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JawnV6 posted:both times i was taught the concept, the prof asked if there was an "obvious" right way, to which 100% of the students raised a hand, then asked if it was big or little, and got a 50-50 split nah, I'm not saying big or little is obviously right to me, I'm saying the names should be flipped according to how I think about it but yah I forgot about the Gulliver's Travels part, of course it's a loving reference. at least it was decided way too early for it to be a monty python reference.
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big endian is big end first, little endian is little end first.
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aardvaard posted:big endian is big end first, little endian is little end first. the first end, also known as the "start" of something you know, like how all stories have a first end, a middle, and an ending.
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DuckConference posted:the first end, also known as the "start" of something ends have meaning outside of "start and end". things can have a front end and a back end, or a heavy end and a light end, or a big end and a small end.
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"i'm a front end developer" i'm sorry i think you mean a front start developer?
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Boiled Water posted:“that’s nice but instead here’s 16 hours. we’re an agile company nah this is a finance multinational and my boss is a former banking exec
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Sapozhnik posted:Still don't understand why people use vue instead of react i assume react is probably not any better, but my knowledge of vue is that it turns any js traceback into a giant pile of inscrutable utility loader functions, half of which are anonymous. trying to figure out which levels are poo poo i should care about (our code rather than vue's poo poo) is a painful and tedious process, and the sentiment of our frontend devs is that they have no idea what to pay attention to either. i do not understand how or why the stack that arguably has the best live debugging tools around has apparently gone out of their way to then make those tools unusable
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Sapozhnik posted:Still don't understand why people use vue instead of react vue has some quirks to get used to but works really well and has a lot of features that make things easier. not needing webpack is also great because it doesn't really fit into the workflow of the platform i develop for
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Boiled Water posted:that doesn’t sound fine at all eh, not much to actually complain. there’s definitely no agile or tempo bullshit involved in my work since im in credit risk unit
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now task delegation and information sharing though. we just had a hands on meeting about that and my idea to replace lovely slow jira with trello was shot down by proposal to use a shared google spreadsheet for an entire department
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Talking of lovely decisions: we need a system that polls an external api periodically and the saves the results on our end. Work has started on a system that polls the api when it receives a kafka message and puts the result on another topic, a system which periodically puts empty messages on a topic, and a system that receives the result topic messages and exposes it as a table. Surely this will solve the complexity issue!
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cinci zoo sniper posted:now task delegation and information sharing though. we just had a hands on meeting about that and my idea to replace lovely slow jira with trello was shot down by proposal to use a shared google spreadsheet for an entire department Put conditional formatting on every cell that does nothing except if certain keywords are put in a cell the background turns red.
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gonadic io posted:Put conditional formatting on every cell that does nothing except if certain keywords are put in a cell the background turns red. yeah i can make it work sure, but it feels, uh, regressive. either way our “manager” roundtable conclusion was that we each want a different thing and our discussions were aimed at personal, not global problems, which in normal language means at least a few more weeks of meetings on the subject until we start talking about the same thing cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:means at least a few more weeks of meetings on the subject until we start talking about the same thing This is far from the worst outcome of such a meeting
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gonadic io posted:Talking of lovely decisions:
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aardvaard posted:"i'm a front end developer" front butt developer
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mystes posted:Just fork Cron and rename everything to make it sound Big Data-ish. Cron + redis wouldn't keep a team of devs busy for a few weeks, nor provide them job security supporting it afterwards
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anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:i assume react is probably not any better, but my knowledge of vue is that it turns any js traceback into a giant pile of inscrutable utility loader functions, half of which are anonymous. trying to figure out which levels are poo poo i should care about (our code rather than vue's poo poo) is a painful and tedious process, and the sentiment of our frontend devs is that they have no idea what to pay attention to either. this is basically every js framework and library on the other hand, if you don't use frameworks or libraries, then you're writing entirely in vanilla javascript the grass is always greener on the other side
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anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:i assume react is probably not any better, but my knowledge of vue is that it turns any js traceback into a giant pile of inscrutable utility loader functions, half of which are anonymous. trying to figure out which levels are poo poo i should care about (our code rather than vue's poo poo) is a painful and tedious process, and the sentiment of our frontend devs is that they have no idea what to pay attention to either. It's all the reactive stuff, it remaps everything under the hood so that it can trigger redraws appropriately when data changes. That said, as long as you've got an error handler set up, this sort of thing is only really a problem with errors during the render. The vue developer tools are reasonably functional as well, worth getting if you don't use them already since they can actually shed light on what the hell is going on under the layers of vue stuff. Chalks fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Oct 17, 2018 |
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I went to go try out vue and react and vs asked me to install npm so I decided it wasn't worth it
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Shaggar posted:I went to go try out vue and react and vs asked me to install npm so I decided it wasn't worth it i always knew you were a faker lol
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idk what u mean? I've used other js frameworks before but I didn't want to have to deal with a huge compiler chain for loving javascript. id rather just not write any javascript.
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Yarn add react-dom Then I guess press whatever button in vscode compiles your jsx typescript down to browser JavaScript Or if that's too much work let $ = React.createElement
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virtual dom is a great performance gain but you should be allowed to turn it off and get a debuggable rendering stack lmbo at the possibility of making that work though
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Shaggar posted:id rather just not write any javascript. well yeah, wouldn't we all - but if that's not an option, npm + typescript are your best bet at getting javascript to behave like a real programming language.
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Node is trash and I haven't found a compelling reason to ever use it.
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prisoner of waffles posted:virtual dom is a great performance gain but you should be allowed to turn it off and get a debuggable rendering stack Like if you don't want a virtual dom surely you can't use an approach where the view is a pure function of the state in the first place? Or am I misunderstanding how this stuff works?
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mystes posted:Earlier javascript frameworks may have used a virtual dom purely as a performance optimization, but in the react model don't you *have* to diff the output with the previous output in order to avoid deleting and recreating each element time you render (which probably wouldn't just have worse performance, but also cause all sorts of problems directly)? nah, you're basically right. in theory though, deleting and recreating each element on each render should have performance problems but not correctness issues beyond stateful elements: inputs and anything highlighted
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Sapozhnik posted:Still don't understand why people use vue instead of react i just chose the thing i was told to use by a guy I know who's used both. he roughly said vue was a more complete one-stop-shop for the kind of functionality I was looking for. so far it's needs-suiting but I feel like knowing react is probably useful on more platforms (that I don't have to target right now)
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ratbert90 posted:Node is trash and I haven't found a compelling reason to ever use it. basically every javascript tool these days requires it
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Sapozhnik posted:Still don't understand why people use vue instead of react it's for angular1 people who want something maintained but don't want to learn yet another framework
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Main Paineframe posted:basically every javascript tool these days requires it thats a really good argument against ever touching npm
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Spime Wrangler posted:i just chose the thing i was told to use by a guy I know who's used both. he roughly said vue was a more complete one-stop-shop for the kind of functionality I was looking for. react is barely a framework. It's more like a design pattern with a bunch of library support to make doing things "the react way" a bit easier. at least imho
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Finster Dexter posted:react is barely a framework. It's more like a design pattern with a bunch of library support to make doing things "the react way" a bit easier. at least imho and jsx, so that you can require a preprocessing stage and put html in your javascript, and javascript in that html, and html in the javascript that's in the html that's in the javascript
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first we laughed at them for claiming that they were "programming in html", then we continued laughing at them because they used php now they are so insecure that they try to emulate big boy programming languages by adding build processes and compilation steps and linking steps and frameworks upon frameworks to a loving half assed scripting language originally intended to make animated crap follow the cursor, and they keep wrapping trivial one-liners into dedicated npm modules lol forever @ web developers
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Finster Dexter posted:react is barely a framework. It's more like a design pattern with a bunch of library support to make doing things "the react way" a bit easier. at least imho
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React has been the only tolerable js thing I've done in my very limited js experience of: vanilla, react w/ es6, ancient jquery
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