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sigh. okay, explain to me how that basic lesson in being a cheerful and kind person written by a beloved children's author is actually bad
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Jun 4, 2023 17:42
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Someone on Reddit posted this one from 5 years back
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Jun 4, 2023 18:08
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he could have spent the rest of his life making cars for rich liberals but now his primary market is crypto bros and sex trickers. because he likes it that way
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Jun 4, 2023 18:10
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Sagebrush posted:sigh. okay, explain to me how that basic lesson in being a cheerful and kind person written by a beloved children's author is actually bad idk maybe because it suggests that you should believe that people who seem ugly to you also have a lovely personality?
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Jun 4, 2023 18:13
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4lokos basilisk posted:idk maybe because it suggests that you should believe that people who seem ugly to you also have a lovely personality? that is very clearly the exact opposite of the message that is intended. it's saying "even if you are conventionally unattractive, if you are a good person your goodness will shine out and people will find you pleasant and appealing." it is written so that a child can understand. but sure, read into it what you want. whatever Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Jun 4, 2023 18:19
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for example, the illustration under the text where that is written shows a cartoon of a not conventionally attractive person, who the author is nevertheless indicating looks lovely it's both literally textual and there's a handy illustration of the point as well
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Jun 4, 2023 18:26
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"Kind people are always beautiful". Okay so what you're saying is that being ugly... is bad.
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Jun 4, 2023 18:51
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Yeah i think yall are raising more hackles than is warranted at that one and you're also starting to deliberately misinterpret it. chill
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Jun 4, 2023 19:00
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i'll be the first to say that maybe roald dahl didn't always have good opinions
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Jun 4, 2023 19:20
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aardvaard posted:i'll be the first to say that maybe roald dahl didn't always have good opinions
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Jun 4, 2023 19:20
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Sagebrush posted:sigh. okay, explain to me how that basic lesson in being a cheerful and kind person written by a beloved children's author is actually bad it is also a classic use of rhetorical device (amplification) which is technically value-neutral it is also not by a currently beloved children's author
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Jun 4, 2023 19:23
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Kenny Logins posted:this is not a basic lesson in being a cheerful and kind person, it is a lesson to judge people's moral character strictly by how they look You would have to be functionally illiterate to come to that conclusion so the most charitable reading I can give this post is that you're just being a dick.
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Jun 4, 2023 19:26
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Which as a fellow poster I respect so no offense taken.
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Jun 4, 2023 19:27
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love to willfully misinterpret a literal children's book so i can get mad about something on the internet
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Jun 4, 2023 19:29
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Salt Fish posted:You would have to be functionally illiterate to come to that conclusion so the most charitable reading I can give this post is that you're just being a dick. Salt Fish posted:Which as a fellow poster I respect so no offense taken.
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Jun 4, 2023 19:30
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here's the page immediately before, if it helps:
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Jun 4, 2023 19:32
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whatever you do don’t ask Roald Dahl what category the Jews fall under
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Jun 4, 2023 19:33
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fwiw i am conflicted as to the book in question but i like to support quigs when quigs has a good point worth examining i also don't think it's willful misinterpretation to question the apparent appearance-shaming put to paper by a British children's author with a "complicated legacy" to say the least
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Jun 4, 2023 19:35
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Luigi Thirty posted:whatever you do don’t ask Roald Dahl what category the Jews fall under
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Jun 4, 2023 19:35
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Even if there were two equally valid interpretations we should give Sagebrush an automatic opt-in to the superior of them because they are a poster of Good Reputation and Standing.
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Jun 4, 2023 19:38
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Salt Fish posted:Even if there were two equally valid interpretations we should give Sagebrush an automatic opt-in to the superior of them because they are a poster of Good Reputation and Standing.
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Jun 4, 2023 19:40
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aardvaard posted:i'll be the first to say that maybe roald dahl didn't always have good opinions he was monstrous, in the traditional way of his time
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Jun 4, 2023 19:45
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The message here is "if you are kind, you are much more pleasant to be around" and I don't understand why there's a stupid slap fight starting.
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Jun 4, 2023 19:48
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you ever go and just get real loving mad at some poo poo on the internet?
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Jun 4, 2023 19:48
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Twerk from Home posted:The message here is "if you are kind, you are much more pleasant to be around" and I don't understand why there's a stupid slap fight starting.
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Jun 4, 2023 19:50
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telling my kid i won't read him James and the Giant Peach because the long-dead author expressed anti-semitic views. what is anti-semitic, he asks me? oh boy, settle in son, now here's a story an eight year old can sink their teeth into!Kenny Logins posted:i also don't think it's willful misinterpretation to question the apparent appearance-shaming put to paper by a British children's author with a "complicated legacy" to say the least the text literally says that even if you are fat and have a lumpy nose and crooked teeth you are still beautiful as long as you are a good person!! jesus loving christ!! Twerk from Home posted:The message here is "if you are kind, you are much more pleasant to be around" and I don't understand why there's a stupid slap fight starting. some motherfuckers are just always trying to ice skate uphill. Kenny Logins posted:i'll wear "being a dick" but only if it's agreed the "sigh." approach taken by sagebrush is also being a dick. no. i don't think anyone here is being a dick. you're being a weenie and i'm being exasperated Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Jun 4, 2023 |
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Luigi Thirty posted:whatever you do don’t ask Elon Musk what category the Jews fall under
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Jun 4, 2023 20:04
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i have two personalities. the kindest and handsomest person you’ll ever meet, and an ugly twisted sicko.
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Jun 4, 2023 20:09
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it is true that hot people are the most pure of spirit. thank you Mr dahl
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Jun 4, 2023 20:13
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i suppose this is all less infuriating than whatever elon was up to today
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Jun 4, 2023 20:15
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Foo Diddley posted:i suppose this is all less infuriating than whatever elon was up to today according to the account that tweets what he likes it’s the usual “the globalists are trying to turn all businesses woke” stuff today e: and how we must abolish the American Bar Association because they’re going to force all lawyers to advocate for polygamy
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Jun 4, 2023 20:45
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Foo Diddley posted:i suppose this is all less infuriating than whatever elon was up to today Yup https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1665439266170609666
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Twerk from Home posted:The message here is "if you are kind, you are much more pleasant to be around" and I don't understand why there's a stupid slap fight starting. that would be a fine message, but you have to already have that opinion to read it from that text. otherwise, it ends up emphasizing a classic literary trope that bad people are ugly
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Jun 4, 2023 21:04
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why am I a pillbug?
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Jun 4, 2023 21:06
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Salt Fish posted:Okay so what you're saying is that being ugly... is bad. it's good to be ugly
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Sagebrush posted:telling my kid i won't read him James and the Giant Peach because the long-dead author expressed anti-semitic views. what is anti-semitic, he asks me? oh boy, settle in son, now here's a story an eight year old can sink their teeth into! as far as what the text says, i don't think "all good looking people must always be thinking good thoughts" and "all ugly looking people must always be thinking ugly thoughts" is a very smart thing to teach kids. just one dad's opinion. we don't have to agree here if you're exasperated, fair, but in fairness, you asked someone to explain why your picture, posted with nothing besides "hate ages you dramatically", is bad in tyool 2023
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Jun 4, 2023 21:18
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roald dahl died in 1990 which was 10-15 years ago, too me
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Jun 4, 2023 21:21
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also, at least by what comes up on google image search, he was not a very good looking man. by his logic, his thoughts must be ugly, and can safely be discarded
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Jun 4, 2023 21:23
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Foo Diddley posted:i suppose this is all less infuriating than whatever elon was up to today
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Kenny Logins posted:also, at least by what comes up on google image search, he was not a very good looking man. by his logic, his thoughts must be ugly, and can safely be discarded Even at age 7, when I read that book, I understood that beauty was not a physical property of the world like a metric or number but that it was a metaphysical combination of deeds, thoughts, and principles. Clearly, and now painfully, that section is saying the same thing in simpler terms. I mean CLEARLY its saying that.
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