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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



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monkeytennis posted:

Yeah I think it was the same guy who invented Hesco barriers for military bases. Didn’t he live in Leeds or something.

Hesco barriers are legit brilliant.

They're one of those ideas so simple and obvious you see it and wonder how they weren't invented a hundred years ago.

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



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NoneMoreNegative posted:

chill the lithium batteries are just a stopgap



what could go wrong!?

Why is there a Pikachu on the window? Are pokemon also real in the heady world of 1975?

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



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Just caught part of an episode of MegaFactories on TV. It was from a few years ago and all about Tesla.

It's amazing how obvious what we know now was when looking at footage from back then*. The segment I saw was all about their super advanced production facility with spiffy clean robots and all that.

But all I could see were the total lack of safety barriers, no markings on the freshly painted white floor, and all the staff (including a wandering executive pulling his suitcase along the ground behind him like he was at an airport) not wearing a single piece of PPE.

One shot had a robot pick up a huge flat metal panel from a pile sitting on the floor and spinning around with the edges perfectly at neck height. No safety barriers whatsoever.

In fact, the only safety barriers I saw were a few yellow bollards spaced about 5m apart which you could literally have driven a truck through.

It's even on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC3bUpt4m-A


Here's a shot taken from the opening of the video. It's certainly all shiny and sci fi, but this is not what a car manufacturing plant should look like.






* Good lord, that's a clunky sentence.

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



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I was having a chat with some of our electrical engineers today after an OSHA meeting and the topic of fail safe came up and what it actually means.

Fail. Safe. If it fails, it will do so in a safe way.

Compressor shorts out, fuse blows, everything comes to a stop. It fails safe.

Tesla catches fire and loses power, you can't open the doors without pulling them apart (or have to climb out the boot) and risk being trapped in a burning car. It fails unsafe.


But what's the word for it? We couldn't think of a good one.

Fail deadly? Fail hosed? Fail fail safe?


Because everything about Musk is the opposite of fail safe. Every one of his 'good' ideas just falls flat when you consider what would happen when anything went wrong.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Kommienzuspadt posted:

lmfao only Musk is capable of bragging about a balance sheet that terrible. I guess post no profits for 15 y in a row, what's another quarter

Amazon has ruined a generation of business people.

Amazon went years without making a profit and they're hugely successful. Tesla has gone years without making a profit, therefore they must also be successful.

Let's all just forget that was because Amazon was taking all the mountains of money they were making and investing it in expanding their company.


Now, "not making money" is one of the markers the financial cargo culters are using for defining successful businesses.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Lucky that safety cone's there or that could have gotten serious.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



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Wulfolme posted:

musk has borrowed (hundreds of?) millions with his tesla shares as collateral, his chunk can't just slide into being a private asset

https://twitter.com/MotherCabriniNY/status/1029037777579585541

E: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimcol...d/#15b6c0a27099

yeah like >$650,000,000 borrowed against his tesla shares

Holy poo poo. $650million.

I can't even fathom a world where you can just bullshit your way into that kind of money.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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bring back old gbs posted:

imagine a world where your dad owns a diamond mine....

The only true only path to wealth is to already have it :sigh:

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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treasured8elief posted:

ye

quote:

Police eventually reached Tripp, who said he was at a local casino with his family and would meet with officers.

If you know someone's trying to swat you, running to a casino might be the best chance you have of staying alive.

There's no way a casino would put up with the usual police tactics of shooting everyone they see. And, if they tried, the casino'd loving wreck them in court.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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I would blow Dane Cook posted:

In extremely Serth Afrecan voice: stop squirmeng grahms!

South African is an easy accent to write. Just replace every vowel with the letter 'e'.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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A rave where everyone is listening to their own music on their own headphones.

That would be the most hilarious loving thing in the world. Imagine coming in, not wearing any headphones, and seeing all those idiots flailing around making those grunting noises people make when they're wearing headphones and can't hear themselves.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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This is it. This is the dumbest thing.

Beyond the safety issues, beyond the crappy design. It took goddamn internet of things bullshit to create the dumbest thing in this whole mess,

A key fob which requires internet access to let you in to your car and won't even allow you to start it without Tesla's servers being available :bravo:


infernal machines posted:

but also, remember, tesla can arbitrarily enable or disable any features of your vehicle, including the entire vehicle itself, remotely at will

they've locked people out of the diagnostics for having used them, and if they blacklist your vin you have a $50000 brick

They've gone full Apple.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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infernal machines posted:

also, apparently the keyfob can lose sync with the car if you change the battery

loving amazing

Actually, this sort of poo poo is very much standard with cars.

I couldn't find the one about resyncing my key fob, but this is how you turn off the annoying beeping if you sit in a Ford and don't have your seatbelt plugged in.

And because I know it'll come up - please never drive without your seatbelt on! But, also, it's nice to be able to put my suitcase on the passenger seat without the goddamn alarm going off.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Shear Modulus posted:

that old joke about a mechanical engineer, an electrical engineer, and a computer programmer in a car and their car breaks down except they actually do need to roll all the windows down, turn the car off, turn the car back on, and roll the windows back up

Cars are already like this.

Posting this again:

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Shear Modulus posted:

lol what car is this

Pretty much all Fords made after 2002.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Bobbie Wickham posted:

And it's starting to make the rounds in the news. (Those stories don't have any new information, but the backlash is swelling again.)

I hope they point out the letter is from the 6th of August - 3 weeks ago!


EDIT:

:laffo:

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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LGD posted:

I mean it wouldn't be bad if you did it properly- just replace all those candy dispensers with a huge wall mounted colony, it would be rad as heck

Okay, I want an ant wall now.

Cooler than stupid candy, easier to manage than an aquarium.

Like this map of Rotterdamn ant farm, but bigger:

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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orcinus posted:

Onto other matters...

Let's all remind ourselves of that wonderful episode where Musk was lecturing MacLeod on what Banks actually meant. MacLeod being Banks' friend from high school till death, and Musk being a libertard billionaire.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008858642550943745?s=20

Goddamn it, you can't have unions in a post scarcity society where there is no longer any need to work and people spend their lives idly enjoying themselves and occasionally engaging in brutal centuries long interstellar wars against other post scarcity societies where people spend their lives idly enjoying themselves.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Stefan Prodan posted:

@TeslaMotors Model S autopilot camera misreads 101 sign as 105 speed limit at 87/101 junction San Jose. Reproduced every day this week.


cant wait to take my model S on highway 1 here and just have it slam on the brakes

Just going for a drive and suddenly my car breaks the loving sound barrier.




Overtook a goddamn SR-71 Blackbird, swear to god.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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orcinus posted:

Speaking of central driving position...

Audi E-tron concept has that poo poo.
It moves the seat towards the door when you're exiting / entering, and scoots off to the center when you close the door and the stupid little armrest / safety ramp.

I love the idea of central driving position, but for almost every application which is not race car driver, they end up as a hindrance.

Not to say, they can't look cool:

Dreamliner :allears:








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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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SENTIENT HOUSEMEAT posted:

Replace those trains with individual cars on a Special Trolley and we're on to a winner.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Bert Roberge posted:



I guess a few Teslas with 75kw batteries were limited to 60kw or something but now that's unlocked due to the hurricane.

Don't you just love it when the manufacturer of your car can remotely, and at whim, enable or disable any and every feature in your vehicle?

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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BalloonFish posted:

BMW aren't the only ones by a long shot. It's not even restricted to the days of electronic engine management - in the 1970s Vauxhall fitted every Viva model on sale with the sender and wiring for a temperature gauge, but on the lower-spec ones the wire wasn't plugged in and there was a blanking plate over the hole in the dash. For about £2 in parts and 10 seconds to attach the plug you could get an optional extra that Vauxhall would charge you £10 for.

My Ford Escape did this with the fog lights. Only the more expensive model had fog lights, the standard one had everything all set up, just with a plastic cover over the hole in the dash where the fog light button would be and they didn't cut out the holes in the plastic bumper for the lights. Even the onboard computer had the option turned on.

So I bought a new button from a dealership for $30 and some fog lights off Ebay. Cut out the plastic on the bumper, plugged the lights straight into the wiring loom, because even the connectors were already there. Then I popped the button blank off and pushed in the fog light button.

Nice and easy.


Bert Roberge posted:

I can't wait until one of these things is remotely hacked.

I'm genuinely shocked no one has bothered to find a way to spoof the signal if every Tesla is 'broadcasting an IP address' internet of things style.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Lote posted:

I'm probably reading this incorrectly, but if they have the option of refusal upon delivery, then it counts as a sale when they start shipping?

So, if they ship cars they know are trash and the customers refuse to accept them, it doesn't matter because it looks good on their books?

That explains a lot, actually.

All those stories of people being told to pick up their car only to find the panels are different colours or the paint is all chipped - maybe it wasn't just incredibly lovely quality control :thunk:

And if individual dud cars are being pushed on multiple customers, would that count as multiple sales?

One car, sold over and over, each time counting as a new sale even though no one actually accepts it.

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1041421552300916736


I honestly have no idea what his goal is with this.

Is he trying to hide that there are no parts?

Is he going to loot them for spare parts?

Change the VIN and sell them to new customers?



Also - good luck if you're on the other side of the country. Or not even in the US. This should lead to some hilarious poo poo, no matter what.

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Happy Noodle Boy posted:

they’re like the Speed Racer movie and the person is sprayed with quick set foam and entombed in a cocoon instantly before the crash wraps your in metal and glass.

You mean Demolition Man.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Megillah Gorilla has issued a correction as of 17:34 on May 23, 2019

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Looks like they got one thing right.

Or

Your car can't be unsafe on the road if it's never running in the first place :thunk:

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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How does a new* car get oil on the loving seat?




* car may have already been sold/returned by a dozen customers at this point.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Trabisnikof posted:

I’d just assume that Teslas are flatbed only.

How do you get them off the flatbed?

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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orcinus posted:

The glue that holds the Tesla fenders is made of Grimes.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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How the gently caress is that even legal, let alone possible?

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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nikosoft posted:

https://twitter.com/skabooshka/status/1045587149532221440

They're double-counting cars to boost their production numbers lol :allears:

I said this a couple of weeks ago about their sales figures, half as a joke, but it really does look like that's exactly what they're doing.

That was when we found out that rejected cars were being sent out to multiple buyers and it was possible Tesla was counting each time as a car delivered.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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FAUXTON posted:

Lol they're painting the fuckers outside and the paint is getting dust and poo poo on it while drying

It's even worse than that. If you look at the bottom left of the photo:




Not only are they illegally painting them outdoors, they're painting them right next to the rubbish dump.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Didn't the New Generation Enterprise have only one toilet?


EDIT: Yep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAKQzZfpaz8

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Aircraft computer systems run on the "5 nines" concept of 99.999% uptime, or down-time of 5.26 minutes per year. Because lives depend on that poo poo.

I'd love to know what Tesla's rating is.

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

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Lote posted:

https://twitter.com/bsa19741/status/1050529267979866112

I thought this might happen earlier in the thread with Tesla counting when they receive money as “deliveries”. Someone made fun of me saying it would be bush league accounting fraud, yet here we are. :lol:

I'm still waiting for the evidence that they counted failed deliveries (i.e. customers returning broken cars) as deliveries and therefore got multiple "deliveries" from single cars.

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