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klafbang
Nov 18, 2009


Clapping Larry

Endless Mike posted:

the guy who runs elektrek is getting two free roadsters because of the referral program

He should paint them both red and have them fight to the death

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Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



College Slice

Endless Mike posted:

the guy who runs elektrek is getting two free roadsters because of the referral program

lol

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012





Gravy Boat 2k

well yeah, electrek is 100% a tesla pr mouthpiece. of course he gets something out of the deal too.

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

it's the journey
not the destination
as we know


Sagebrush posted:

well yeah, electrek is 100% a tesla pr mouthpiece. of course he gets something out of the deal too.

Instead he gets two Teslas though?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

Don't let the little fuckers generation gap you


gee bill, how come you get two homicidal robots?

Trimson Grondag 3
Jul 1, 2007



Clapping Larry

quick reminder that musk looks like this in media that he canít control his image in:



dude is worse than madonna

refleks
Nov 21, 2006


Christ. worlds worst joker cosplay since roger stone

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

Get running
Start pumping your bunions, I'm coming
I'm the dumbest, who flamethrow your function to Funyons
Flame your crew quicker than Trump fucks his youngest
Now face the flame fuckers your fame and fate's done with


https://twitter.com/teslamodel3fan/...604586000023553

not a big deal for daily users, really, but road trips are now more expensive and you still can't take weird side trips for the hell of it because you're stuck to the highways where superchargers exist.

klafbang
Nov 18, 2009


Clapping Larry

Remember the guy who bought a used model x from Tesla but didnít receive it? He still didnít receive it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxSQuGeoug8

klafbang fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2019 around 15:55

Soricidus
Oct 20, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Pillbug

Endless Mike posted:

https://twitter.com/teslamodel3fan/...604586000023553

not a big deal for daily users, really, but road trips are now more expensive and you still can't take weird side trips for the hell of it because you're stuck to the highways where superchargers exist.

the purpose of electric cars is to reduce pollution from city driving. regular charging is expected to be overnight from your domestic power. anyone who buys an electric car expecting it to be cost- or time-effective for long distance journeys is deluded.

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Fun Shoe

Endless Mike posted:

https://twitter.com/teslamodel3fan/...604586000023553

not a big deal for daily users, really, but road trips are now more expensive and you still can't take weird side trips for the hell of it because you're stuck to the highways where superchargers exist.

That's a big deal for all users, because one of the most common things you hear from EV users is the consumable costs (battery charge vs gas) being less than gas cars. If it costs more per mile than a 30 mpg car, which a significant amount of cars meet today, then that major edge is lost.

Soricidus posted:

the purpose of electric cars is to reduce pollution from city driving. regular charging is expected to be overnight from your domestic power. anyone who buys an electric car expecting it to be cost- or time-effective for long distance journeys is deluded.

Arguably yes for the first, point taken on the 2nd and 3rd (and you don't really hear many people talking about long distance trips in their EVs, but I digress). The thing is California has come out and said that no, EVs won't reduce pollution in an applicable manner, carpooling will.

iospace fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2019 around 16:05

Truga
May 4, 2014


Lipstick Apathy

iospace posted:

That's a big deal for all users, because one of the most common things you hear from EV users is the consumable costs (battery charge vs gas) being less than gas cars. If it costs more per mile than a 30 mpg car, which a significant amount of cars meet today, then that major edge is lost.

this only counts for teslas though since i thought only those can even use superchargers?

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007



Fun Shoe

ban cars from city centers

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005



Lipstick Apathy

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Fun Shoe


Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

Get running
Start pumping your bunions, I'm coming
I'm the dumbest, who flamethrow your function to Funyons
Flame your crew quicker than Trump fucks his youngest
Now face the flame fuckers your fame and fate's done with


Soricidus posted:

the purpose of electric cars is to reduce pollution from city driving. regular charging is expected to be overnight from your domestic power. anyone who buys an electric car expecting it to be cost- or time-effective for long distance journeys is deluded.
all those power cords next to street parking spots

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Fun Shoe

Truga posted:

this only counts for teslas though since i thought only those can even use superchargers?

Point, so previous statement amended to Tesla's only, but it is a common refrain among EV folks about the cost of consumables.

Also reminder that supercharging destroys the batteries.

Truga
May 4, 2014


Lipstick Apathy

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017



EVs global pollution and co2 footprint is bound to the local power mix (if you leave out the production branch) it's pretty easy for an EV to run cleaner Re: hydrocarbons and monoxides than certain ICEs, if your power plants are regenerative or nuclear and have state of the art exhaust treatment if they run a combustion cycle.

NOx is a different matter. You can only reliably get rid of NOx if you run a stochiometric homogenous mixture and a 3 way catalyst, which is absolutely limited to the petrol Otto engines. Diesels, stratisfied Ottos, gas turbines, combustion cycle power plants etc are all emitting NOx that can't be easily reduced to N2 just with the exhaust components. That's why you run expensive SCR equipment if you wanna have a clean exhaust from those (NOx accumulator cats are gimmicks)

Far more important than global emissions impact is the local emissions situation for EVs because people are friggin suffocating in metropolitan regions. I remember a saying from my classes on emissions that went like "a 1 hour run through London will leave you with a similar amount of lung bound toxins and carcinogens as half a pack of smokes"

When the EU started enforcing an air pollution measurement and limitation policy, city councils were on fuckin fire when the detailed local values started coming in and things have been on fire ever since, so much we did not only enforce environmental zones that ban all pre euro4 diesels and pre cat Ottos from city centers, but also to the point where we are considering banning all diesel vehicles outright. That's why everyone and their mother in local government is pushing for EV production plans.

I didn't read into what California issued regarding the "evs ain't better" statement, but there's one factor where local emissions can occur in a similar fashion and that's particles. We have gotten really good at stopping particle emissions (the white napkin test from the vee dub old lady commercial is actually legit, even though it's message is bollocks). To the point where the majority of automotive particle emissions comes from other sources like disc brakes, tire wear and the like. Funny enough trains (specially trams) produce ludicrous amounts of particles too since metal on metal is very nasty when it comes to friction.

Combat Theory fucked around with this message at Jan 19, 2019 around 16:40

klafbang
Nov 18, 2009


Clapping Larry

iospace posted:

That's a big deal for all users, because one of the most common things you hear from EV users is the consumable costs (battery charge vs gas) being less than gas cars. If it costs more per mile than a 30 mpg car, which a significant amount of cars meet today, then that major edge is lost.

At least the EVs are still more expensive that the ICEs, you can make up the difference there. Just donít overthink this to the point where you realize this is complete bullshit.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

Don't let the little fuckers generation gap you


design_considerations.wmv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCv_Ha0oWjE

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Fun Shoe

Last night I commuted on my bike in 1.5-2 inches of powder snow. Suck it cars.

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017



iospace posted:

Last night I commuted on my bike in 1.5-2 inches of powder snow. Suck it cars.

Snow is cool and good and I'm all for stopping road salting and deciding road worthiness Mad Max style.

Bicycles get rocket launchers and act as boarding vehicles.

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017



Edit not quote

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

~death to capitalism~
Upgrade your OS



Salad Prong

iospace posted:

Last night I commuted on my bike in 1.5-2 inches of powder snow. Suck it cars.

congratulations on handling a dusting of snow

iospace
Apr 20, 2020




Fun Shoe

fishmech posted:

congratulations on handling a dusting of snow

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

~death to capitalism~
Upgrade your OS



Salad Prong


ok guy who bragged about a dusting of snow

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

Get running
Start pumping your bunions, I'm coming
I'm the dumbest, who flamethrow your function to Funyons
Flame your crew quicker than Trump fucks his youngest
Now face the flame fuckers your fame and fate's done with



this happened because whoever made the physical design of the car clearly intended for it to be a liftback, but elon insisted it have a single pane of glass for the roof and whoops we gotta engineer this into a regular trunk

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.


Combat Theory posted:

EVs global pollution and co2 footprint is bound to the local power mix (if you leave out the production branch) it's pretty easy for an EV to run cleaner Re: hydrocarbons and monoxides than certain ICEs, if your power plants are regenerative or nuclear and have state of the art exhaust treatment if they run a combustion cycle.

NOx is a different matter. You can only reliably get rid of NOx if you run a stochiometric homogenous mixture and a 3 way catalyst, which is absolutely limited to the petrol Otto engines. Diesels, stratisfied Ottos, gas turbines, combustion cycle power plants etc are all emitting NOx that can't be easily reduced to N2 just with the exhaust components. That's why you run expensive SCR equipment if you wanna have a clean exhaust from those (NOx accumulator cats are gimmicks)

Far more important than global emissions impact is the local emissions situation for EVs because people are friggin suffocating in metropolitan regions. I remember a saying from my classes on emissions that went like "a 1 hour run through London will leave you with a similar amount of lung bound toxins and carcinogens as half a pack of smokes"

When the EU started enforcing an air pollution measurement and limitation policy, city councils were on fuckin fire when the detailed local values started coming in and things have been on fire ever since, so much we did not only enforce environmental zones that ban all pre euro4 diesels and pre cat Ottos from city centers, but also to the point where we are considering banning all diesel vehicles outright. That's why everyone and their mother in local government is pushing for EV production plans.

I didn't read into what California issued regarding the "evs ain't better" statement, but there's one factor where local emissions can occur in a similar fashion and that's particles. We have gotten really good at stopping particle emissions (the white napkin test from the vee dub old lady commercial is actually legit, even though it's message is bollocks). To the point where the majority of automotive particle emissions comes from other sources like disc brakes, tire wear and the like. Funny enough trains (specially trams) produce ludicrous amounts of particles too since metal on metal is very nasty when it comes to friction.

On the one side of my house is a river with commercial shipping. On the other is one of the city's traffic arteries, with train tracks behind.

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004



Combat Theory posted:

I didn't read into what California issued regarding the "evs ain't better" statement, but there's one factor where local emissions can occur in a similar fashion and that's particles. We have gotten really good at stopping particle emissions (the white napkin test from the vee dub old lady commercial is actually legit, even though it's message is bollocks). To the point where the majority of automotive particle emissions comes from other sources like disc brakes, tire wear and the like. Funny enough trains (specially trams) produce ludicrous amounts of particles too since metal on metal is very nasty when it comes to friction.

the basic idea is that even if everyone drove an electric vehicle, and california was at 75% of power generation being carbon neutral, they would still need a significant reduction in vehicle miles travelled (like 20%) in order to meet greenhouse gas emission goals. I searched through a bunch of the CARB (california air resources board) reports, but I haven't figured out exactly how much of an impact reducing driving is. this reporter does a bunch of work on transportation in california, and their graph in the article shows that california is majorly loving up: https://cal.streetsblog.org/2018/11...re-not-working/ since everyone just drives more the greenhouse gas emissions are increasing in the transportation sector, even though there's a bunch of electric vehicles and more efficient cars.

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017



Lord Stimperor posted:

On the one side of my house is a river with commercial shipping. On the other is one of the city's traffic arteries, with train tracks behind.

If you take comfort in scientific cluelessness then be reliefed that we really have little understanding of the mechanics of Particle emissions and most of the stuff that we do count as "nasty particles" is coarse enough to be stopped by excessive nose hair and flamboyent mustaches. All hail the 80s baby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbB1qwhKaaE#t=2092s

If you have the time, go watch that Documentary and part 2 in Full. elegant machines... for a more civilized age.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

Don't let the little fuckers generation gap you


there was a recent spat within the local transit authority here when it came to light that there were "serious concerns" about the air quality in our subway tunnels.

we've had the subway for 60 years and somehow it wasn't until 2018 that someone realized all the grey poo poo coating the tunnel walls meant it had at some point been in the air, and yes it was probably carcinogenic as gently caress since it's brake dust and poo poo off the wheels

syscall girl
Nov 6, 2009

by FactsAreUseless


Fun Shoe

FMguru posted:

i had an older coworker who would stay late every day playing windows solitaire

that was not a happy home, im guessing

if they ever left the supply closet someone could discover their terminal and see where they were logging in to adp from

crap nerd
May 24, 2008


Soricidus posted:

the purpose of electric cars is to reduce pollution from city driving.

just take the bus yíall

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

And I'm only saying this because I care.

There are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.



Fun Shoe

infernal machines posted:

there was a recent spat within the local transit authority here when it came to light that there were "serious concerns" about the air quality in our subway tunnels.

we've had the subway for 60 years and somehow it wasn't until 2018 that someone realized all the grey poo poo coating the tunnel walls meant it had at some point been in the air, and yes it was probably carcinogenic as gently caress since it's brake dust and poo poo off the wheels

99 st. clair plz call control *cough wheeze*

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005


infernal machines posted:

there was a recent spat within the local transit authority here when it came to light that there were "serious concerns" about the air quality in our subway tunnels.

we've had the subway for 60 years and somehow it wasn't until 2018 that someone realized all the grey poo poo coating the tunnel walls meant it had at some point been in the air, and yes it was probably carcinogenic as gently caress since it's brake dust and poo poo off the wheels

presumably one of those where the people on top of it enough to realize the issue also realized that it'd jeopardize transport for many people getting too deep into it at what is no doubt (as this is always the case) constant budget shortages and political threats

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

Don't let the little fuckers generation gap you


it's that, but then someone in the ATU decided that the fact that you could literally see the air in the tunnels during humid summer days meant maybe there might be some concerns

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

where we're going, we know
whose boots to lick


infernal machines posted:

there was a recent spat within the local transit authority here when it came to light that there were "serious concerns" about the air quality in our subway tunnels.

we've had the subway for 60 years and somehow it wasn't until 2018 that someone realized all the grey poo poo coating the tunnel walls meant it had at some point been in the air, and yes it was probably carcinogenic as gently caress since it's brake dust and poo poo off the wheels

as if the air above, filled with diesel particulates, is any better

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Here I post;
I can do no other.


infernal machines posted:

there was a recent spat within the local transit authority here when it came to light that there were "serious concerns" about the air quality in our subway tunnels.

we've had the subway for 60 years and somehow it wasn't until 2018 that someone realized all the grey poo poo coating the tunnel walls meant it had at some point been in the air, and yes it was probably carcinogenic as gently caress since it's brake dust and poo poo off the wheels

fun fact most of the particulate-matter air pollution created by cars (e.g. PM 2.5, PM 10) has very little relation to what type of fuel the car uses. most of it comes from wear on the tires, brakes, and road, and from the car kicking up dust from the road. so electric vehicles create the same amount of asthma as gas ones do (from this pollution category, at least)

Lutha Mahtin fucked around with this message at Jan 20, 2019 around 00:24

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duomo
Oct 9, 2007


Soiled Meat

infernal machines posted:

there was a recent spat within the local transit authority here when it came to light that there were "serious concerns" about the air quality in our subway tunnels.

we've had the subway for 60 years and somehow it wasn't until 2018 that someone realized all the grey poo poo coating the tunnel walls meant it had at some point been in the air, and yes it was probably carcinogenic as gently caress since it's brake dust and poo poo off the wheels

gotta stick to montreal and their subwayís wooden brake shoes

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