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FMguru posted:e: the story is now that the "investigator" they hired was a scam artist who took them for a ride lmao. i hope the investigator sues him now too
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elon musk just can't stop libeling people
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evilweasel posted:he holds the title of founder, but is not a "founder". it's part of his title, he was declared to be a "founder" but he was not, in fact, a founder of the company To be fair, he appears to be doing his best to cause Tesla to founder.
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FMguru posted:https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1173713813859971073 it blows me away that all he had to do was just apologize and none of this would have happened but he's genuinely incapable
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'haha it was just a joke' immediately followed by- in the very next paragraph- 'we then hired a PI to investigate this haha just a joke'
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FMguru posted:https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1173713813859971073 Lmao I'm dead like imagine being that hero fraudster being like "ok elon the evidence in locker #353 on airside terminal C at tampa international airport, key will be provided upon receipt of payment" and like a week later en route to some space x launch elon diverts his rear end in a top hat express to TIA, lands, gets a key out of a fedex envelope he took with him, opens the locker, finds a manila envelope tied shut with string, carefully unwraps the string, opens the envelope and finds another envelope inside, tears it open frantically and out falls a postcard from the gift shop not 10 feet behind him, with dickbutt drawn on the back.
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The shady investigator thing is probably the best way they can think of to claim that Elon had reason to believe what he was saying was true despite not being able to provide any evidence whatsoever to support it.
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Rex-Goliath posted:it blows me away that all he had to do was just apologize and none of this would have happened but he's genuinely incapable Trump brain worms.
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FMguru posted:https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/1173713813859971073 i wanna know more about the lawyer who put his name to this obvious perjury
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Sep 17, 2019 15:49
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flakeloaf posted:i wanna know more about the lawyer who put his name to this obvious perjury elon musk isn’t a lawyer
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wait he's defending this pro se?
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no, he has representation. just that the document under discussion, though written by a lawyer, is written in the first person and signed by him so legally they are his statements.
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Sagebrush posted:no, he has representation. just that the document under discussion, though written by a lawyer, is written in the first person and signed by him so legally they are his statements. lawyer still knows it's perjury though, submitting the document raises problems with the whole "legitimate, lawful conduct compatible with a desire to search for the truth" thing should at least slap a sticky note on the front that says "hey judge btw this is bullshit LJC"
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Sep 17, 2019 16:38
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"elon musk says this" is correct and not perjury on the part of the lawyers
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Sep 17, 2019 16:45
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flakeloaf posted:i wanna know more about the lawyer who put his name to this obvious perjury someone in this thread or the other one said that the law firm he hired is one that will take ANY ridiculous case regardless of how minuscule the chance of winning is. which uh maybe he didn't plan it but that is pretty much the muskiest way he could've gone. although i bet the pitchmen for the law firm had him pegged within 5 minutes of the first meeting
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hobbesmaster posted:"elon musk says this" is correct and not perjury on the part of the lawyers ah i thought it was more of a "this is his defense" thing
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maybe you should read it again, it’s even more entertaining if you don’t just skim it
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i didn't read it hte first time because the tweet only linked one picture and, not being logged in, that's all i can see 
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So basically how this is going is that he's going to argue that he was originally not serious about the pedo claims and that later he got evidence before making the actual claims, not knowing that the evidence was actually incorrect. Doesn't libel require some sort of element of "willfull or reckless disregard of the truth" in the US?
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Lutha Mahtin posted:someone in this thread or the other one said that the law firm he hired is one that will take ANY ridiculous case regardless of how minuscule the chance of winning is. which uh maybe he didn't plan it but that is pretty much the muskiest way he could've gone. although i bet the pitchmen for the law firm had him pegged within 5 minutes of the first meeting could also have been the only firm who would take it? although I imagine everyone figures they can bill out the rear end since he will never settle
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flakeloaf posted:lawyer still knows it's perjury though, submitting the document raises problems with the whole "legitimate, lawful conduct compatible with a desire to search for the truth" thing nothing in the declaration directly contradicts an observable fact, the lawyers are fine ethically speaking lawyer's job isn't to tell the court what the lawyer personally thinks, it's to present the client's position as strongly as possible, as long as you are not misstating a fact to the court or presenting an argument with no legal basis. basically, if you think your client is lying, you can let them tell that story: if you know your client is lying, then that's another story. what was in elon's head is always gonna fall into the "thinking" not "knowing" category. Vomik posted:could also have been the only firm who would take it? although I imagine everyone figures they can bill out the rear end since he will never settle no, Quinn's not a bottom-feeder firm. what i basically said is they're the sort of firm you hire if you're taking your long-shot position all the way to a verdict instead of looking to be reasonable and settle, because they will happily litigate every last long shot that might get you that jackpot victory. hell, i'd defend elon, with a sizable retainer, as long as my representation was limited to trying to get him out of the consequences of his previous stupid decisions and not anything that could suggest that i had anything to do with his future stupid decisions
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evilweasel posted:no, Quinn's not a bottom-feeder firm. what i basically said is they're the sort of firm you hire if you're taking your long-shot position all the way to a verdict instead of looking to be reasonable and settle, because they will happily litigate every last long shot that might get you that jackpot victory. In my opinion they're the firm you go with if you want a white shoe law firm, but you have more money than business / financial / common sense. So perfect for Musk.
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evilweasel posted:what was in elon's head is always gonna fall into the "thinking" not "knowing" category. not better than the current thread title but still very good
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hobbesmaster posted:"elon musk says this" is correct and not perjury on the part of the lawyers is this the written version of the “narrative approach” to when your client wants to lie on the stand?
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AlbieQuirky posted:is this the written version of the “narrative approach” to when your client wants to lie on the stand? no, if the lawyers knew he was lying in that declaration they may not file it. but that requires a level of knowledge above common sense and having observed elon, it requires something like him asserting he's never done X when you have video of him doing it
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evilweasel posted:no, if the lawyers knew he was lying in that declaration they may not file it. but that requires a level of knowledge above common sense and having observed elon, it requires something like him asserting he's never done X when you have video of him doing it but how do they handle the fact that it contradicts several of his prior statements? he is in fact asserting that he never meant X when there are several written communications from this that he definitely did mean X.
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it looks like the ring time was the unofficial public short.track, which is a.kilometer shorter than the course the taycan ran
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:it looks like the ring time was the unofficial public short.track, which is a.kilometer shorter than the course the taycan ran lol I saw that report and was wondering a bit about it. that said, given the baseline performance numbers of the tesla, what are its chances at beating the taycan eventually (and you don't care about the state of the internals afterwards obv.)
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Munin posted:lol in an actual meant to be sold production car? almost nil tesla will put together a time attack frankenstein and offer it for sale for exactly the price of the taycan turbo s but then mysteriously only ever ship like 4
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the talent deficit posted:in an actual meant to be sold production car? almost nil And now I have the image of zombie Slim Pickens going "Time Attack Plan RRRRRRRRRRR'?" after James Earl Jones brings him the decode.
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elon did the smart thing and caved https://twitter.com/big_cases/status/1174342335121055750?s=20
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Endless Mike posted:elon did the smart thing and caved i don’t know what this means
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Rex-Goliath posted:i don’t know what this means arbitration
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Midjack posted:arbitration no i don’t understand why going to an arbiter is caving. is the arbiter going to determine the settlement or what? isn’t the whole point of this lawsuit to be public?
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mediation isn't arbitration. it's just, in essence, a guy who tries to convince both sides to settle. nobody has to accept the mediator's recommendation.
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Rex-Goliath posted:no i don’t understand why going to an arbiter is caving. is the arbiter going to determine the settlement or what? isn’t the whole point of this lawsuit to be public? arbitration terms are private iirc so elon can admit he's wrong, cut the dude a check with a non-disparagement clause attached and it will never be part of the public record that he libeled the dude
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qirex posted:arbitration terms are private iirc so elon can admit he's wrong, cut the dude a check with a non-disparagement clause attached and it will never be part of the public record that he libeled the dude any settlement of this litigation will be non-public, even if it's not reached through mediation or arbitration. and yeah, the settlement will contain the clauses you're discussing.
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