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So do people just not know about Misawa/Kawada from 1994 or do they ignore it on purpose or what cause the scale's been "broken" for 24 years, but people only started complaining about it last year
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Gumball Gumption posted:I wish he would just change his system or ditch the stars. What wrestling is has changed so much from when he started rating them that it really doesn't make sense to compare. There were six star and other 5+ star matches in the 80s. I'm tired of hearing this uninformed take.
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Aug 17, 2018 13:42
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TriffTshngo posted:So do people just not know about Misawa/Kawada from 1994 or do they ignore it on purpose or what cause the scale's been "broken" for 24 years, but people only started complaining about it last year The flair steamboat house show match got six stars but people don't care because it's not on tape.
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Aug 17, 2018 13:43
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Your Parents posted:The flair steamboat house show match got six stars but people don't care because it's not on tape. I mean if you can't see a match it's a fair take to not care about it tbh
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Aug 17, 2018 14:05
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Your Parents posted:There were six star and other 5+ star matches in the 80s. I'm tired of hearing this uninformed take. Yeah, I know. Doesn't really change my point. I think he's rated 8 matches in the last year and a half 5+. The number of matches getting that rating has gone up recently and it makes me wonder why bothering doing stars. As a ranking system or a recommendation system it becomes even more arbitrary then it already is to go "Oh, that match got 5.5 but that one got 6.0 so the 6.0 has to be better" when both matches are at the top of the craft. Arbitrary numerical ranking systems suck because if you use the same one for this long you eventually run into a problem where you run into something that you consider better then that last match which broke your system and then you keep watching matches that are even better then that. Dave should just drop the stars and tell people if he likes something or not. All matches will be either "Oh I thought it was great", "It was good but like, uh, I mean, I've seen better matches. It certainly wasn't the best I've seen.", "I mean, uh, what can you say? It wasn't good I can tell you that. "
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Aug 17, 2018 14:15
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It's gone up recently because the last few years have produced arguably the greatest wrestling in history.
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Aug 17, 2018 14:28
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Maybe the rating system has always been out of 10 and Dave just doesn't like wrestling all that much?
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Aug 17, 2018 15:15
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Numbers and stars in reviews have always been a shorthand for attracting word challenged people. Numbers =/= science.
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Aug 17, 2018 15:22
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remusclaw posted:Numbers and stars in reviews have always been a shorthand for attracting word challenged people. Numbers =/= science. I rate albums in a spreadsheet and my ratings are in colors.
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Aug 17, 2018 15:59
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Benne posted:The star ratings are fine you dorks The bullet club is star ratings.
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Aug 17, 2018 16:33
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Gumball Gumption posted:Yeah, I know. Doesn't really change my point. I think he's rated 8 matches in the last year and a half 5+. The number of matches getting that rating has gone up recently and it makes me wonder why bothering doing stars. As a ranking system or a recommendation system it becomes even more arbitrary then it already is to go "Oh, that match got 5.5 but that one got 6.0 so the 6.0 has to be better" when both matches are at the top of the craft. Arbitrary numerical ranking systems suck because if you use the same one for this long you eventually run into a problem where you run into something that you consider better then that last match which broke your system and then you keep watching matches that are even better then that. Dave should just drop the stars and tell people if he likes something or not. NJPW is really loving good man
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Aug 19, 2018 04:01
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Your Parents posted:It's gone up recently because the last few years have produced arguably the greatest wrestling in history. Seriously, the wrestling now is the best I've seen since those Misawa/Kawada matches in the 90s or the Flair/Steamboat matches in the 80s, both of which also coincidentally "broke" the rating system. Plus, as others keep mentioning, he doesn't just give a rating without context, he writes lengthy explanations of why the match was great/terrible.
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Aug 19, 2018 05:22
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Jerusalem posted:Seriously, the wrestling now is the best I've seen since those Misawa/Kawada matches in the 90s or the Flair/Steamboat matches in the 80s, both of which also coincidentally "broke" the rating system. most nonsubscribers see is the stars. So its easy for people that don't have access to think he's just Leonard Maltin-ing it.
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Aug 19, 2018 05:52
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Dave himself has said he only still does star ratings because other people really, really care about them.
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Aug 19, 2018 06:55
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coconono posted:most nonsubscribers see is the stars. So its easy for people that don't have access to think he's just Leonard Maltin-ing it. Well.. if you dont want to pay for the whole review, it's pretty lovely get upset about the rating without context.. But i guess that is the story of Meltzers life
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Aug 19, 2018 07:52
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Dave himself has said he only still does star ratings because other people really, really care about them. That actually makes a lot of sense and I get it a bit better. I still think stars are stupid but it gives a good way for Dave to stay relevant with people who don't subscribe.
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Aug 19, 2018 22:07
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dave is a superficial critic and basically writes move recaps and occasionally characterizes spots somewhere between 'good' and 'excellent'. like his star ratings are a fine resource given how much wrestling he's seen but the matches where he has insightful analysis are few and far between. he'll say stuff like 'oh the timing was so good' which may be true but he does not have the verbiage to explain what that means or why it was apparent
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I loved this thread but I think it's run its course now and New Japan chat can shift back to the main thread.
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