-professional environment multiplied by internet pseudo-anonymity makes people's egos run absolutely wild.

Yeah I've been dipping my toes in and out of different modding communities for years and there's always someone trying to play Big Fish in a Small Pond. You've just got to learn to ignore them, I guess.

This is what's turned me off of mod-packs and megaprojects altogether, well that and the fact that the quality is usually all over the place and super inconsistent lol. There's a huge Kenshi one called Gensis that I get the itch to try every once in a while, but there's enough about it that I don't like that I just can bring myself to install it. It's difficult combing through the mod list to get the individual mods to install on their own because half of them are abandoned so that the author can focus on fully integrating them into Genesis.

timn
Mar 16, 2010


I have that problem as well. Major overhauls always seem to end up being complete overkill in certain areas with extraneous item add-ons and balance changes that the game didn't really need in the first place.

For Kenshi in particular I've been pretty happy with Hive/Cannibals/Shrieking Bandits Expanded and either Living World or Reactive World depending on personal taste. This seems to do a good job filling out the game in the areas it needs the most without adding too much cruft.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

KirbyKhan posted:

On my way back to Los Angeles. I stopped by this high desert shrine on exit 221 on the I15. I'm outside of the socal are so I have to type the uppercase i.



There's such incredible Kenshi energy in the Mojave. Models the feel better than FALLOUT NV. The wind really whips like that soundtrack.

it's really a unique and very cool aesthetic, and so much of it is still very raw Chris Hunt's work.

timn posted:

For Kenshi in particular I've been pretty happy with Hive/Cannibals/Shrieking Bandits Expanded and either Living World or Reactive World depending on personal taste. This seems to do a good job filling out the game in the areas it needs the most without adding too much cruft.

can vouch for these, they're very well-made and not OP or out of touch with the rest of the setting.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


They're a little OP but not exaggeratedly so, but since kenshi's so drat jank and not particularly well balanced in more than a few regards, it doesn't really matter. Like high quality Cannibal Plate is still very good despite its horrendeous stat penalties, but that just makes guys like chiefs and tenderizers all the more scary. I like it a lot, actually, as it's one of the few times I actually feel inclined to pick a guy to put on taunt and attempt to isolate them. Additionally, like every weapon introduced is extremely good as well, even if some are pretty gimmicky.

Way worth it though, I love those mods too.

Turpitude
Oct 12, 2004

Love love love

be an organ donor


Soiled Meat

I installed a giant mod pack one time (blood and sand?) and the best thing I found in it was a whole Shaolin type monk village with masters who give quests for different mastery level robes. They give poor NPCs food and shelter and have a big Buddha statue you can meditate under. I think they also sold badass pets. Very well designed and unique mod experience.

Sachant
Apr 27, 2011



Babe Magnet posted:

There's a huge Kenshi one called Gensis that I get the itch to try every once in a while, but there's enough about it that I don't like that I just can bring myself to install it. It's difficult combing through the mod list to get the individual mods to install on their own because half of them are abandoned so that the author can focus on fully integrating them into Genesis.

Fortunately Kenshi is pretty easy to mod, and it's pretty easy to reverse-engineer other people's mods (except for world edits). I have around a dozen personal-only mini mods that I've made by ripping out bits and pieces of stuff off of the workshop.

My biggest hang-up is sloppy writing. I'm an insufferable writing snob and there are so many mods out there that have bad grammar or just something that doesn't fit the theme/tone at all in their dialogue that it puts me out of the game immediately. The Prisoner Recruitment mod comes to mind as an example. This especially when the game itself is pretty solid with its writing. I have the same issue with Stellaris mods as well.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Oh yeah I'm pretty familiar with the FCS and its various... issues, I'm mostly just referring to the fact that the mods you're getting by picking them out of a list are very often the light and buggy versions of the mod they eventually became, but you've got the weight of the rest of Genesis' bullshit holding you down if you want to get your hands on it. It's easy enough to go in and fix small problems but it's the balance changes, content, and vision I'm looking for.

I feel you on the writing though. Kenshi's not exactly consistent or uhhh even all that good in its writing but what's there works for the kind of game Kenshi is and ended up being, and a lot of mods just end up destroying that fun goofiness by taking the swearing, screaming, and made-up-names-for-things way too far lol.


Turpitude posted:

I installed a giant mod pack one time (blood and sand?) and the best thing I found in it was a whole Shaolin type monk village with masters who give quests for different mastery level robes. They give poor NPCs food and shelter and have a big Buddha statue you can meditate under. I think they also sold badass pets. Very well designed and unique mod experience.

Martial Village is an A+ mod

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Ok, so if you don't have a melee weapon equipped, or if you're in a Stumble animation, you use Dodge for defense; if you do have a melee weapon equipped and not stumbling, you use Block.

Question: what defensive stat do crossbowfolk use? or do they use one at all? Can you dodge while shooting a crossbow? Can you dodge or block a crossbow bolt?

Just wondering for cross training purposes.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

pretty sure you use dodge, yes.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos


Its been a real long while but I thought it was some insane hybrid system. Projectile hit is based on model intersection of the bolt and the character. Being targeted directly by a projectile gives you a chance to roll dodge. If you succeed at dodge you just play the dodge animation. So you might dodge out of a direct hit, or you might dodge into the path of something you weren't gonna get hit by. If you weren't targeted and just happen to be in the path for some reason, no dodge attempt.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

I thought the question was for incoming attacks, i.e. you are wielding a crossbow and get attacked - you use dodge, pretty sure.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Flesh Forge posted:

I thought the question was for incoming attacks, i.e. you are wielding a crossbow and get attacked - you use dodge, pretty sure.

Well, either way. The root question is "is it worthwhile to train dodge on my archers and or people who might get hit by bolts when carrying weapons"

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos


I was agreeing you use dodge but I don't know how valuable it is when it isn't trustable mitigation.

If all else fails, just do stuff. I'd they need dodge, they'll eventually learn after you peel them off the ground a couple times.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

The dodge animation is straight back right not sideways? Won't help much vs an oncoming bolt.

But yeah my little base near squin is hitting kinda a ceiling, I think I'm gonna use it to make strong gear then go capture the dust king and the ninja bosses, use them to train, then relocate to the Greenpeace plateau base spot for crab tournaments and so forth.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Is Toughness increased by the damage you actually take or the damage inflicted on you before mitigation (armor etc)? Does environmental damage work or just combat damage?

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007


Switchblade Switcharoo

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Is Toughness increased by the damage you actually take or the damage inflicted on you before mitigation (armor etc)? Does environmental damage work or just combat damage?

Getting hit gives toughness xp, so getting hit more is better, so wearing as much armor at possible so you can get hit more with less risk of death is best.

Environment damage doesn't count, neither does the torture equipment.

You get a huge xp boost from interrupting playing dead, and get xp per hostile nearby when you do, so getting knocked out by a huge pack of hungry bandits then standing up before they leave is major xp

litany of gulps
Jun 11, 2001



Fun Shoe

Being actively eaten, at least according to years of reading this thread, is supposed to be the fastest way to boost toughness. String up the prospect on a fogman pole, let them get chewed on, then rescue them. I've never personally tried it, though. Fogmen skeeve me out, plus messing around in the foglands always escalates out of control faster than you expect.

timn
Mar 16, 2010


Getting eaten will instantly wake you up if you're knocked unconscious and not in a recovery coma, giving you the same huge chunk of toughness XP for standing up in a fight. It interrupts the attempt to eat you but also frequently results in you falling unconscious again immediately. With the right preparation and a little bit of luck it's possible to get a pack of beak things to rapidly wake you up over and over again like this without doing any further harm to you.

With this method your toughness will rocket into the 90's in literally just a couple of minutes of being horribly savaged. At that point you're practically unkillable because your KO point, bleed modifier, and natural damage resistance are so stacked that the beak things are never going to wear you down into a recovery coma. Eventually the pack will scatter apart or night will fall such that you can safely crawl away with your ill-gotten gains.

Soks
Apr 1, 2006
lol internet

I mean it can get out of control early on, but even without any XP multiplier mods, it doesn't take long in the fog lands to train up a few of your guys to be able to take on entire armies of fog men. Training out of mongrel was definitely one of the better starts I've ever had, but that was a Genesis run that added more advanced, harder Fogmen and that may have made the training even more effective.

Sadly I didn't get to partake in the 'being actively eaten' training that run, old Genesis bugged the poles and the Fogmen wouldn't eat my mans. Watching Criken use that method on his mutant sonic gang for his play through was pretty amazing though. Pretty sure being eaten by beasts works just as well? But a fair bit more dangerous, I don't think they go for limbs first like cannibals and fog men do.

Edit: ^ Welp, they knew far much than I did about it, aha.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Azhais posted:

Getting hit gives toughness xp, so getting hit more is better, so wearing as much armor at possible so you can get hit more with less risk of death is best.

Environment damage doesn't count, neither does the torture equipment.

You get a huge xp boost from interrupting playing dead, and get xp per hostile nearby when you do, so getting knocked out by a huge pack of hungry bandits then standing up before they leave is major xp

ok, good to know!

I think my next plan then is just to rotate groups of my guys through the fogmen.

I want to relocate to Greenbeach area but my guys right now are all in the 30's-ish skill range which seems to be the max i can get off of dust bandits near Squin. So the stuff around my new site stomps me because it's all in the 50's skillwise. Need to figure out what to train on between the 30's and the 50's. Maybe grass pirates?

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

NB: I'm pretty sure Beak Things or Blood Spiders also work just as well, as does the Peeler Machine; the thing is when a character loses a limb, they learn a huge amount of toughness, regardless of how it was removed. Fogmen posts are just a nicely controllable (well, usually) way to do this.

also, Beak Things make great sparring partners imo and they drop tons of valuable resources to boot

timn
Mar 16, 2010


Having missing or crippled limbs will increase that toughness XP multiplier you can see on your character stats panel. If you have replacement robotic limbs you can game this feature by removing them whenever you're purposely getting beaten up for toughness training.

Also, using martial arts while you have organic limbs will train your toughness even if you're wearing assassin's rags which negate all martial arts self-damage. If you're doing the whole schtick where you kidnap a buff skeleton NPC, remove their limbs, and wail on them while they lay in a repair bed, you can load up your encumbrance and simultaneously train strength, dex, AND toughness all at the same time.

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009




Soiled Meat

Aight, I'm planning on a new run. Looking for opinions. I want a download and go megamod pack for a fresh game. I had the vanilla like experience last go around so this time I wanna see the MOST. Should I go Blood and Sand or Genesis. Any experiences with either?

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021





Iím playing kenshi again and this time resisting the urge to make a base so I donít get bored doing management stuff.

Iíve found just city living lets you still make the weapons, money and gear you need with a million times less dealing with management or suicidal AI

I think Iím going to finally do an extermination of the holy nation via martial arts. I want to get a squad of fightsmans that can basically take on an entire city which will take a bit but they are already pretty hefty, they only just barely lose to HN patrols now and they donít need any weapons to try again at the jail after getting healed up.

SMEGMA_MAIL fucked around with this message at 02:28 on Apr 22, 2021

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009




Soiled Meat

Upon reviewing the respective options I can see that Genesis has that central authority modder nightmare personality that can wrangle all this nonsense into a one sub button experience.

But the Blood and Sand collection is like 300 buttons, which is cool because there is a select all button, and like 9 of these mods are just compatibility patches omg lmao this is insanity, but my rimworld brain is ready. Fuckin rofl at least 4 of these mods are boobie mods hahaha

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007



Peeler machine is terrible for toughness gain. Fogmen poles used to be extremely good, but I think that got changed in a patch.

BTW if you are carrying robot limbs, then the moment one of your neat limbs pops off you can slap a robot limb on the stump and doing so helps control the bleeding.

The Lone Badger fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Apr 22, 2021

SMEGMA_MAIL
May 4, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021





Actually I know what Iím going to do as soon as I heal up and break out my martial arts squad.

Iím going to find beep, and train him up to be one punch cyberbeep and have him stroll up and one shot the pheonix and tengu

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

The Lone Badger posted:

Peeler machine is terrible for toughness gain. Fogmen poles used to be extremely good, but I think that got changed in a patch.

Yeah, I tried that last night and it didn't seem to work that great. I didn't want my guy to lose his limbs though so I kept rescuing him, he got a few points but it wasn't worth the time/effort.

What I did this morning was line up my crossbow squad outside the Tower of Abuse, drag the inhabitants out one by one and massacre them, then pick up Screamer and Plonk. I can't seem to attack them while they're actively in the repair beds but I can while they're free, so I think i'm gonna take them back to base, throw them in prisoner cages, give them refitted Jittes so they have high melee defense, and use them as sparring partners until everyone has decent stats and skills.

The problem I've had before now is that all the captives I take either have low skills or starve to death or take too long to heal back up, but skeletons in a repair bed solve those issues.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012



Those limbs are holding you back.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Zesty posted:

Those limbs are holding you back.

Probably, but I have a foolish nostalgia for these meat sleeves.

Zesty
Jan 17, 2012



Opened the game for the first time in a year for a screenshot.

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Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

Losing the limbs is precisely what gives you large chunks of toughness

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