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fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

~death to capitalism~
Upgrade your OS



Salad Prong

Ciaphas posted:

i got an extension to not render that section of the webpage like a dog's age ago

look at this incompetent who didn't just block it in an adblocker

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ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012



Illegal Hen

iospace posted:

As for the rest, I think that's exactly it. The whole "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" mindset is really prevalent in the tech world, especially when you take the whole dot-com boom into affect, and everyone wants to be the next Uber.

too many of the wrong type of libertarian

make libertarian socialist again 🏴🏴🏴

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> propitiate the dread god arengee




Pillbug

fishmech posted:

look at this incompetent who didn't just block it in an adblocker

tbh i'll cop to this because there is something about the way ublock lets you pick elements to block that i just don't grok, i tried for like 45 minutes to block that godawful pinned gold thread background last month

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012



Illegal Hen

Crazy Achmed
Mar 13, 2001



Slippery Tilde

oh god my allergies

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Fun Shoe

Crazy Achmed posted:

oh god my allergies

aardvaard
Mar 4, 2013

you belong in the bog of eternal stench



if you're watching youtube videos that have lovely comments you need to find better videos

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

~death to capitalism~
Upgrade your OS



Salad Prong

CommunistPancake posted:

if you're watching youtube videos that have lovely comments you need to find better videos

yeah videos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93jgFDMsBZM

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

lolwut



The problem with youtube comments is specifically that every single video that has comments enabled ends up with terrible comments on it eventually.

You know what else is terrible?


elon musk

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



College Slice

fishmech posted:

look at this incompetent who didn't just block it in an adblocker

the best of all things

Ciaphas posted:

tbh i'll cop to this because there is something about the way ublock lets you pick elements to block that i just don't grok, i tried for like 45 minutes to block that godawful pinned gold thread background last month

styling removal is a whole different bag and i have a stylesheet i load to tweak sizing on the forums because i am a weirdo

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

Don't let the little fuckers generation gap you


hailthefish posted:

You know what else is terrible?


elon musk

i hear he beats his girlfriends and then forces NDAs on them

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



College Slice

infernal machines posted:

i hear he beats his girlfriends and then forces NDAs on them

yeesh

these preorder requirements are getting ridiculous

TerminalRaptor
Nov 6, 2012

Mostly Harmless


exploded mummy posted:

the company name shall be spacexx

legit frustrated someone beat me to posting that

Ciaphas posted:

can we keep youtube or whatever less poo poo alternative is around at the time, please

opiate for the masses etc...

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> propitiate the dread god arengee




Pillbug

i'm a junkie, it's a fair cop

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

FAAAATHEEER
THE SLEEEEEEPER HAS *snooze*


Ciaphas posted:

a fair cop
no such thing

Ciaphas
Nov 20, 2005

> propitiate the dread god arengee




Pillbug

also a fair point

President Beep
Apr 29, 2009


Grahms ah dint fell so gud!


paul blart, fair cop

Rex-Goliath
Nov 12, 2016



ADINSX posted:

It must drive tech companies nuts how much they spend on developers,

As a consultant who regularly interacts with the CTOs of
major companies- driving them nuts is an understatement.

Ciaphas posted:

can we keep youtube or whatever less poo poo alternative is around at the time, please

take a page from the japanese playbook: youtube stays up but the ad network goes down

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004

The internet is the universal sewer.


Rex-Goliath posted:

As a consultant who regularly interacts with the CTOs of
major companies- driving them nuts is an understatement.

i would like to subscribe to your newsletter

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Here I post;
I can do no other.


CommunistPancake posted:

if you're watching youtube videos that have lovely comments you need to find better videos

a friend of a friend was featured in a perfectly nice restaurant-review video a while back. the comments were full of creepy horny poo poo because this friend of a friend is female

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Pillbug

Rex-Goliath posted:

As a consultant who regularly interacts with the CTOs of
major companies- driving them nuts is an understatement.

and yet almost every single platform and application is a buggy piece of poo poo

Rex-Goliath
Nov 12, 2016



Stringent posted:

i would like to subscribe to your newsletter

not much to say besides i work with a niche tech and any time we're beginning a conversation with a new potential customer the cto's first loving question is always how much it will cost to hire and retain employees for the system. then throughout our entire engagement their primary concern is almost always how much we can train the cheapest resource available. it's not a coincidence that every company has staffed our proof of concept projects with interns, fresh grads, and contractors

Rex-Goliath
Nov 12, 2016



TK-42-1 posted:

and yet almost every single platform and application is a buggy piece of poo poo

this too- is not a coincidence

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005

[A]sk me about OS/2 WARP


Lutha Mahtin posted:

a friend of a friend was featured in a perfectly nice restaurant-review video a while back. the comments were full of creepy horny poo poo because this friend of a friend is female

tamitha skov, phd is a solar researcher that can barely post her weekly solar weather reports because the comments are full of thirsty old hams

Rex-Goliath
Nov 12, 2016



Rex-Goliath posted:

not much to say besides i work with a niche tech and any time we're beginning a conversation with a new potential customer the cto's first loving question is always how much it will cost to hire and retain employees for the system. then throughout our entire engagement their primary concern is almost always how much we can train the cheapest resource available. it's not a coincidence that every company has staffed our proof of concept projects with interns, fresh grads, and contractors

like, 'well our tech really isn't THAT hard to learn if you're willing to find competent workers and take a month or two to train them up you should have no problem' isn't at all an acceptable answer. if you aren't offering them a fresh vein of ripe h-2bs to exploit then it's going to be one hell of a hard sell

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte


Hot Rope Guy

Jonny 290 posted:

thirsty old hams

seems redundant

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



College Slice

Jonny 290 posted:

thirsty old hams

mods please

please make this kelly comic label quality name true

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Pillbug

ADINSX posted:

I think it has more to do with how insanely easy programmers have it. We get paid an insane amount of money compared to the difficulty of our job, and (at least in larger cities) can jump around jobs with relative ease.

I joined IWW in part because I think we'll see the end of that within our life time. It must drive tech companies nuts how much they spend on developers, don't think those Teach Kids To Code initiatives are anything but an attempt to correct this (but regardless I support them, I think programming is a great skill to learn)

If there was any hint of interest in forming a union at a dev shop I'd be all over it, and someday there will be.

well if we keep creating new ever more esoteric javascript frameworks faster than the little shits can learn them oh my god I think I just figured out why npm exists

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000



I was watching the unveiling of Audi’s first all electric vehicle and one of the things that they kept bringing up was that Audi has over 100 years of experience in building cars and has a solid supply chain. There was an underlying theme of “we have the experience, institutional knowledge, and professional management to actually deliver on what we’re saying”

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!



Pillbug

Mr. Apollo posted:

I was watching the unveiling of Audi’s first all electric vehicle and one of the things that they kept bringing up was that Audi has over 100 years of experience in building cars and has a solid supply chain. There was an underlying theme of “we have the experience, institutional knowledge, and professional management to actually deliver on what we’re saying”

it only took 15 years for everyone to forget the Audi 5000

PCjr sidecar
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme



Mr. Apollo posted:

I was watching the unveiling of Audi’s first all electric vehicle and one of the things that they kept bringing up was that Audi has over 100 years of experience in building cars and has a solid supply chain. There was an underlying theme of “we have the experience, institutional knowledge, and professional management to actually deliver on what we’re saying”

also, really sorry about the diesel thing, really

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012





Gravy Boat 2k

Mr. Apollo posted:

I was watching the unveiling of Audi’s first all electric vehicle and one of the things that they kept bringing up was that Audi has over 100 years of experience in building cars and has a solid supply chain. There was an underlying theme of “we have the experience, institutional knowledge, and professional management to actually deliver on what we’re saying”

all of the traditional manufacturers' marketing departments, looking at tesla:

https://i.imgur.com/RSwnLQM.mp4

like you wouldn't think that "we can get all the parts we need to build our cars, and put them together properly, and also get them shipped to you reasonably quickly" would be a very powerful argument but, well, here we are

Triglav
Jun 2, 2007

IT IS HARAAM TO SEND SMILEY FACES THROUGH THE INTERNET


Qwijib0 posted:

at this point shouldn't all the drama be baked into the price by now?

Who's the investor that sees this and is "ok, now's the time to get out, this musk fella I don't know"

no investor reacts in 3 microseconds

it's all bots doing sentiment analysis on the news ticker, bots reacting to the bots, bots repricing their derivatives against the bots reacting on the underlying, and bots repricing the underlying in response to the bots repricing the derivatives, while market making bots remove liquidity due to uncertainty over the next ten milliseconds and unintentionally increase volatility further

iospace posted:

The stock market reflects one thing and one thing only: a company's ability to pay dividends. Nothing more, nothing less. AT&T has taken out loans to be able to pay dividends, otherwise its stock would crater (despite being profitable as a company), because a company's public perception lives and dies on the stock market because...

You loving guessed it!


ah, so teslas going down because after a few years people finally realized they dont pay dividends

incels interlinked posted:

most stocks don't pay dividends, and may never pay a dividend. paying a dividend is basically a tax obligation for the recipient (and not deductible by the payer) and an admission by the company that they don't know what else to do with the money other than return some of it to shareholders. its just moving money around and provides an alternative from selling the underlying stock for cash

companies like apple issue bonds to pay dividends instead of repatriating the cash held overseas because again, dividends are not deductible, but interest payments are, and interest rates are hilariously low, so they can issue debt at a few % interest versus paying taxes at 20%+
buybacks are the current way of doing capital return. and even for ancient companies that have been doing a dividend forever, buying back shares increases the dividend by proxy: disburse the same amount of cash to fewer shares = raised dividend

Jonah Galtberg
Feb 11, 2009

Speak to me
of heroin and speed
Of genocide and suicide
of syphilis and greed





"sentiment analysis" is one hell of a phrase

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem

i wonder if a company could issue a press release that was 100% truthful with the facts, but phrased things in such a way that all the analysis bots would guess wrong

(the answer is almost certainly "yes", but since you'd be loving with rich people's money it probably wouldn't end well for you)

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005


people overestimate how much bot sentiment analysis is being done in the markets. mostly because people overestimate how sophisticated the bots are (or at least the type of sophistication going into them).

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.


Pillbug

I know a guy who works at a geo info startup and their largest success is forecasting earnings calls by taking pictures of parking lots the day of but ahead of the call itself

incels interlinked
Oct 30, 2003



Lipstick Apathy

Triglav posted:


buybacks are the current way of doing capital return. and even for ancient companies that have been doing a dividend forever, buying back shares increases the dividend by proxy: disburse the same amount of cash to fewer shares = raised dividend

yep

quote:

Companies announced $433.6 billion in share repurchases during the period, nearly doubling the previous record of $242.1 billion in the first quarter, according to market research firm TrimTabs.

its a big part of why the stock market is so high right now. companies would rather issue bonds to buy back their own stock than actually invest in anything or, you know, pay their employees more

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 9, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Rex-Goliath posted:

like, 'well our tech really isn't THAT hard to learn if you're willing to find competent workers and take a month or two to train them up you should have no problem' isn't at all an acceptable answer. if you aren't offering them a fresh vein of ripe h-2bs to exploit then it's going to be one hell of a hard sell

There's some sort of mental disease about IT/tech management that causes them to start huffing fumes from the accountants and believe that people are all spheres of uniform density and can be interchanged with zero consequence.

like literally the idea of our cio was/is "fire contractors , replace with grads" because we spend too much money on contractors, but the reason we spend so much money is 1) experienced contractors cost money and 2)they have spent years refusing to hire permanent staff to reduce costs and numbers of people on the books so there is very little long term knowledge in permanent staff and the idea that you can just use fresh graduates as a replacement is laughable and will tank the ability to do anything. not to mention the 6 month lead time to get anyone new to learn our hosed up processes. The same happens with offshoring.

idk it's like musk and manufacturing: fail to understand the problem, ignore input from people who do understand it because it conflicts with your view, believe your own hype about the solution (because you must be smart if you're the cio/ceo right)and then blame someone else for the fact it hasn't fixed the issue

my dad worked for IBM in the 70s though and he says it's the same poo poo he used to deal with so in summary: people are the problem

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Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


College Slice

Jabor posted:

i wonder if a company could issue a press release that was 100% truthful with the facts, but phrased things in such a way that all the analysis bots would guess wrong

(the answer is almost certainly "yes", but since you'd be loving with rich people's money it probably wouldn't end well for you)

a giant capcha-ed "it is Opposite Day so the the following is not true" at the top then "we have filed for bankruptcy protection..."

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