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Donovan Trip: Jan 6, 2007

I hope this goes another season somehow because it's just getting a groove

# ? Aug 21, 2018 02:56

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 20:21

esperterra: Mar 24, 2010; SHINee's back

He'll have to come up with a new cast of characters if they do, but if anything that makes the prospect of a season 2 even more exciting for me.

# ? Aug 21, 2018 03:08

Blue Train: Jun 17, 2012

Get wrecked whoever said he only attacks the right wing people in a believable way

# ? Aug 21, 2018 05:24

url: Apr 23, 2007; internet gnuru

To be entirely honest,if the last episode is literally just him on stage with Rammstein singing Amerika, and a 1 second clip of Palin saying gently caress off or similar, I;d be okay with that.

Low bar? yeah maybe, but gently caress it, I feel well fed at this point.

# ? Aug 21, 2018 19:54

vez veces: Dec 15, 2006; The engineer blew the whistle,
and the fireman rung the bell.

url posted:

He's blurred the lines between wtf did he (SBC) say/do, and wtf did they say/do.
And hes cross-platformed it with respected (ish i guess) from congress/senate/and included regular folk, celebs, internet celebrities, activists, and SJW types.

Quite remarkable I'd suggest.

The last ep is next week/next episode by all accounts, here's hoping Palin buys-in!

I'm hoping we see some more black mirror in the gap waiting for another season of this.

Oh, I think I agree, every episode is pretty spectacular on its own, but comparing them against each other, it's gonna be hard to top episode 5 for me. The prison techno, then the celeb guy putting a doll arm down his pants, then the dick biter all hit in a row and had me in stitches.

I thought there were only six episodes! I'm pretty stoked to know we're getting another one.

# ? Aug 21, 2018 20:23

url: Apr 23, 2007; internet gnuru

Empire State posted:

Oh, I think I agree, every episode is pretty spectacular on its own, but comparing them against each other, it's gonna be hard to top episode 5 for me. The prison techno, then the celeb guy putting a doll arm down his pants, then the dick biter all hit in a row and had me in stitches.

I thought there were only six episodes! I'm pretty stoked to know we're getting another one.

I am enamored with this series, but i have been entirely nervous to cheer-lead. That said, I'm not sure I am cheer-leading or that cheer-leading is necessary given that this series spoke for itself, and spoke very, very assertively. The fact that this thread (on a 'quiet forum') has maintained for 6 or so weeks holds water in that regard. The international press, resignations, outrage, each week, also speaks to the fact.

While this thread has admirably retained focus on the merits of each show, as the season runs its course I do think that with only the finale left, we are able to apply some context. I also think it is required.

To address your post, I loving loved #5! And yeah, the rhythm was borderline carnal.
In context, I want to guess that it was actually the planned polite highlight. I say polite highlight in the same way the protesters gather for a photo-op before McDonalds gets trashed.

To that end, this #6 felt more cold-blooded and vicious than the previous episodes. I do not think this is unwarranted given the comparatively genteel nature and magician-like reveals of the previous episodes. SBC week after week identified problematic behaviors. He then isolated, provoked, and enabled those behaviors to escalate toward an act of self-gestated humiliation. And yes, that is obviously an entirely intentional use of red pill/MRA/PUA language. This episode was literally as blunt as I'll gently caress your wife, you cuck, and, hold my hand while I shove a doll up my arse. Genteel, this was not.

I think my nervousness to cheer-lead stems from the fact this show seems to taunt and encourage 'us' with abandoning the moral high-ground. Is that my British/Irish/Catholic upbringing? I'm not sure. Given the left's diet of 'when they go low, we go high', I think SBC shows us this may be a partially-flawed strategy. Instead 'when they go low, open a loving trap-door' seems to be the suggestion. Its certainly tempting, and it looks incredibly effective so far.

With that in mind, I'm not sure that I can think a better target for banal, cheap, abuse than whoever those Hollywood-housewife scrotes were. I didn't know who they were before, and I don't care to know now. They're simply collateral damage in the same way fun-sized terrorists are. It feels like he dispatched that skit with an entirely lazy and mindless sideswipe at those responsible for the pathetic travesty of stereotypical greenback porn. This wasn't just low-hanging fruit, he literally loving played a cello to highlight the bankruptcy. He turned the moral emptiness that describes itself as entertainment on itself. And gently caress it, why not. It debases us. Response in kind seems entirely justified - no?

Given his repertoire, it's was very much an easy meta given the complexities of weaponizing toddlers presented in the previous episodes. At his juncture, I'm loathe to even call it an abuse. It obviously was, in every sense of the word. But, I feel like it is a reflected abuse, and it feels utterly and entirely justified. Is this new-wave guilt porn?

I assume the argument will follow the two-wrongs format. Given the preceding reveals, I now feel okay to simply hand-wave these abuses away. So much so, I'm thinking of investing in blue hat with a poo poo acronym.

I'm (hoping) expecting #7 to be beyond brutal, a saw-esque torture porn.
I also want to hold back my expectations for fear of over-billing a splatter-fest that fails to deliver.

My reasoning is, how the gently caress do you finale after some lazy, review-for-paycheck (soc. med. influencer), voluntarily consumes and praises anally massaged (just like Kobe*) condom wrapped meats, and meat literally defined as having come from the loins of a Chinese slave?

The second half of this season really went balls-out, no-holds-barred, all-in, print-or-be-damned, etc, ..., hyperbole i know. But, I loving respect that. His reputation was potentially in shreds before #1 even aired. His reputation was very much still in question for #2.
#3 saw him gain ground back. Once the gently caress-wit had to resign, SBC was relatively safe. The baying mob sated, SBC could begin with the serious work of entertaining.

Repeat resignations and embarrassment for episode #4 & #5 and SBC was rightfully re-anointed.

It's shocking to see to see his career fluctuate that fast, but gently caress it, I want to say that was 'the' gamble. I think it unquestionably added to our experience, and I want to credit (fairly or not) SBC with knowing that was going to be the case. Again I'm going with an assumption of meta.

With that in mind, this show feels like a touch paper ... That may or may not be overstating the case.

* i wanna see his Chinese impression next

fake edit: that's way more :words:

than I intended, apols

tl;dr: i liked the show, it was funny

# ? Aug 21, 2018 23:41

Paladinus: Jan 11, 2014; heyHEYYYY!!!

Cool. Thanks for sharing. 100% unironically.

# ? Aug 21, 2018 23:48

url: Apr 23, 2007; internet gnuru

Paladinus posted:

Cool. Thanks for sharing. 100% unironically.

11 years, first compliment

:3:

I'm also worried this might be proof positive that we are indeed in the end of times.

# ? Aug 22, 2018 02:36

Comfy Fleece Sweater: Apr 2, 2013; You see, but you do not observe.

url posted:

11 years, first compliment

I'm also worried this might be proof positive that we are indeed in the end of times.

gently caress off

# ? Aug 22, 2018 02:56

url: Apr 23, 2007; internet gnuru

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

gently caress off

End of times is no longer a concern.
Thanks for clarifying.

# ? Aug 22, 2018 03:46

putin is a cunt: Apr 5, 2007; BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

url posted:

I am enamored with this series, but i have been entirely nervous to cheer-lead. That said, I'm not sure I am cheer-leading or that cheer-leading is necessary given that this series spoke for itself, and spoke very, very assertively. The fact that this thread (on a 'quiet forum') has maintained for 6 or so weeks holds water in that regard. The international press, resignations, outrage, each week, also speaks to the fact.

While this thread has admirably retained focus on the merits of each show, as the season runs its course I do think that with only the finale left, we are able to apply some context. I also think it is required.

To address your post, I loving loved #5! And yeah, the rhythm was borderline carnal.
In context, I want to guess that it was actually the planned polite highlight. I say polite highlight in the same way the protesters gather for a photo-op before McDonalds gets trashed.

To that end, this #6 felt more cold-blooded and vicious than the previous episodes. I do not think this is unwarranted given the comparatively genteel nature and magician-like reveals of the previous episodes. SBC week after week identified problematic behaviors. He then isolated, provoked, and enabled those behaviors to escalate toward an act of self-gestated humiliation. And yes, that is obviously an entirely intentional use of red pill/MRA/PUA language. This episode was literally as blunt as I'll gently caress your wife, you cuck, and, hold my hand while I shove a doll up my arse. Genteel, this was not.

I think my nervousness to cheer-lead stems from the fact this show seems to taunt and encourage 'us' with abandoning the moral high-ground. Is that my British/Irish/Catholic upbringing? I'm not sure. Given the left's diet of 'when they go low, we go high', I think SBC shows us this may be a partially-flawed strategy. Instead 'when they go low, open a loving trap-door' seems to be the suggestion. Its certainly tempting, and it looks incredibly effective so far.

With that in mind, I'm not sure that I can think a better target for banal, cheap, abuse than whoever those Hollywood-housewife scrotes were. I didn't know who they were before, and I don't care to know now. They're simply collateral damage in the same way fun-sized terrorists are. It feels like he dispatched that skit with an entirely lazy and mindless sideswipe at those responsible for the pathetic travesty of stereotypical greenback porn. This wasn't just low-hanging fruit, he literally loving played a cello to highlight the bankruptcy. He turned the moral emptiness that describes itself as entertainment on itself. And gently caress it, why not. It debases us. Response in kind seems entirely justified - no?

Given his repertoire, it's was very much an easy meta given the complexities of weaponizing toddlers presented in the previous episodes. At his juncture, I'm loathe to even call it an abuse. It obviously was, in every sense of the word. But, I feel like it is a reflected abuse, and it feels utterly and entirely justified. Is this new-wave guilt porn?

I assume the argument will follow the two-wrongs format. Given the preceding reveals, I now feel okay to simply hand-wave these abuses away. So much so, I'm thinking of investing in blue hat with a poo poo acronym.

I'm (hoping) expecting #7 to be beyond brutal, a saw-esque torture porn.
I also want to hold back my expectations for fear of over-billing a splatter-fest that fails to deliver.

My reasoning is, how the gently caress do you finale after some lazy, review-for-paycheck (soc. med. influencer), voluntarily consumes and praises anally massaged (just like Kobe*) condom wrapped meats, and meat literally defined as having come from the loins of a Chinese slave?

The second half of this season really went balls-out, no-holds-barred, all-in, print-or-be-damned, etc, ..., hyperbole i know. But, I loving respect that. His reputation was potentially in shreds before #1 even aired. His reputation was very much still in question for #2.
#3 saw him gain ground back. Once the gently caress-wit had to resign, SBC was relatively safe. The baying mob sated, SBC could begin with the serious work of entertaining.

Repeat resignations and embarrassment for episode #4 & #5 and SBC was rightfully re-anointed.

It's shocking to see to see his career fluctuate that fast, but gently caress it, I want to say that was 'the' gamble. I think it unquestionably added to our experience, and I want to credit (fairly or not) SBC with knowing that was going to be the case. Again I'm going with an assumption of meta.

With that in mind, this show feels like a touch paper ... That may or may not be overstating the case.

* i wanna see his Chinese impression next

fake edit: that's way more than I intended, apols

tl;dr: i liked the show, it was funny

# ? Aug 22, 2018 04:20

Donovan Trip: Jan 6, 2007

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

gently caress off

lol

# ? Aug 22, 2018 09:19

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

I know the dictator movie didn't do well and much of Bruno was forced, but really SBC should make more movies where he gets americans to own themselves, it's his element

# ? Aug 22, 2018 09:38

Alan Smithee: Jan 4, 2005; A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

url posted:

11 years, first compliment

I'm also worried this might be proof positive that we are indeed in the end of times.

have you had sex

if so you're ahead of the game

# ? Aug 22, 2018 09:39

ninjoatse.cx: Apr 9, 2005; Fun Shoe

url is more honest than anyone else in this thread. Besides myself. :tipshat:

# ? Aug 22, 2018 16:56

gary oldmans diary: Sep 26, 2005

UltraRed posted:

url is more honest than anyone else in this thread. Besides myself.

honestly bad posting

# ? Aug 22, 2018 17:38

url: Apr 23, 2007; internet gnuru

Alan Smithee posted:

have you had sex

if so you're ahead of the game

I'm taking that to the bank.

:woop:

E: originally I had a tipshat, but, two tipshat in a row seems like bad form

url fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Aug 22, 2018

# ? Aug 22, 2018 18:30

vez veces: Dec 15, 2006; The engineer blew the whistle,
and the fireman rung the bell.

url posted:

I think my nervousness to cheer-lead stems from the fact this show seems to taunt and encourage 'us' with abandoning the moral high-ground. Is that my British/Irish/Catholic upbringing? I'm not sure. Given the left's diet of 'when they go low, we go high', I think SBC shows us this may be a partially-flawed strategy. Instead 'when they go low, open a loving trap-door' seems to be the suggestion. Its certainly tempting, and it looks incredibly effective so far.

For most of the bits I'd want to cheer on, I feel like he's less "gone low" than he has windmilled his arms and encouraged people to walk into the punches.

url posted:

His reputation was potentially in shreds before #1 even aired. His reputation was very much still in question for #2.
#3 saw him gain ground back. Once the gently caress-wit had to resign, SBC was relatively safe. The baying mob sated, SBC could begin with the serious work of entertaining.

Repeat resignations and embarrassment for episode #4 & #5 and SBC was rightfully re-anointed.

It's shocking to see to see his career fluctuate that fast, but gently caress it, I want to say that was 'the' gamble. I think it unquestionably added to our experience, and I want to credit (fairly or not) SBC with knowing that was going to be the case.

Was his career in a bad place though? I hadn't heard from him for awhile, but I assumed he was living large on HBO/Borat/Bruno royalties at this point.

vez veces fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Aug 22, 2018

# ? Aug 22, 2018 18:50

CrazyLoon: Aug 10, 2015; "..."

Royalties deffo gave him enough money to keep going. But I figure the reason, why folks felt his career was in a bad place, was basically that few in hollywood would work with him, for fear that he'd subvert whatever role he had to play. Right before this I remember poo poo like that being floated around as to why he didn't get cast as Freddie Mercury on a new flick about Queen.

Now part of me can certainly understand that, and as to why it might put a dampener on SBC's career to not be reliable in this way. Then again, the other part of me wonders how much of this is just Hollywood being stuck up its own arse and unwilling to treat things less seriously. In the case of the Queen movie, since the negotiators were 80s big band members that never have to work for a living again due to their own royalties, so long as the 'legendary' image of their band is upheld, I guarantee you they laid the whole 'portray Freddie in the right image' shtick hard, considering said image is what allows them to feed off their 'legendary' status and collect all that sweet money for no work at all.

# ? Aug 22, 2018 18:59

Mr Shiny Pants: Nov 12, 2012

CrazyLoon posted:

Royalties deffo gave him enough money to keep going. But I figure the reason, why folks felt his career was in a bad place, was basically that few in hollywood would work with him, for fear that he'd subvert whatever role he had to play. Right before this I remember poo poo like that being floated around as to why he didn't get cast as Freddie Mercury on a new flick about Queen.

Now part of me can certainly understand that, and as to why it might put a dampener on SBC's career to not be reliable in this way. Then again, the other part of me wonders how much of this is just Hollywood being stuck up its own arse and unwilling to treat things less seriously. In the case of the Queen movie, since the negotiators were 80s big band members that never have to work for a living again due to their own royalties, so long as the 'legendary' image of their band is upheld, I guarantee you they laid the whole 'portray Freddie in the right image' shtick hard, considering said image is what allows them to feed off their 'legendary' status and collect all that sweet money for no work at all.

The Queen bit was a difference of opinion on how the movie should be made. Brian May wanted it to also include the careers of the rest of the band after Freddie died and SBC was not onboard with that.

At least, that is what I read.

# ? Aug 22, 2018 19:03

esperterra: Mar 24, 2010; SHINee's back

Yeah, I also heard SBC bailed after it was clear the movie would be more about the band and less about Freddie, and go beyond his death.

# ? Aug 22, 2018 19:10

Mr Shiny Pants: Nov 12, 2012

esperterra posted:

Yeah, I also heard SBC bailed after it was clear the movie would be more about the band and less about Freddie, and go beyond his death.

Mercury bailed before, hence the movie.

# ? Aug 22, 2018 19:11

vez veces: Dec 15, 2006; The engineer blew the whistle,
and the fireman rung the bell.

I hadn't heard anything about that. Hollywood is perpetually living in its own butthole, for sure, but it makes a sort of sense I guess. Thanks for the context.

# ? Aug 22, 2018 19:13

precision: May 7, 2006; by VideoGames

esperterra posted:

Yeah, I also heard SBC bailed after it was clear the movie would be more about the band and less about Freddie, and go beyond his death.

they need to get Kenneth Anger to do a Freddie movie

# ? Aug 22, 2018 19:21

esperterra: Mar 24, 2010; SHINee's back

Mr Shiny Pants posted:

Mercury bailed before, hence the movie.

lmao I'm lowkey glad someone caught that

e: and tbf I think SBC had been working on trying to get a Freddie Mercury biopic made for a while, or find someone who would cast him in one. I can see being kind of annoyed/let down when the project finally comes thru and it's more about the band than the man.

# ? Aug 22, 2018 19:22

Donovan Trip: Jan 6, 2007

From what I remember he had pretty good contracts. Borat cost less than 20 million and made 200+, then Paramount offered him boatloads to get whatever he made next. Dudes living good..

# ? Aug 22, 2018 20:49

url: Apr 23, 2007; internet gnuru

OT:

got sent this on FB

https://twitter.com/SachaBaronCohen/status/1032672183536033793

# ? Aug 25, 2018 02:42

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

url posted:

OT:

got sent this on FB

https://twitter.com/SachaBaronCohen/status/1032672183536033793

# ? Aug 25, 2018 08:23

EugeneJ: Feb 5, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

https://twitter.com/SachaBaronCohen/status/1033804403952820224

# ? Aug 26, 2018 23:33

CrazyLoon: Aug 10, 2015; "..."

All ready to watch and all that needs be said is...

"Jalah, what we waiting for? Let go!"

# ? Aug 27, 2018 05:06

George H.W. Cunt: Oct 6, 2010

Fuckin lol Oj

# ? Aug 27, 2018 05:47

Comfy Fleece Sweater: Apr 2, 2013; You see, but you do not observe.

Did I miss it or was there no Sarah Palin bit? I thought there was supposed to be one

# ? Aug 27, 2018 06:34

esperterra: Mar 24, 2010; SHINee's back

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

Did I miss it or was there no Sarah Palin bit? I thought there was supposed to be one

# ? Aug 27, 2018 06:37

TIP: Mar 21, 2006; Your move, creep.

Jesus, that whole thing with OJ was amazing. I died when OJ congratulated him on getting away with murdering his wife.

# ? Aug 27, 2018 06:47

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

Did I miss it or was there no Sarah Palin bit? I thought there was supposed to be one

she blew up an unusable piece of tape so hard that she got credit for it

# ? Aug 27, 2018 07:33

CrazyLoon: Aug 10, 2015; "..."

Yea it was p cool final. Not quite the super scandalous poo poo some hyped it totally has to be, but goddamn if I didn't cringe the entire way through Erran Morad segment properly. The ending was awww...SBC was really hoping a fair bit to find some repressed realization within that old gently caress, but nah - guy was just a bit on the fence about (not actually) blowing up an antifa. Such a shame.

And yea...OJ bit p much cemented Gio character as just as awesome in my mind as Erran. Gonna miss them both and also the 'Healing the divide' and ex-con dudes who both had some nice hits while the 'Truthbrary' dude was ehhh...didn't really go anywhere TBH.

Still, cool show, glad it got made, glad I watched it and so glad it actually got a shitlord dismissed from public office.

# ? Aug 27, 2018 07:38

MrQwerty: Apr 15, 2003

CrazyLoon posted:

Still, cool show, glad it got made, glad I watched it and so glad it actually got a shitlord dismissed from public office.

It also got some chuds wearing fake pussies and sucking fake dicks on TV

# ? Aug 27, 2018 07:42

Comfy Fleece Sweater: Apr 2, 2013; You see, but you do not observe.

Problem with Truthbrary Guy is you got Alex Jones already

# ? Aug 27, 2018 15:39

vez veces: Dec 15, 2006; The engineer blew the whistle,
and the fireman rung the bell.

esperterra posted:

This is funnier than including any of the footage. I just finished the episode and came straight to my computer to post about this. My stomach still hurts from laughing. :perfect:

ed: I keep trying to imagine scenarios where Truthbrary could've been funny. I think it'd work if he had managed to score an interview with a real nutbag. Alex Jones agreeing wholeheartedly with Ruddick would be funny. Anything less is kinda lame, though (as discussed upthread) I think the first Bernie segment was helpful to establish a control. "Here, see the normal human being who throws his hands in the air and calls me crazy. Now, enjoy the show."

vez veces fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Aug 27, 2018

# ? Aug 27, 2018 19:38

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 20:21

Paladinus: Jan 11, 2014; heyHEYYYY!!!

The older dude did really great in drag, I have to say.

# ? Aug 27, 2018 22:17

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