|
Nfcknblvbl posted:don't we have a somewhat decent-ish immigration policy to battle this though? Yes, but when they talk about low birth rates, they mean white people only. https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2022/05/23/how-replacement-theory-moved-from-the-fringes-to-the-mainstream
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 15:54
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 24, 2024 20:36 |
|
|
yeah note "replacement rate" prominently on the graph. it's a dogwhistle
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 15:55
|
|
|
"my white privilege  "
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 15:56
|
|
|
Nfcknblvbl posted:don't we have a somewhat decent-ish immigration policy to battle this though? in what universe do you see a white South African billionaire considering mass immigration a decent alternative to replacement
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 15:56
|
|
|
there are almost no discussions about birthrate that aren't directly adjacent to eugenics, trafficking and a bunch of other extremely ill poo poo
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 15:59
|
|
|
qirex posted:there are almost no discussions about birthrate that aren't directly adjacent to eugenics, trafficking and a bunch of other extremely ill poo poo Also: usually quickly followed by: "...and that's why women belong in the home!"
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:02
|
|
|
i'm still having to adjust to the fact that this whole white replacement theory thing is mainstream now, as if that's a problem in the slightest
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:02
|
|
|
Nfcknblvbl posted:don't we have a somewhat decent-ish immigration policy to battle this though? legal immigration is still less than half of what it was in 2016.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:06
|
|
|
Mr. Nice! posted:legal immigration is still less than half of what it was in 2016. and our republicans (and old dog dems) would like to keep it this way. it's a heck of a lot easier to suppress illegal immigrants with threats to deport them so they don't complain about harsh working conditions and bad pay.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:08
|
|
|
Nfcknblvbl posted:don't we have a somewhat decent-ish immigration policy to battle this though? he's been insisting for years that declining birthrates are going to destroy all of humanity, worldwide https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/882939670895755264 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1283218156815699969 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1415348519381217281 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1523045544536723456
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:11
|
|
|
i didn't understand why elon kept posting about birth rates, but the racism explanation makes sense. people having less kids is literally not a problem at all and objectively great for the future of humanity. but if you hate poc then it's scary.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:13
|
|
|
US population fifty years ago: 209.9 million Now: 329.5 million hmmmmmmm
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:13
|
|
|
here's your reminder that the richest, smartest man in the world managed to procreate at least 7 times and doesn't support any of his children
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:14
|
|
|
we can watch japan as an analog for that. their immigration policy basically is nonexistent so we can see this all play out 50 years before it becomes a problem anywhere else. i think their population growth will tick back up a bit after the boomers all die off.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:15
|
|
|
The USA has public policy that is actively hostile to the very notion of having children If any of these weirdos was serious they'd be advocating for subsidies for kids (like the child tax credit but way more robust), but maybe there's just no way to say publicly that they only want it for white people. yet Like those quiverful people get tons of community money from the church, no?
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:17
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:he's been insisting for years that declining birthrates are going to destroy all of humanity, worldwide absolutely staggering how loving dumb this guy is
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:20
|
|
|
Beeftweeter posted:yeah note "replacement rate" prominently on the graph. it's a dogwhistle
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:22
|
|
|
japan's real problem is population distribution, not the sheer number of people [which is also a problem but moving more slowly]. most people under 60 move to a major city which undercuts availability of services for the older people who remain in smaller communities. you can't staff a hospital if nobody who isn't retired lives nearby
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:23
|
|
|
mystes posted:Technically I think "replacement rate" is a standard term but I guess that doesn't mean Elon can't be intentionally tweeting it as a dogwhistle it is, and that's probably why it's actually in quotations. i imagine WSJ was probably trying to avoid the implication by doing that but imo it just draws attention to it and in common vernacular "replacement rate" doesn't mean what it actually does
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:24
|
|
|
8 billion people on the planet WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF PEOPLE!!!!
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:25
|
|
|
if the biggest risk to humanity is that we all decided to die out because we just can't be bothered then it might be for the best
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:27
|
|
|
qirex posted:japan's real problem is population distribution, not the sheer number of people [which is also a problem but moving more slowly]. most people under 60 move to a major city which undercuts availability of services for the older people who remain in smaller communities. you can't staff a hospital if nobody who isn't retired lives nearby And it's not like rural people in the us necessarily have great availability of medical care now either (and it's not going to get better) However I guess either way "depopulation" itself isn't necessarily such a huge problem for a capitalist country that's okay just telling old people to gently caress off and die when there aren't enough working age people to support them which makes it kind of dumb that chuds are so obsessed with it (but racism of course) mystes fucked around with this message at 16:31 on May 24, 2022 |
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:28
|
|
|
mystes posted:To the extent that the US doesn't have the the same level of problem of rural depopulation as Japan I'm not it's a good thing either? If rather than everyone moving to the cities because otherwise they can't get an jobs except lovely low-pay menial work we've somehow created a situation where people can't get good jobs in rural areas but they still can't/won't move to cities I'm not sure it's better. not to mention that being a carer is exactly the sort of low paid work that people are trying to get away from. the real solution is to pay people well for important jobs that need doing but that will probably require people to pay some taxes so i guess it's impossible to solve
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:32
|
|
|
it's racism. it's always racism. as far as I know every discussion in japan about immigration begins and ends with "we must preserve our unique culture"
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:33
|
|
|
mystes posted:Technically I think "replacement rate" is just a standard term for the rate that would be required to not have any change but I guess that doesn't mean Elon can't be intentionally tweeting it as a dogwhistle yes, as a technical term it has that meaning, but a lot of the right-wing media ecosystem has been talking about the racist "great replacement theory" since the shooting in Buffalo a couple weeks back, and it is entirely in keeping with Musk's recent posting for this to be a deliberate dogwhistle to right-wingers e: also, I don't think I'm climbing out on a limb to say that the racist billionaire who had a statistically-improbable 6 boys in a row, followed by kid #7 being a girl who he has nothing to do with and was kept secret until the baby started crying in the middle of grimes' interview with Vanity Fair... is not discussing matters of breeding and fertility rates in good faith Blotto_Otter fucked around with this message at 16:39 on May 24, 2022 |
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:33
|
|
|
“unsustainable”, for the “last fifty years” lol
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:36
|
|
|
elon dropping eugenicist takes is a sign there’s more bad news coming when he starts talking about how apartheid was good, actually we’ll know poo poo is about to go down
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:40
|
|
|
in a well actually posted:elon dropping eugenicist takes is a sign there’s more bad news coming waiting for the docuseries starring Brent Spiner
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:41
|
|
|
qirex posted:it's racism. it's always racism. as far as I know every discussion in japan about immigration begins and ends with "we must preserve our unique culture" The US is also racist as gently caress but luckily we aren't quite that stupid yet so e.g. we have lots of middle eastern immigrants working as doctors in rural areas instead of having no medical care. I'm sure white supremacists don't actually care about the possible negative consequences of restricting immigration though. mystes fucked around with this message at 16:46 on May 24, 2022 |
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:42
|
|
|
f scott fitzgerald nailed this kind of rich white guy racial panic bullshit almost a century agotom buchanan posted:Have you read ‘The Rise of the Colored Empires’ by this man Goddard?… Well, it’s a fine book, and everybody ought to read it. The idea is if we don’t look out the white race will be — will be utterly submerged. It’s all scientific stuff; it’s been proved…This fellow has worked out the whole thing. It’s up to us, who are the dominant race, to watch out or those other races will have control of things…The idea is that we’re Nordics. I am, and you are, and we’ve produced all the things that go to make civilization — oh, science and art, and all that. Do you see?
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 16:47
|
|
|
FMguru posted:f scott fitzgerald nailed this kind of rich white guy racial panic bullshit almost a century ago *squints real hard* buchanan is an anglicization of the finnish “pukanen” and therefore nordic qed 
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 17:04
|
|
|
Beeftweeter posted:serious post: i am not having children because the future they would grow up in is going to be legit loving horrible regardless of social progress or lack thereof. we just have a dog and (thankfully?) he'll be dead in 10 years I just like sleeping past 9am on the weekends and actually enjoying travel.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 17:05
|
|
|
Shifty Pony posted:I maintain that Honda has found a pretty good balance between "must have a screen", "screens let you do a lot more functions-wise", and "actual buttons are best for driving safety". I don't need to awkwardly reach over and play with a screen to scroll through music and poo poo. It rocked. CommieGIR posted:Yelchinposting FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 17:14 on May 24, 2022 |
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 17:12
|
|
|
CommieGIR posted:Yes, but when they talk about low birth rates, they mean white people only. https://twitter.com/PadmaLakshmi/status/1526205871646248961
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 17:26
|
|
|
mrmcd posted:I just like sleeping past 9am on the weekends and actually enjoying travel. yeah it owns. i choose my own hours, my wife is at work now and our dog is lazy as gently caress too so he generally doesn't wake up unless we do, lol that said my wife does baby him to the extent that his name is literally baby (아기, "eggy"). sometimes we get weird looks when we bring him along shopping or whatever but it's becoming increasingly common around here (i guess that makes us influencers, gently caress) and idgaf, so whatever FilthyImp posted:I loving lived the iDrive system in the BMW i3. Pretty much everything had a physical button, the screen bits like nav, settings, etc were controlled by a jog dial with a touch sensitive top so you could write letters out. the last car i had was an audi s3 and the MMI thing was like this, it was actually pretty great and had a ton of physical buttons and a secondary screen where the speedometer is like i said before though, most other cars are designed by car designers. teslas are not
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 17:26
|
|
|
elon likes to pretend it's just worrying about a shortage of young people to do the manual labor and take care of old people but he's also promised that by 2023, he'll be building autonomous humanoid robots capable of replacing human laborers completely, so there's no way he could possibly be worrying about something like that so that just leaves racism
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 17:27
|
|
|
mystes posted:I'm sure white supremacists don't actually care about the possible negative consequences of restricting immigration though.
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 17:39
|
|
|
Whoops looks like if you are weird racist revanchists and actually prevent immigrants from coming to your country the cheap labor pool dries up and the proles start getting scary ideas
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 17:39
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:he's also promised that by 2023, he'll be building autonomous humanoid robots capable of replacing human laborers completely, so there's no way he could possibly be worrying about something like that hm. perhaps this is neuralink's purpose, and that tesla "robot" was a test run
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 17:42
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 24, 2024 20:36 |
|
|
Beeftweeter posted:hm. perhaps this is neuralink's purpose, and that tesla "robot" was a test run a monkey with a weeping head wound that died on stage would certainly be a better metaphor for elon musk's product strategy than a dancer in a spandex suit
|
|
#
?
May 24, 2022 17:45
|
|