awful programming: it's like working with a gazillion juniors instead of one giant testicle

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Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

correctly remembered that do-while is the loop construct for an indefinite number of loops but at least 1

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Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

I honestly had an absolute hot streak of change tickets slammed through 30 minutes before the cutoff for "normal" changes with rollback written as "it's too complicated, we fix forward" for most of them and the testing evidence all written as "see Jira" knowing perfectly well nobody would ever check it and that the evidence was generally inscrutable to anyone that would look at it one weird trick to make end users happy by increasing delivery speed, change management hate it!

now I watch the dev team spend 12 hours to deploy one service component to send emails and somehow gently caress it up such that a) it takes 12 hours jfc how, and b) it keeps sending emails with no content lmao

I'm so glad I don't have to manage that, I just get to occasionally lose my poo poo about it and things like "why is there not one single entity relationship or database design diagram for this massive data mode change?"

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well-read undead: Dec 13, 2022

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

I'm so glad I don't have to manage that, I just get to occasionally lose my poo poo about it and things like "why is there not one single entity relationship or database design diagram for this massive data mode change?"

and doing this is easier than it's ever been, you can just embed mermaid diagrams in tons of stuff now, including readmes, and have github and your ide render them inline. tada, zero effort erd, would you look at that

# ? Aug 2, 2024 01:21

cool av: Mar 2, 2013

Captain Foo posted:

correctly remembered that do-while is the loop construct for an indefinite number of loops but at least 1

i can't remember ever seeing a do-while that made better sense than a similar while

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The Fool: Oct 16, 2003

I control the execution of my while loops by placing a break statement at the front or end

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ryanrs: Jul 12, 2011

I put a Duff's Device in shipping code (early versions of iChat AV).

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Ultrapotassium: Feb 13, 2022

ryanrs posted:

I put a Duff's Device in shipping code (early versions of iChat AV).

Dear Lord.

Talk about awful programming.

Ultrapotassium fucked around with this message at 08:19 on Aug 2, 2024

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ryanrs: Jul 12, 2011

I tried it out just for lols, but it profiled 0.5% faster, so we shipped it.

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Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

there has on multiple occasions been a duff�s device in the Linux kernel, I�m pretty sure. (possible that they were out-of-tree drivers but I don�t think so)

# ? Aug 2, 2024 17:48

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
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cool av posted:

i can't remember ever seeing a do-while that made better sense than a similar while

Not my problem lol

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Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

Captain Foo posted:

Not my problem lol

he'll yeah

its future yous problem

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Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

i mean it�s literally the correct construct for the use case

# ? Aug 2, 2024 20:26

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

Captain Foo posted:

i mean it�s literally the correct construct for the use case

imo any type of loop can be written as any other type if you name & init the variables correctly, the latter being more important cause the compiler is just gonna make a for loop anyway

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Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

the compiler is just gonna use a goto unless you're on a weird platform with hardware loops

# ? Aug 3, 2024 03:37

Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

Jabor posted:

the compiler is just gonna use a goto unless you're on a weird platform with hardware loops

i mean like dec+jne is basically a for loop

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Share Bear: Apr 27, 2004

if youre gonna do while just do the thing before the while which immediately terminates based on current state

weirdly bad syntactic sugar imo

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Share Bear: Apr 27, 2004

theres prob some assembly related purposeful bad output reason for its existence

�our compiled couldnt figure out this only ran once� kinda deal

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well-read undead: Dec 13, 2022

why are you people afraid of do while

it's not going to hurt you

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Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

do while is great in the context of mmio where you know you have at least one input to pull or whatever but the data you read directly affects how many times you have to read next etc

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CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

The worst thing about do-while is that it needs a semicolon at the end

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The Fool: Oct 16, 2003

best thing about javascript imo

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pokeyman: Nov 26, 2006; That elephant ate my entire platoon.

CPColin posted:

The worst thing about do-while is that it needs a semicolon at the end

but that makes my multiline macros look like function calls

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ryanrs: Jul 12, 2011

yep, very handy when your preprocessor macro needs some local variables

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Antigravitas: Dec 8, 2019; Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

I've only ever needed foreach, we can get rid of all the others imo.

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well-read undead: Dec 13, 2022

pokeyman posted:

but that makes my multiline macros look like function calls

now that's what i call functional programming

# ? Aug 3, 2024 09:09

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

code:

do {
   if (!condition) break;
   // loop body here
} while (1);

or gtfo imo

# ? Aug 3, 2024 10:03

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Or if you need to possibly bail early from a block of code and don't have goto:

code:


do {
    // Whatever
    if(uh_oh) break;
} while (false);

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Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

a programming structure that you can potentially make an early return from. if only such a thing existed.

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Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

Sapozhnik posted:

a programming structure that you can potentially make an early return from. if only such a thing existed.

liskov called and just wanted you to know that they�re very disappointed that you don�t care about ergonomics or performance

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Truman Peyote: Oct 11, 2006

i honestly can't remember the last time i saw a loop that wasn't a for or foreach

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Dijkstracula: Mar 18, 2003; You can't spell 'vector field' without me, Professor!

Wheany posted:

Or if you need to possibly bail early from a block of code and don't have goto:
code:
do {
    // Whatever
    if(uh_oh) break;
} while (false);

also `do while { } (0)` is the only honourable solution if you want multiple statements within a macro expansion :getin:

# ? Aug 3, 2024 19:00

Tunicate: May 15, 2012

Truman Peyote posted:

i honestly can't remember the last time i saw a loop that wasn't a for or foreach

While (true) is the flow control of champions

# ? Aug 3, 2024 19:08

polyester concept: Mar 29, 2017

i had to write a while loop last week. probably the first one in years.

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well-read undead: Dec 13, 2022

go programmers reading this thread looking very confused

# ? Aug 3, 2024 19:11

FlapYoJacks: Feb 12, 2009

I use gotos quite often in C in kernel land. much easier to nail out in multiple parts of a drivers probe function using a goto.

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Hadlock: Nov 9, 2004

Truman Peyote posted:

i honestly can't remember the last time i saw a loop that wasn't a for or foreach

bro do you even write services in bash

comon' son

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Presto: Nov 22, 2002; Keep calm and Harry on.

Truman Peyote posted:

i honestly can't remember the last time i saw a loop that wasn't a for or foreach

Eh, they all have their uses. I use 'for' when I know in advance when the loop will stop and 'while' when :iiam:

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CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

Also while(true) because some rear end in a top hat said we can't just GOTO 10 at the end of our programs :mad:

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

instead of while(true) use while(!cancellationToken.IsCancellationRequested)

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CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

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