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leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

quote:

Legal experts have found the investor call's departure from the offering documents strange. As the attorney Tom Gorman, a partner at Dorsey & Whitney LLP who specializes in securities-fraud cases, told Business Insider: "If you go out to people and say you're going to use the money for something and then you use it for something else, that's a big no-no."

That is why, he said, "this deal looks weird."

What Gorman said was even weirder was that a company of Tesla's size and resources would have a discrepancy like this. Investors frequently bring charges against companies that spend money on purposes outside what executives stated, but usually those companies are much smaller than Tesla's $50 billion market cap.

"If it was some microcap company created out of a reverse merger, you'd say 'probably a fraud,' but that doesn't make sense for a company like Tesla," Gorman said. "You're asking to get sued into oblivion."

He added: "There must be some logical reason for this. I can't imagine what that is, but it's just silly."

you must be explaining it wrong, it can't be that stupid

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StabbinHobo
Oct 18, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

i thought the clathrate gun scenario was much more unlikely/minor than they initially thought because that stuff isn't just all sitting on the surface of the ocean floor, waiting to go all at once

yep, it works really well now for detecting people who don't know what they're talking about

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

leftist heap posted:

you must be explaining it wrong, it can't be that stupid

hook it to my veins

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009


https://twitter.com/kifleswing/status/1130875798020169728

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club



Isn't FuckJerry running Musk's personal twitter right now? I wonder if the Tesla twitter is also gonna be handled the same way but with this guy as the figurehead.

aardvaard
Mar 4, 2013

you belong in the bog of eternal stench

how much do you think he did that to try to get the focus away from how absolutely hosed the company is

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

aardvaard posted:

how much do you think he did that to try to get the focus away from how absolutely hosed the company is

literally everything he does or says is to this purpose

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

CommieGIR posted:

:colbert: Nuclear is the only way forward if we actually want to beat ACC

Pumped Hydro is just another mess, since the US can't keep up with basic infrastructure, yet you expect them to maintain a bunch of dams for energy reservoirs?

Nuclear cars will be amazing no matter what so I support this.

Can we get Tesla to mass produce the Nucleon?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

endlessmonotony posted:

Nuclear cars will be amazing no matter what so I support this.

Can we get Tesla to mass produce the Nucleon?

Hell yes. Head on collisions will be spectacular.

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
just bio-engineer some algae that poops gasoline

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

Rex-Goliath posted:

a runabout!

ILL STEAL IT! NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW! :twisted:

unhand her, elon backslide!

Fiedler
Jun 29, 2002

I, for one, welcome our new mouse overlords.

Jabor posted:

just bio-engineer some algae that poops gasoline

dsyp

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

CommieGIR posted:

:colbert: Nuclear is the only way forward if we actually want to beat ACC

Pumped Hydro is just another mess, since the US can't keep up with basic infrastructure, yet you expect them to maintain a bunch of dams for energy reservoirs?

Not too mention there's not nearly enough sites for it to make a difference. Like... several orders of magnitude too few sites.

Moist von Lipwig
Oct 28, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Tortured By Flan

Jabor posted:

just bio-engineer some algae that poops gasoline

Probably just easier to pull carbon dioxide right from the air and use the fischer-tropsch process to convert it to octane or whatever you want. It's really hard to bioenigeer heavy metal catalysts into organisms. standard heme groups are complicated enough, nevermind when you wanna start loving with transition metals or (lol) lanthanides.

Moist von Lipwig fucked around with this message at 12:26 on May 22, 2019

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

AlbieQuirky posted:

true fact: on my street, there are four teslas and five honda fits (and two priuses and one chevy volt)

hondas fit

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003
https://twitter.com/markbspiegel/status/1131155523674492928

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'



"It’s available as a software update for Tesla owners who purchased Enhanced Autopilot or Full Self-Driving Capability, which, despite the name, does not make the vehicle a self-driving car."

:allears:

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



look at this obvious short fud:

quote:

In practice, we found that Navigate on Autopilot lagged far behind a human driver’s skill set: The feature cut off cars without leaving enough space and even passed other cars in ways that violate state laws, according to several law enforcement representatives CR interviewed for this report. As a result, the driver often had to prevent the system from making poor decisions.

...

The first time a driver disables lane-change confirmation, a warning message pops up that reads, in part, “This does not make your vehicle autonomous.” However, this pop-up does not appear again when the system is in use.

...

“The system has trouble responding to vehicles that approach quickly from behind,” Fisher says. “Because of this, the system will often cut off a vehicle that is going a much faster speed since it doesn’t seem to sense the oncoming car until it’s relatively close.”

Fisher says merging into traffic is another problem. “It is reluctant to merge in heavy traffic, but when it does, it often immediately applies the brakes to create space behind the follow car—this can be a rude surprise to the vehicle you cut off.”

...

Ultimately, even in light traffic, our testers found that the system’s lack of situational awareness made driving less pleasant.

...

David Friedman, vice president of advocacy at Consumer Reports, says that as it currently exists, the automatic lane-change function raises serious safety concerns.

“Tesla is showing what not to do on the path toward self-driving cars: release increasingly automated driving systems that aren’t vetted properly,” he says. “Before selling these systems, automakers should be required to give the public validated evidence of that system’s safety—backed by rigorous simulations, track testing, and the use of safety drivers in real-world conditions.”

...

“This isn’t a convenience at all,” says CR’s Fisher. “Monitoring the system is much harder than just changing lanes yourself. Using the system is like monitoring a kid behind the wheel for the very first time. As any parent knows, it’s far more convenient and less stressful to simply drive yourself.”

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

Shifty Pony posted:

"It’s available as a software update for Tesla owners who purchased Enhanced Autopilot or Full Self-Driving Capability, which, despite the name, does not make the vehicle a self-driving car."

:allears:

https://twitter.com/passthebeano/status/1131157389816750081

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe
lol


sounds like their cars could use lidar

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

leftist heap posted:

lol


sounds like their cars could use lidar

they already use liedar

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
lidar ain't going to fix their terrible loving driving model.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
turns out something with the approximate intelligence of a fruit fly has some difficulty safely operating a motor vehicle in real world condition. who could possibly have foreseen this?

Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.



liedar is a fake nonexistent technology that was made up by the shorts

same w/ above-fruitfly intelligence

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


there is a not very upvoted thread on Tesla reddit about the article. I'm sure everyone will be shocked to know that they think Autopilot is just fine and that any problems are actually a good thing.


Alpha_Tech +Solar and Turo Host• 1h
"I mean we know this right? That's the point.jpg. The NN is still learning and will get better and better until it surpasses us.

Look at the news that came out about Google's AI outperforming doctors in detecting cancer. At first, it was laughably bad. It will only get better."


Suriak• 2h
It’s in its infancy. Of course it does. It needs to learn.


praslee Owner 3LR AWD and Res for YLR AWD• 2h
.....and the child grows on to do wonders


jvisser85 • 1h
We are collectively teaching autopilot how to drive by giving it drivers education.

Hoshi
Jan 20, 2013

:wrongcity:

infernal machines posted:

turns out something with the approximate intelligence of a fruit fly has some difficulty safely operating a motor vehicle in real world condition. who could possibly have foreseen this?

yeah but eLoN kNoWs HoW tO cOdE

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/neilcic/status/1131029009817636864

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

thanks i hate it

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Shifty Pony posted:

there is a not very upvoted thread on Tesla reddit about the article. I'm sure everyone will be shocked to know that they think Autopilot is just fine and that any problems are actually a good thing.


Alpha_Tech +Solar and Turo Host• 1h
"I mean we know this right? That's the point.jpg. The NN is still learning and will get better and better until it surpasses us.

Look at the news that came out about Google's AI outperforming doctors in detecting cancer. At first, it was laughably bad. It will only get better."


Suriak• 2h
It’s in its infancy. Of course it does. It needs to learn.


praslee Owner 3LR AWD and Res for YLR AWD• 2h
.....and the child grows on to do wonders


jvisser85 • 1h
We are collectively teaching autopilot how to drive by giving it drivers education.

lmao. yeah... nn cancer detection is deffo a good comparison. i'm guessing they missed the follow ups on that.

also, what the gently caress to these credulous idiots think nn learning means? it's goddamn optical object recognition you ridiculous dipshits. you can train it to hell and back and it's not going to drive the car any better

Combat Theory
Jul 16, 2017

Moist von Lipwig posted:

Probably just easier to pull carbon dioxide right from the air and use the fischer-tropsch process to convert it to octane or whatever you want. It's really hard to bioenigeer heavy metal catalysts into organisms. standard heme groups are complicated enough, nevermind when you wanna start loving with transition metals or (lol) lanthanides.

It is very difficult to process atmospheric co2 due to the low concentration. Most often you use the exhaust stream of power plants or biogas reactors which is fairly co2 heavy.

There are algae that process the co2 into biomass very effectively which can then directly be pressed into diesel-like fuels or synthesised into biomass to liquid fuels which usually are ultra high quality petrols and diesels.

Due to the small production scale the price for algae based fuels is currently not competitive, which would change if they become a mandatory installation for co2 heavy exhaust treatment on industrial levels. As often the problem isn't the technology but the price point and economic perspective.

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

Shifty Pony posted:


jvisser85 • 1h
We are collectively teaching autopilot how to drive by giving it drivers education by putting our lives and the lives of the general public in danger.

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003
has there been any proof whatsoever that using ap is contributing to ai training or is that just what they tell themselves so they can sleep at night

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Combat Theory posted:

It is very difficult to process atmospheric co2 due to the low concentration. Most often you use the exhaust stream of power plants or biogas reactors which is fairly co2 heavy.

There are algae that process the co2 into biomass very effectively which can then directly be pressed into diesel-like fuels or synthesised into biomass to liquid fuels which usually are ultra high quality petrols and diesels.

Due to the small production scale the price for algae based fuels is currently not competitive, which would change if they become a mandatory installation for co2 heavy exhaust treatment on industrial levels. As often the problem isn't the technology but the price point and economic perspective.

Yup, it's much cheaper to dump batteries in the ocean than dispose of them properly.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

has there been any proof whatsoever that using ap is contributing to ai training or is that just what they tell themselves so they can sleep at night

that's what tesla keeps telling them, and also no

people have been watching the data transfer rates on their home networks for years now and we can say with some certainty that the majority of cars aren't sending dick all back to the mothership.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

This roughly corresponds to my experience riding in my friend's car

It kept doing super weird things on the highway

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

infernal machines posted:

you can train it to hell and back

There will absolutely not be trains, Elon ripped out the rails.

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

Shifty Pony posted:

there is a not very upvoted thread on Tesla reddit about the article. I'm sure everyone will be shocked to know that they think Autopilot is just fine and that any problems are actually a good thing.


Alpha_Tech +Solar and Turo Host• 1h
"I mean we know this right? That's the point.jpg. The NN is still learning and will get better and better until it surpasses us.

Look at the news that came out about Google's AI outperforming doctors in detecting cancer. At first, it was laughably bad. It will only get better."


Suriak• 2h
It’s in its infancy. Of course it does. It needs to learn.


praslee Owner 3LR AWD and Res for YLR AWD• 2h
.....and the child grows on to do wonders


jvisser85 • 1h
We are collectively teaching autopilot how to drive by giving it drivers education.

lmao these people are as thin skinned as bitcoiners



Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Jabor posted:

just bio-engineer some algae that poops gasoline

please dont leak details from cory doctorows new book

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

lmao these people are as thin skinned as bitcoiners



im just imagining someone hauling car batteries to try to fill the battery in the middle of rush hour traffic :allears:

also lol at the paper leaving the plates visible to name and shame

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Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

Agile Vector posted:

im just imagining someone hauling car batteries to try to fill the battery in the middle of rush hour traffic :allears:


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