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TheFluff
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hobbesmaster posted:

pretty sure almost every car sold here in mn has a block heater. just one more thing the dealer can mark up

same in sweden, at the very least north of stockholm. it's a little less common than it used to be, but on diesels it's pretty much standard everywhere though. parking spots outside apartment buildings usually have a little locked box on a post for each pair of parking spots, inside which you'll find two power outlets with simple timers, so you can pre-set the heater to turn on an hour before you're going to use the car. might be the same in the northern parts of the us, idk.

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Munkeymon posted:

how do they fit the timers in the box?

they just make a bigger box duh

in case you're actually curious, they typically look like this:



the timers are controlled by the black knobs at the bottom and are pretty much just glorified mechanical egg timers.

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i don't have a car, because i don't have a driver's license, because i live in a civilized country where going everywhere by public transportation and/or bicycle is cheap and convenient. lately i've been considering getting the license tho, because sometimes i do go out in the boonies where public transportation is far less convenient, but i don't think i'll ever want to actually own a car. feeling pretty good about that.

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if you implemented the swedish driving license system in the us i'm pretty sure the country would implode

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getting a swedish driver's license typically costs around $1500 and the procedure goes something like this:

1. take a vision test at an optician or at certain driving schools. they test both for correctable vision errors and for field of vision.

2. fill in a health questionnaire from the transportation board. few health problems are outright disqualifying, but if you have diabetes, epilepsy, attention span problems (ADD/ADHD/autism spectrum), heart diseases, alcohol problems, etc you might need to get a doctor to fill in a form regarding how your health might impact your ability to drive safely.

3. attach the questionnaire and the vision test result to your application for a learner's permit and send it to the board of transportation. processing time is typically around 1-2 weeks.

4. if you want to practice driving outside of a licensed driving school, you need a supervisor (usually a parent or guardian) that needs to have held their own license for at least five years, the last three of which must be free from major traffic violations (speeding tickets are ok as long as they're not too serious). the supervisor must then take a 3-hour introductory course. driving alone on your learner's permit without your supervisor is illegal.

5. study theory. the standard course book is about 300 pages. fortunately it's available in translated form in most major languages and a good number of minor ones at your local public library. things that fly under "theory" include general principles of how the car works and maneuvers (e.g. how speed affects braking distance), eco-driving, traffic safety, traffic rules and regulations, and psychological factors.

6. take "risks 101", a three hour long course at a licensed driving school where they tell you that driving while drunk or tired is risky. costs anywhere between $50 and $100 depending on where you take it.

7. take "risks 102" - the fun part. this is mainly a three to four hour long practical hands-on lesson in losing traction. you do it either on a slippery surface or in a specially equipped car with "training wheels" that can be lowered to take weight off the main wheels in order to simulate poor traction. you do brake tests, you do slalom driving between cones ("moose test"), you try to take curves too fast and spin out, etc. it is very intentional that you are supposed to lose control in every situation they expose you to. there's no pass or fail criteria, it's just there to make you get the feel for what losing control is like, in a safe environment.

8. take the theory exam. 70 multiple choice questions, time limit 50 minutes, passing grade is 80%. in 2016, about 52% of all tests taken resulted in a failing grade. if you pass the theory test, you now have two months to pass the practical exam. if you don't pass the practical exam within two months you need to take the theory exam again.

9. time for the practical exam! it takes about 45 minutes; the instructor tells you where to go and you go there. highway and city driving are almost always tested. parallel parking and starting on a slope are commonly tested as well. thinking out loud is encouraged so they understand how you reason about your decisions. you can fail for driving too slow or too passively. you can actually fail for almost any reason, and in fact the passing rate is about 50%. most people need at least two tries. it costs around $120 per attempt.

when you book a time for your practical exam, you can choose if you want an automatic or a manual car. if you do the exam on an automatic, your drivers license is limited to automatics and you are not legally allowed to drive a manual without re-taking the exam in a manual car.

if you pass, congratulations, you have your license. for most people the entire procedure takes a few months, but there are driving schools that offer intensive courses that do it in 2-3 weeks.

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fishmech posted:

Cool sounds exactly like what it cost and took to get a driver's license in my state when I was a kid, except the textbook was shorter.

Also manual cars should be illegal so who cares

america is bad, fishmech.

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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

ours had higher classroom and supervised driving time requirements than sweden as well: 30 and 8 hours, respectively

and this was louisiana in the 90s when they were just getting around to raising the eligible age from 14 to 15

oh yeah I forgot to say, you can get your learner's permit at 16 and your license at 18, similar to everywhere else.

only the risk courses are mandatory as far as lessons go, both practicing driving and studying theory is completely up to you if you want to do yourself or at a driving school. you can take the exams whenever you like. probably contributes a bit to the relatively high fail rates for the exams - self-studying people probably don't know when they're ready.

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evil_bunnY posted:

Yeah. Also mandatory re-testing because holy poo poo old people need to get forcibly removed from the driving population.

Doctors are legally required to report any issues that might impact your ability to drive safely, but there's currently no mandatory re-testing based on age. It's been debated, but statistically speaking the elderly are quite safe drivers here - they tend to know their limitations and unlike in the US they don't need to choose between driving and never leaving their home, so they tend to stop driving volountarily once they start feeling insecure about it. Young men are by far the most dangerous group on the roads, here like everywhere else.

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H.P. Hovercraft posted:

ghost ride

ghost ride

hit a button and let elon drive

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https://futurism.com/pepsi-orbital-billboard-night-sky

quote:

A Russian company called StartRocket says it’s going to launch a cluster of cubesats into space that will act as an “orbital billboard,” projecting enormous advertisements into the night sky like artificial constellations. And its first client, it says, will be PepsiCo — which will use the system to promote a “campaign against stereotypes and unjustified prejudices against gamers” on behalf of an energy drink called Adrenaline Rush.

this is the future that spacex wants

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cross-posting from the c-spam thread (via forums poster gschmidl)

IFO Institute Center for Economic Studies posted:

ifo Schnelldienst: Electric Vehicles are not a Panacea for Climate Change
Apr 17, 2019

Electric vehicles will barely help cut CO2 emissions in Germany over the coming years, as the introduction of electric vehicles does not necessarily lead to a reduction in CO2 emissions from road traffic. Natural gas combustion engines are the ideal technology for transitioning to vehicles powered by hydrogen or “green” methane in the long term.

Considering Germany’s current energy mix and the amount of energy used in battery production, the CO2 emissions of battery-electric vehicles are, in the best case, slightly higher than those of a diesel engine, and are otherwise much higher. This has been confirmed by a new study by Christoph Buchal, professor of physics at the University of Cologne; Hans-Dieter Karl, long-standing ifo energy expert; and Hans-Werner Sinn, former ifo president and professor emeritus at Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität München. The researchers carried out their detailed calculations using the concrete examples of a modern electric car and a modern diesel vehicle. In addition to CO2 emissions from battery production, they looked at alternative energy sources for electricity in order to calculate the impact electric vehicles have on CO2 emissions. They show that even with today’s technology, total emissions from a combustion engine powered by natural gas are already almost one-third lower than those of a diesel engine. “Over the long term, hydrogen-methane technology offers a further advantage: it allows surplus wind and solar power generated during peaks to be stored, and these surpluses will see a sharp increase as the share of this renewable energy grows,” Professor Buchal explains.

In their study, the authors criticize the fact that EU legislation allows electric vehicles to be included in calculations for fleet emissions with a value of “zero” CO2 emissions, as this suggests that electric vehicles do not generate any such emissions. The reality is that, in addition to the CO2 emissions generated in the production of electric vehicles, almost all EU countries generate significant CO2 emissions from charging the vehicles’ batteries using their national energy production mixes. The authors also take a critical view of the discussion about electric cars in Germany, which centers around battery-operated vehicles when other technologies also offer great potential: hydrogen-powered electric vehicles or vehicles with combustion engines powered by green methane, for instance. “Methane technology is ideal for the transition from natural gas vehicles with conventional engines to engines that will one day run on methane from CO2-free energy sources. This being the case, the German federal government should treat all technologies equally and promote hydrogen and methane solutions as well,” emphasizes Professor Sinn.

Full study (PDF, in German)

e: my German is pretty terrible but as far as I can tell from skimming the PDF, this result is in large part because 52% of the the German electrical power generation is fossil in origin. 22.7% comes from lignite which is particularly terrible as far as CO2 emissions go.

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fukushima has been deeply traumatic for the region though, lots of actual problems associated with it, but most of them are, uh, psychosomatic, so to speak. lots of businesses having problems because people avoid goods from fukushima, some cases of outright discrimination against people from there, and of course of plain old psychological problems like depression and anxiety and the associated elevated suicide rate. not saying this is a rational reason to avoid nuclear power, but these issues are real and they are not a problem that technology can solve, much like many other social issues.

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crazy eyes mustafa posted:

haha hell yeah give me a non zero chance of making the place where I live uninhabitable for generations, and please make it susceptible to human loving error

right now it's kinda looking like it's either that or make the entire planet uninhabitable for generations

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmYMzxA_U-c

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Moist von Lipwig posted:

is there even any net gain on EVs if the charging comes from poo poo sources like coal? I could see transmission loss wiping it out entirely or even making it a net negative.

i get that up here in ontario where we run on clean, green nuclear it's better but im not sure ive seen stats on bad power sources.

there was a german study i linked a few pages back (which in fact kinda kicked off this whole nuclear derail) which found that with the german mix of electricity production (~50% comes from fossil fuels) a battery electric vehicle was significantly worse when it came to CO2 emissions than a modern diesel powered vehicle

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you know what has nice electric drivetrains? actual trains.

https://youtu.be/tJNqpcsvlqI

1500 amps yo

this is old and busted 1960's dc stuff tho

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Sagebrush posted:

I mean that is literally what Tesla's marketing materials say, if I recall correctly. Something along the lines of "by purchasing full self-driving capability your car comes with all the hardware that is needed and will receive it in a future software update"

I had an acquaintance who is a mega tesla stan who told me in 2015 that we'd have FULL SELF-DRIVING cars on the road two years from then. I told him it would be 20 years at the earliest and that Elon was talking out his rear end. He got very huffy and I haven't talked to him since.

I wonder how he's doing now

i'm waiting for this guy to lose his toxx. only 7 years to go

then there's also this poo poo (from early 2016)

on the left posted:

You are 100% wrong on this. I have talked with product planners from the Big 3 US Automakers and they all plan on having a high-end self-driving car for 2020, and expect the technology to be throughout their product lines by 2025.

Self-driving cars will be like the iPhone, they will break the logjam and the technology will be everywhere very quickly, leaving people wondering how they ever lived without it.

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evil_bunnY posted:

One of my fav keepsakes is an ancient wheelio widget you roll on a map and it tells you the distance and whatever scale with a watch-like dial and hand.

I have one of those in the boat, it's easier to use for estimating a distance through an archipelago than trying to plot out a route with waypoints on the GPS

we use the gps for basically all navigation ofc but the paper charts are still v nice for planning and a bigger picture look. can't exactly get an A2 sized screen in the boat.

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ryde posted:

I think there's also an underlying assumption that there's a lot of untapped demand for very heavy lift and if you make it reasonably affordable with something like Starship you'll see the demand come. But it could also very well be that no-one is really interested in putting very large objects in space outside of various science projects and thus the demand will remain weak.

i'm pretty dang sure the reason that they're going so hard on starlink is exactly because there isn't any external demand for more launches, so they need to make up a growth market to tell their investors about. merely being a profitable company with a great product and the majority of the market share is absolutely unacceptable in 2019 - number must go up exponentially or you're trash

bazingas in the space thread in sal think cheap satellite launches will be an industrial revolution enabler on par with the steam engine though. i really don't see it, there's not a whole lot of interesting stuff you can do with cheap sats really. it's basically communications, photos/surveying and science. there are also many barriers to entry other than the launch price.

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2018 was the first year since 1990 that had more than 100 launches, but 2019 has only had 75 so far and there are only maybe a dozen more scheduled to definitely launch this year. not a growth market, of course, but spacex must make it appear that it is

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Shipon posted:

ok to be fair the mandatory front plate law is bullshit and they should get rid of it but yeah tesla drivers

I can't help but bite. what on earth is this about? what is the deal with front license plates? is this some kind of American freedoms thing? front license plates are standard just about everywhere I can think of.

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lots of regulatory fuckery around starlink: https://www.plainsite.org/dockets/4...or-the-spacex-/

if you can't just ignore the regulatory framework, just file for permission but then keep spamming amendments to it a rate the legal wranglers can't keep up with and just obstruct your way what you want. innovation!

(below: EPFD = equivalent power flux density)

quote:

The original license granted for the SpaceX NGSO system specified that:

Prior to initiation of service, SpaceX must receive a favorable or
“qualified favorable” finding in accordance with Resolution 85
(WRC-03) with respect to its compliance with applicable
equivalent power flux-density limits in Article 22 of the ITU Radio
Regulations.2


Section 25.146 of the Commission’s rules imposes the same requirement.3

When SpaceX later in 2018 sought authority to place 1,584 of its authorized satellites in a
lower orbit of 550 kilometers and make other changes, it also requested a waiver of this
obligation. SpaceX argued that due to a backlog, the ITU was unlikely to complete its EPFD
compliance review before SpaceX would be ready to begin operations, and adhering to the
condition would therefore delay SpaceX’s ability to initiate service to customers.4

(...)

The SpaceX Modification granted by the International Bureau allowed SpaceX to proceed
with deployment pending an ITU finding regarding compliance with relevant EPFD levels but
specified that such relief was conferred at SpaceX’s own risk, subject to a requirement that
SpaceX modify its operations as necessary if the ultimate ITU finding was unfavorable.8 In
addition, the Bureau instructed SpaceX to cooperate with other NGSO operators to ensure that
the aggregate EPFD limits for protection of GSO networks are met.9

The instant Application appears to assume that no further waiver of the Commission’s
rules is required to allow SpaceX to implement yet more changes to its system without awaiting
ITU review of its EPFD compliance.10 SpaceX certifies that it will comply with the ITU’s EPFD
limits, as required by Section 25.146(a)(2) of the Commission’s rules,11 and the Application
includes a few graphs that purport to demonstrate that the SpaceX system with the proposed
changes will comply with ITU EPFD limits.12 But SpaceX makes no mention of the ITU finding
mandated by Section 25.146(c).

The Commission must require more before it decides whether SpaceX can continue to
deploy satellites based on an ever-evolving system design that has not been evaluated by the ITU
for EPFD compliance. As noted above, SES did not object to the waiver SpaceX requested in the
2018 Modification, but at the time, SES anticipated that any delay before the ITU determined
whether the SpaceX system as it was being deployed conformed to international EPFD limits
would be only a few months. Because of subsequent SpaceX actions, that expectation has proven
to be misplaced.

First, SpaceX has continued to alter its system design, rendering ITU evaluations of prior
configurations moot and requiring the ITU review to begin anew each time. Because SpaceX
keeps moving the goalposts, SES and other GSO operators have no assurance that there will be a
definitive ITU finding any time in the near future on the SpaceX system as it is actually being
operated.

Second, and even more concerning, according to ITU records, SpaceX has submitted a
total of twenty ITU filings – all with an October 7, 2019, registry date – to be evaluated in
connection with its NGSO system. On its face, this suggests that SpaceX is attempting to evade
the single-entry EPFD limits for its satellite network by dividing the network into multiple parts
and asking the ITU to evaluate them separately. Leaving aside the propriety of this approach, the
simultaneous submission of so many filings will drastically slow down the ITU’s review process.
SpaceX complained of delay due to a backlog in originally seeking relief from the regulatory
obligation to obtain an ITU finding prior to commencing operations, but now SpaceX has singlehandedly
created its own twenty-filing backlog. Assuming it takes the ITU two to four months
on average to review each filing, even if it started immediately, the ITU would not complete its
findings regarding the whole set of SpaceX filings until some time between early 2023 and the
middle of 2026.

Yet even that completion schedule may well be optimistic. For example, it assumes the
ITU’s evaluation software remains in place – but at an ITU meeting earlier this year, SpaceX
submitted an extensive set of proposals to alter that software.13 Moreover, if SpaceX continues to
revise its system configuration, the evaluation process would have to start again from square one
following each change.

Such a lengthy delay in determining EPFD compliance would create an untenable
situation for GSO networks and nullify the purpose of the Commission’s rule relying on ITU
assessments to protect GSO operations. Over this years-long time span, SES and other GSO
operators and their customers would have no avenue to determine whether SpaceX’s burgeoning
NGSO constellation was meeting international limits on interfering emissions.

Similarly, this outcome would make it impossible for O3b and other NGSO operators to
meet their obligations to cooperate in order to collectively meet aggregate EPFD limits. As
OneWeb has observed, the absence of ITU review prevents NGSO networks from determining
whether SpaceX is generating EPFD levels that represent more than its proportionate share of the
aggregate cap.14

like, what the gently caress is this bullshit


then it also turns out that the original license was granted on the basis that risk of the starlink sats colliding with other sats was effectively zero (because they could maneuver, see, and the failure rate was totally going to be 1% or less), but in the first tranche the actual failure rate is more like 10-15%, lmao

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Combat Theory posted:

There is a non zero chance one of the countless certificates required to tool up for producing some loving dangerous stuff in Germany is given out by somebody I know and regardless who it is gonna be of those people that thought makes me immensely happy.

Please Musk. Enjoy Germany.

Also good luck making ISO 9001 with your quality control

yes even our automotive overlords get piss stains in their trousers when they know the Reeeeeeeee certification is due. And without 9001 you are the corporate version of Untermensch.

lol

all problems will be disappeared and the process smoothed out, because musk's dick must be sucked: https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-11-13/elon-musk-s-german-factory-started-with-love-letter-from-berlin

quote:

The government in Brandenburg, one of five federal states in the former communist east, also lobbied hard to win over Musk, offering at least 100 million euros in aid. The state’s negotiators kept up the pressure in the past months, touting Brandenburg’s proximity to Berlin, its skilled labor force and an abundance of clean-energy plants, Premier Dietmar Woidke said.

(...)

Fresh from his experience building a factory in China, Musk had a demand that was as clear as it was hard to execute for notoriously bureaucratic Germans: to build the site as swiftly as the one in Shanghai, according to Brandenburg’s economy minister, Joerg Steinbach. That caused considerable consternation among officials still chafing from the new-airport debacle.

nothing matters, there's a legion of people in power just tripping over themselves in their eagerness to give musk money and cover up for him. just give him 100m € and "smooth out" the ever so stifling and bureaucratic regulations that's hurting innovation, nbd

will someone start a loving nuclear war already, gently caress

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lmao if you think the unions can do anything either, if they try there's going to be anti-union legislation introduced stat. this has already started happening in Sweden

dehumanize yourself and face to neoliberalism

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spankmeister posted:

I'm happy that I live in a major population center so that when the bombs fall I get instantly vaporized.

#blessed

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Oh it's dumber than that. The launch permit was given with the condition that the collision risk with other sats was zero. This is actually a normal assumption for satellites with orbital maneuvering capability, for obvious reasons. Normal sats are built to be very reliable though because it's so loving expensive to replace them, but starlink, uh, isn't. Even the first tranche of 60 sats already has something like a 15% failure rate on maneuvering after mere months. There's a whole bunch of other sat operators petitioning the FCC to block further starlink launches for precisely this reason

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the powerwall 2 has some pretty amazing secfucks in it

it exposes a management web gui over wifi. the wifi password is trivial to guess based on the ssid (which is broadcasted, of course) and it's not possible to change it, nor to turn off the wifi

once you connect to wifi you can gently caress with the power metering in software to do all sorts of shenanigans; in fact it seems really easy to destroy/set fire to the unit :pwn:

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Lutha Mahtin posted:

There are some companies in the icebox regions of northern Minnesota that have purpose-built tracks and cold chambers to test cars in extreme cold. A bunch of automakers, from all over the world, go up there every winter to test new models of their cars.

There's a bunch of these places in northern Scandinavia too, small towns that double in population when a few thousand German engineers fly in every winter

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There are people who have done this laser in space data link poo poo already, but the only operational thing I know of is the ESA's, where they have earth observation sats in low orbit send data up to a geostationary relay via laser which is then downlinked to the ground via regular radio. This is fairly recent, like 2016 I think? Not bazinga enough to get excited about at any rate, just boring useful scientific data

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evil_bunnY posted:

It doesn't
at least in sweden running a red light is typically a fine + temporary revocation of license for 1-3 months afaik
e: https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/vagtrafik/Korkort/forlorat-korkort/aterkallat/ point 4

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hobbesmaster posted:

how has that account not be locked/purged/whatever yet

as far as I can tell it's a very consistent social media strategy on the part of treasurer torsella, appeals to millennials and all that. seems like he's skeptical of "tech" in general as well

e: https://www.inquirer.com/business/pennsylvania-treasurer-joe-torsella-tweets-twitter-20190824.html

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it's kind of amazing to see bazingas being all enthusiastic about musk crashing rockets over and over here on earth as some sort of progress, while jpl does powered descents on loving mars with hardware that was impossible to test here on earth and gets it right the first time, twice
like, jpl even gets us better video quality from mars with commodity hardware than musk gets from his loving rockets here on earth, lmao

like, the spaceflight thread has already moved on from perseverance and is going to be back jerking off to starship crashes again in a few days. wow we're ~living in the future~ when there's a falcon 9 floating in the sea, amazing

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is that pipedream guy aware that pneumatic tube systems have been around since the 1850's :thunk:

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meanwhile in south korea they've fired up six new reactors in the last decade and have another four under construction. the older gen II designs they built in the early 2010's took about five years from construction start to commercial operation. the new gen III ones have taken a bit longer to build, about 8 years it seems. it's absolutely feasible to build new nuclear plants, you just can't rely on ~the market~ to solve climate change. not all countries have convenient deserts to fill with solar either.

FMguru posted:

look up the current state of the reactors being built in finland (olkiluoto 3) and the uk (hinckley point c).

both of these - as well as flamanville 3 in france, also massively delayed - are the same french reactor design, EPR, which for some reason has been an absolute trash fire. gen III reactors don't have to be trash fires though, see e.g. the korean APR-1400. the russians also have a whole bunch of various improved gen III/III+ VVER's that they're building all over the place.

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Chalks posted:

if you're building a new nuclear power station it should be because there's no feasible way to generate enough renewable energy and that's not really a thing.

it is absolutely a thing. renewables require a lot of land use, especially if you're going to rely exclusively on them. i live in sweden. we have a lot of hydro power here, as in we've used most of the suitable rivers for it (leaving only four major ones for environmental conservation) and quite a bit of wind. solar is not a thing for anything other than domestic installations, because it's quite common that things are like they were last year and we get situations like single digits of sunlight hours for the entire month of november in most of the country. yes solar still does generate power even when it's cloudy but you'd need such comical amounts of it that it becomes completely impractical. things like batteries and pumped hydro are functionally incapable of mitigating issues like that.

still, we've had almost completely fossil free power generation for like 40 years already, and nuclear has been a decent chunk of it. the mix in 2020 was 45% hydro, 30% nuclear, 17% wind and 4% recycled waste heat of various kinds (about half from various industrial processes and the rest from district heating, which usually burns either trash or wood pellets). recently though we've had to start occasionally importing power from coal plants in germany and poland because we don't have enough HVDC from the north (where the hydro is) to the south of the country (such links would be approaching 2000 km long and even if they existed we'd start to have capacity problems soon), and we've started closing nuclear reactors. we don't have tides here, and wave generators aren't really mature enough for large scale deployment yet. there's more wind generators being built everywhere but increasingly out to sea because especially in the southern parts of the country land use is starting to become an issue. even if we did add absolutely absurd amounts of wind there can still be extended periods of low wind speeds and storage can only take us so far.

so, although nuclear has been essentially dead since a 1980 referendum that resulted in a decision to keep the reactors that existed at the time but not replace them, the politics have shifted to start reconsidering that option again. exploiting those last four untouched rivers is technically an option but destroying huge nature preserves until the next ice age doesn't exactly seem appealing. and this is the situation in one of the lowest population densities in europe. it's really not that weird that very densely populated countries like japan and south korea have as much nuclear as they do. land use will also become even more of an issue as sea levels rise. if you think "just add more solar" then you are suffering from california brain.

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Chalks posted:

sorry, i was being flippant. i do support the idea of nuclear power in principal, it's sure as hell a lot better than fossil fuels and should absolutely be used when there's a shortfall of renewables that can't be plugged in the same timeframe - but the timeframe for getting a new nuclear plant online is decades and i'm not sure there are a lot of situations where that can be said. specifically about new power plants, shutting down existing ones while there are any fossil fuel plants running is criminal.

the nuclear power panic in the 80s that resulted in new plants no longer being constructed is a travesty. the irony is that as a result you've got hundreds of plants designed in the 70s and 80s still running today which are far dirtier and potentially risky than if we'd continued to build newer modern plants throughout that period and could retire the old ones. god knows how much better the climate crisis would be if we'd just continued to build nuclear plants before renewables matured and started shutting down coal power plants earlier.

it can take decades if you start with a new and unproven reactor design and especially if you have previously let reactor development knowledge wither for decades (or just lost all institutional knowledge in a confusing soup of corporate mergers and spinoffs, see westinghouse). all the european examples of hugely delayed new construction reactors are the same french reactor design (EPR) which has had to be significantly reworked while construction has been in progress. i'm not familiar enough with it to say exactly why it's been such a f-35 scale development disaster, but as i mentioned on the previous page modern reactors don't have to be this way. the south koreans are selling their new APR-1400 design on the open market and so far it has pretty consistently taken 8 years from construction start to commercial operation for the units built. these are proven technology, plain old PWR's, no molten salts or supercritical water or gas coolant or whatever, but with incremental improvements. or if you can stomach the russians they too have modernized versions of their VVER's for sale, and the timeline there looks to be a bit shy of 10 years. i'm sure china will have offerings soon as well if they don't already. it's absolutely possible to just buy these things off the shelf, you don't have to go off and develop a whole new design for prestige points.

TheFluff fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Mar 9, 2021

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Russian nuclear safety is... something, to be sure, and especially on the military side - this report was posted in the Cold War thread in TFR the other day and they've, uuuuh, "lost" more than a few submarine reactors, so to speak. As in, the report is from back in the 90's and lists over 50 major Soviet/Russian submarine incidents or accidents. It's some wack rear end poo poo.

But even they, with their godawful track record and while operating a bunch of the fundamentally unsafe RBMK reactors even to this day, they haven't really had any major incidents on the civilian power generation side since '86.

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https://twitter.com/patio11/status/1374515499472613381

saw this and thought "this is exactly the opposite of what tesla is doing"

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ask jpl how they managed to do a powered landing first try on another planet

but no tho, blowing up prototypes is necessary in order how to learn things you see

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spankmeister posted:

I hope the pandemic brought this race to the bottom wrt airline pricing to an end. The train should be significantly cheaper than flying.
Tax flying and subsidize trains imo.

:agreed:

one of the most bizarrely idiotic things about air travel is that it's illegal - by international convention, so basically everywhere in the world - to tax aviation fuel that is used for international flights. this has been the case since 1944.

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