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Share Bear posted:i thought it was widely well known that many game code bases are horrors because a lot of it gets generated by (usually custom, but sometimes game maker and unity) tooling Sure it's widely known, but it's still fun to gawk at the horrors. Honestly, it's kind of inspiring. I'm over here fussing about pep8 and those people just go and release something cool.
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if it’s generated code who cares. it was generated from something and that something matters more than the output for human readability. I don’t think the compiler or interpreter is going to be repulsed by a big switch block
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Jan 17, 2023 18:41
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ya my comment is more towards "newsflash: water is wet" than any sort of quality implication, the tools are useful if it allows fun things to be made also yall should play undertale if you havent its the best game of that year
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Jan 17, 2023 18:55
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it almost certainly means that a material amount of the 90 hour gamedev weeks are utterly wasted tho, so thats a thing
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Jan 17, 2023 19:00
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Share Bear posted:ya my comment is more towards "newsflash: water is wet" than any sort of quality implication, the tools are useful if it allows fun things to be made
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Jan 17, 2023 19:05
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indie game devs often do the artwork, music, game design, etc as well so i'm gonna cut them some slack about unwieldly code
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Jan 17, 2023 19:47
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normal programmer: here's a software library for loading and rendering geometric objects it's called idk libgeometry or something game dev: POWERED BY THE TECHNO-GENESIS ENGINE
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Jan 17, 2023 20:29
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Twerk from Home posted:It'd be awesome if Epic made a single player game to show off their awesome engine. Maybe they could even name the game after the engine? that notable indie/one person dev studio Epic
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Jan 17, 2023 21:54
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DELETE CASCADE posted:ha ha application developers don't do 1000 line switch statements. i'm very clever. i can tell you're a person who has never used ham radio software turns out when people who write code actually want something, they cut corners to get there, especially when they're not programmers who spent four years jerking off at university dreaming about code reuse
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Jan 17, 2023 21:58
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Sapozhnik posted:normal programmer: here's a software library for loading and rendering geometric objects it's called idk libgeometry or something this isn't true normal programmers call things after pokemon or marvel movies
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Jan 17, 2023 21:59
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Sometimes you'll see something in the patchnotes for a game for some incredibly specific thing, like "Fixed bug where attacking a dicktroll with a salty short short while wearing a +2 sash of spiffiness may result in the player's helmet being unworn", and you just know the code is massive if/else sieve.
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Jan 17, 2023 22:01
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i mean sure enough when your job is writing a slightly faster for loop, or a slightly slower for loop with fancy bells and whistles, it's easy to look at game dev stuff and go "i could do that in a slightly nicer way". despite, y'know, this being entirely unrelated to getting a game out on time, or even building a game. it's a tale as old as the hills. every time someone posts gamedev code a bunch of smuggos explain how they would have used an abstract game factory. then again, for people whose sole agency in a programming job is "how many spaces/tabs do we indent things", it must be hard to imagine things like "do people actually want to use the software? is the game actually fun to play?" being more important than passing a linter
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Jan 17, 2023 22:03
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tef posted:then again, for people whose sole agency in a programming job is "how many spaces/tabs do we indent things", it must be hard to imagine things like "do people actually want to use the software? is the game actually fun to play?" being more important than passing a linter
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Jan 17, 2023 22:06
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you ok?
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Jan 17, 2023 22:19
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i can empathize with being perennially infuriated by a stupid take 
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Jan 17, 2023 22:22
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I guess the moral of the story is that programmers who are alienated from the product of their labor need to start a communist revolution so that they too can throw off the yolk of design patterns and write 20 level nested if statements
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Jan 17, 2023 22:24
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:10x programmer spotted
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Jan 17, 2023 22:28
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Keep in mind that games are designed to ship and be done. Boring CRUD apps might need to work for 10 years, always being extended by scores of junior programmers that barely know what they're doing. (So, arguably, senior programmers too). Design patterns are more valuable in those situations. And that's not even talking about how many design patterns are not super efficient, which is not ideal for games.
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Jan 17, 2023 22:29
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i don't personally feel like uv mapping code at all corresponds to generic "application" development where you are at best concerned with whether or not VendorReportGenerator2 should subclass VendorReportGenerator or if it's time to create the aforementioned AbstractVendorReportGenerstor so you can clean up ICreateReport, and you are more generally not understanding http and complaining about it + inventing things like tailwind css for no reason trying to think of any game code i have thumbs downed because it was bad architecturally and drawing a blank. the worst game thing i've seen and is someone live editing a production mmo database interactively without a backup
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Jan 17, 2023 22:30
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game design reached its peak with rct and it's been downhill ever since
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12 rats tied together posted:i can empathize with being perennially infuriated by a stupid take it is amazing when programmers can come up with a worse take than gamers bob dobbs is dead posted:you ok? never have been, never will be
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Jan 17, 2023 22:53
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it's possible to spend too much time bike shedding about clean code it's also possible to dislike spaghetti code for the very practical reason that you've wasted a lot of time trying to make sense of it and fix bugs in it this doesn't mean that people don't think that games that have spaghetti code are fun to play and cool or something
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Jan 17, 2023 22:56
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tef posted:i can tell you're a person who has never used ham radio software i was agreeing with you bro. the point of my edit to your post was, what you said is true not only of game devs, but of devs in general
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Jan 17, 2023 23:05
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12 rats tied together posted:also they wont have done it all right, some of it will be wrong, and other parts of it will be a different, mutually exclusive type of wrong ah, so game engine devs are also just regular programmers
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Jan 17, 2023 23:08
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I don't think most people poo poo on gamedev like they do on webdev (which is plenty obsessed with ~design patterns~ everywhere) and whoever does probably didn't try doing it themselves
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Jan 17, 2023 23:26
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i think gamedev's shifting a little bit due to live games becoming such a norm and wanting to try to have "platforms" to maintain and build on. sometimes this works out well (fornite), sometimes just-well-enough to keep releasing content with a bunch of known limitations (destiny 2, ffxiv 2.0+), sometimes it goes hilariously awry to the point that the game is no longer considered a viable platform to extend and needs to be scrapped (halo infinite, ffxiv 1.0) it's also why you're seeing the most "startup-like" game engineering coming from the free to play mobile world, all those games are similar web apis with different frontends
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Jan 17, 2023 23:48
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what's the story with halo infinite? apart from it being boring (source: I tried playing it for 15 minutes)
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the most exciting thing about dealing with 10 years of "devops" making its way to games is having to explain to people that we can't continuously deliver the game because in order to get it shipped to consoles we have to email some rear end in a top hat at microsoft and wait 2 weeks for approval
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12 rats tied together posted:the most exciting thing about dealing with 10 years of "devops" making its way to games is having to explain to people that we can't continuously deliver the game because in order to get it shipped to consoles we have to email some rear end in a top hat at microsoft and wait 2 weeks for approval you definitely can continuously email someone at microsoft
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there was some game years ago where they padded the iso file (or whatever) with crap from the devs HDD and it bundled a load of porn or idk, thumbs.db containing porn or something and it was an outrage and they had to recall and shred all the discs because of course you couldn't fix that poo poo post release
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:what's the story with halo infinite? halo infinite is a really weird story and i maybe shouldn't have put it on there. basically they built a new engine for it and then, around the time of the e3 trailer everyone made fun of in 2020, were talking up halo infinite as "the platform for the next 10 years of halo." now, to their credit, they did explicitly say it is "not a live game." but on the other hand, i'm not sure what the gently caress else "the platform for the future of halo" is supposed to mean - they did basically say "we think future updates to the halo story will be part of something called halo infinite" and i have no idea how the gently caress to read that as "not a live game" anyways since it came out in 2021 the only poo poo that has been added to it is stuff that was supposed to be in at launch (campaign co-op and forge). so i have no idea what the gently caress is going on there. maybe they will reveal new halo campaign dlc next week at microsoft's big gaming stream, or maybe they'll reveal Halo Infinite 2, or maybe they'll fire the entirety of 343 industries in tomorrow's layoffs, anything is possible
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i used to work with a guy who had the shenzhen i/o job in real life and he had tons of horror stories about writing the hot loop too hot and frying the only test PCB + having to wait a month for the factory to ship a replacement devops and ci/cd is cool and all but it's good not to forget that it can only exist on top of a large workforce of extremely skilled individuals who know how to make the internet work or how to plug 600 computers in inside the same building without catching it on fire or causing some other type of disaster
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Jeoh posted:game design reached its peak with rct and it's been downhill ever since if you mean openrct2 which adds network multiplayer then agreed
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I worked on a very popular game that’s been around for a decade+ and we had at one point years ago a team called CUTS - clean up this poo poo they did great work and the code base is mostly readable but it was a goddamn nightmare before then
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Jan 18, 2023 11:44
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Feisty-Cadaver posted:I worked on a very popular game that’s been around for a decade+
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12 rats tied together posted:i can empathize with being perennially infuriated by a stupid take and yet you post
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Feisty-Cadaver posted:I worked on a very popular game that’s been around for a decade+ and we had at one point years ago a team called CUTS - clean up this poo poo cleaning up crufty code is so drat fun, I’d love this job
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Cold on a Cob posted:cleaning up crufty code is so drat fun, I’d love this job it's fun to do as a treat, but i dunno if i'd really want to do it full time. that's gotta be draining
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redleader posted:it's fun to do as a treat, but i dunno if i'd really want to do it full time. that's gotta be draining the folks on that team (not me) were absolute loving rockstars cuz they were doing that work while also having to deal with patch releases every 2 weeks. it is a miracle that team was successful, but good on them - things got _so much better_ after they had put in ~18 months work
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imagine what the dwarf fortress code is like
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