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Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

prisoner of waffles posted:

*sublime voice* and then we turned that powerwall into a structure fire

Powerwall? More like a firewall :smuggo:

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Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Where as in Germany, the only firewall you would get is this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsrTj_e4cs0

Teal posted:

Lithium battery failures are forever going to be worse than gasoline fires and anyone who tells you otherwise is a charlatan willing to lie in disregard of human safety, or doesn't know what the poo poo are they talking about.

The first theoretical difference, with pretty broad practical consequences is that a big jug of gasoline has, on its own, an immediate energetic potential of zilch; it needs oxygen to burn.
A sealed gasoline tank full of nothing but gasoline and gasoline vapor will never just decide to go kablooey, so no amount of engineery fucky wucky will make parked, cooling off gasoline cars catch on gasoline fire spontaneously; the only circumstance that can happen is if there's a leak of gasoline to somewhere where it can actually burn, or if the car catches fire elsewhere and it spreads to the fuel (but the later case isn't even fair to consider because that can happen just as well, if not better, in an all electric car).
The chemical battery, on account of bringing all its reagents along, has all the necessary stuff for fun fun explotimes already built in. You can short the external driver, or you can just short one single cell on the terminals, or you don't even have to do that; it can short internally, within the single vape pen casing, and go up in flames.
Another thing is what it actually gonna be like; whereas a gasoline fire, again, needs oxygen, it will be always slowed down by that. Small leaks from the fuel tank will only lead to small local fires unless the entire fuel tank bursts and we've gotten pretty good at preventing that. Meanwhile the lithium battery and its cells are basically always rigged for a rapid chain reaction; each cell that goes up increases the internal heat that can't really leave the battery, and each flaring out increases the rate at which its neighbors gonna either short on the terminals or internally, as well. It's like a runaway nuclear reactor or an actual explosive compound in slow motion. It's always going to be violent, and never nice.
Finally; and you could mostly deduce this from point 1 and 2; lithium is lot harder to extinguish (in both immediate sense and in the sense you keep the slagged car from igniting again) because it will gladly keep doing its thing as soon as there's enough shorted, still unburned lithium and carbon to go around, no spark or other urging required. Gasoline meanwhile does need oxygen, and once you've doused it in enough water you've diluted it. When a car crashes and happens to be leaking gasoline, you pile sand or dirt or some more sophisticated sorbent under the leak and it'll suck it up and neutralize it; there's nothing this convenient with lithium batteries. They'll always be a bitch to put out, and they'll always be a bitch to keep from burning, until we have specialized emergency dumster trucks that'll devour all of the lithium contaminated slag and take it straight off somewhere for reprocessing.
Yeah, battery fires can be extremely nasty

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Vomik posted:

Tesla: a song of ICE and fires

That is a good post

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

FCKGW posted:

There was a Model Y outside the Fremont factory and LMAO that 3rd row



There isn't even any room for the headrests!

Seems like you might only be able to fit children back there and I don't know if I would want my kids to sit in the sun constantly like that for any extended trips.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

That's pretty rich :allears:

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Karl Sharks posted:

isn't the whole roof glass so it's not just them getting the sun lol

Oh. My bad, I didn't realize that. Thanks for the correction :)

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

infernal machines posted:

seems like you might not want your kids back there because there's no way to get them out in a power out situation short of smashing the window above their heads, but that's just me.

This is also a good point.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

ratbert90 posted:

A windshield took 2.5 months.

:eyepop:
That is just beyond ridiculous.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

CaptainViolence posted:

they've dispatched a volunteer to the nearest pawn shop to find you a stratocaster knockoff, should arrive in 6-8 weeks

:golfclap:
Good one

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

aliens would find that piece of poo poo, figure out the return trajectory, and just launch a kinetic bombardment before going on their way

Nah, aliens would just send it back with a note attached saying "Recycle your garbage yourselves, idiots!"

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kgm85SB_lqg

for the new page, this was entertaining thank you to the goon itt who recommended it originally

Good video :)

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

gschmidl posted:

How do we goad Musk into funding a reboot of Knight Rider where KITT is a Tesla?

The pilot episode is just David Hasselhoff getting run over by the car the first time he comes in contact with it, after which the car drives into a stationary fire truck and catches fire.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Colostomy Bag posted:

Yes. You see they float and tires provide rotation to the main lands.

:golfclap:
That was such a funny tweet

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

baka kaba posted:

love the arc

Perfect

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

gschmidl posted:

Can't wait for Elon to force-push everything because he doesn't understand merge.

Also he probably renamed the git executable to elon.

Considering you could absolutely call Musk a git, that would be strangely appropriate

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

It's almost impressive how a system supposedly aimed at making driving safer is unable to detect a giant semitrailer suddenly blocking the road ahead.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Somehow, I feel like one should not be allowed to sell it as brand new if it has been in an accident already, at least not without mentioning said event?

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Lord Stimperor posted:

Didn't see this posted yet. Here is a user/driver who was testing how Autopilot works. Apparently, the car does recognize a crossing truck as a truck. But at the same time also as an overhead structure that it can pass under. There's screenshots and video.

https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1105996442932559873?s=20

https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1105996443658129408?s=20

https://twitter.com/greentheonly/status/1105996445251977217?s=20

Huh :eyepop:

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

gschmidl posted:

I was just at an event in Barcelona where I had to walk through the big car expo for access. Tesla was there but I didn't see anyone test drive one (also didn't see any fires, explosions, or deaths).

Perhaps they only shipped Teslas without batteries to the show :)

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

gschmidl posted:

Surely they drove themselves!!

Brought via advanced summon to the show floor, only to have their batteries removed and placed in a climate controlled room in a fire and explosion proof basement.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

:lol:
Nice find

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

the analysts are the people rejected from the trading desks.

I tend to think that if someone is giving out business info for free, said info is likely not good enough to charge for.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Teal posted:

more like a thousand puts :haw:

Beautifully put :golfclap:

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

infernal machines posted:

well, at least until they need service

At which point they will be there to stay :D

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Siljmonster posted:

Elon Musk is horking down on a hamburger on the floor of the Tesla factory as we speak

What, is he doing a David Hasslehoff?

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

D1E posted:

Haha this is great I hope Elon has a heart attack.

Why? Better that he just has to slowly go through bankruptcy.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

sword_man.gif posted:

ahahahahahaha look at this guy, he thinks rich people face consequences

One can hope (which is what the post I replied to was about)

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Captain Hotbutt posted:

From a comment on a Teslarati article that essentially picks the best news to act as a salve to the company's losses:

It is ironic that once the stock dropped far enough, it laid a trap for shorts and the lower it's been pushed by them the more they are confident and shorting, but all the while they've been laying the foundation for an epic short squeeze that will shoot it to the moon. :frogsiren: They sit in their echo chamber and chant :frogsiren: that it's going to zero and look at the current price and quarterly profits alone as proof. They ignore or deny everything else; the accomplishments over the last decade, how far ahead the drivetrain and battery technology is, the software innovation, the lack of progress from competitors, enormous customer satisfaction, enormous followings on social media, etc, etc. They bet against green tech and saving our environment, they bet against disruptive innovation, and they bet against a life long disruptive entrepreneur with an insane work ethic, in the name of buying puts for short term profits.

They're inching towards self-awareness with that echo chamber comment.

It has been a while since I read Christensen's books about it, but I don't think that Joe Rader fellow knows what "disruptive innovation" means if he thinks Tesla is doing it.
If they cannot even make a Model 3 profitably, then I doubt the mainstream automobile market has much to worry about.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer
Silly people on Stocktwit are saying Apple, Google or Microsoft are likely to acquire Tesla around the $120-$150 range :D
At the rate this is dropping, we might even see 150 sometime next month.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

evobatman posted:

I tried putting in some hot and heavy stuff, and 6 out of 8 tries have led to incest, so it's apparently a Pornhub user too.

I'm sure that can somehow be explain by "Reddit" anyway.


Also, 185.51 right now?
:allears:

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Combat Theory posted:

:yikes:
At least it's not saying 621

I'm just going to assume that I don't want to know what that is referring to.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

orange sky posted:

especially cause the absolute opposite happens - the car can only drive on water cause the battery is so heavy it keeps it grounded, and the wheels work as they should

man, elon musk is so dumb

Being used to the antics of Chris Roberts makes Elon stand out less, but yeah, he does appear rather... disconnected from reality.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

Reminder, what Musk promised:


I feel like if anything ever went wrong in this hypothetical example, most/all of those passengers would be dead right away.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Megillah Gorilla posted:

And after just a few days of (incredibly small) use:






Can you spot the different in the concrete?

And look at just how straight and level it all is :hurr:

It's a tunnel. How do they mess up making a tunnel that much?!?

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:

it's a boring job

Beautiful

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

hallebarrysoetoro posted:

it may be because i've only seen a few photos but not seeing any fire suppression system, so that is par for the course for tesla to invent a new way to kill someone

also they messed it up because they're stupid as gently caress disruptlords, i am sure they were using like loving quikrete or something and having someone eye the mix because like concrete pump trucks don't have an app to summon them

Ouch, imagine a lithium battery fire in that thing :stonk:

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Cojawfee posted:

I'm imagining an air leak due to using the same quality and massive panel gaps from Tesla and the cabin loses pressure in Elon's vacuum tunnel and all that arrives at the station is corpses.

If anything ever happened during that 200 kph section which caused it to suddenly stop, all those passengers would just go flying.
Even in a train with no safety belts, most passengers would just be thrown into a relatively soft seat less than a meter in front of them. Here, on the other hand, the stupid sideways oriented slick looking benches would mean everyone went flying all the way into the front glass panel.
It's basically death trap concept art.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Powershift posted:

you won't care

I mean, I don't think it will ever happen like in that concept animation. It's just that the more one looks at it the more insane it appears.

Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

shiksa posted:

the only way the hyperloop, as a broad general idea, works in any way is if you assume nothing will ever ever go wrong with it.

if you assume that at any point a vehicle may be stalled or damaged or even operating slower than normally, the entire concept completely breaks down and Elon has, to my knowledge, never detailed how things would go in an emergency scenario.

the hyperloop is truly one of the stupidest loving ideas that anyone has ever spent a significant amount of money on.

I should mail the Queen of England and ask her to knight you for this post.

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Bofast
Feb 21, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Jamsta posted:

So Starlink block 1 launched today (I dont hate on SX too much, just the owner), Musk immediately put out a new Boring video of the janky tunnel now properly levelled, with guides removed and white lines for the car to navigate at speed.

Gotta pump as hard as you can while the positive news is flowing eh?

https://twitter.com/boringcompany/status/1131809805876654080

I got that recommended to me earlier today by the Twitter app and called the idea dumb. Immediately got jumped by several shills talking about how it was totally going to work perfectly once X feature or Y feature was done :D


Powershift posted:

As far as i can tell, in the 4:44, the tunnel moved 1 passenger, the roads moved thousands.

Roads win again!

I think the tunnel part of the video might even just be a render, so it moved a render of 1 car+driver?

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