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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




'tis thread for general programming chat, but also learning environment and sandbox for any topics in or around programming, without prejudice - however silly or irrelevant any given idea may feel

please mind a few things, namely:

1) forum and yospos rules
2) dont be jerk to people just because they do a coding thing
3) mind your ciclejerks, a lot of this thread is serious questions and advice given

last thread - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3836929

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jul 31, 2018

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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




mystes posted:

Sorry, the thread title must contain at least one number and at least one emoji.

will be added in next version, wontfix

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Gazpacho posted:

What’s mcafee up to now??

last i heard it was selling cryptocoin startup tweets for $100k a pop

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




im just being terrible coworker and audibly giggling as the fallout from deleted prod database seeps in

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




for reference, dude currently deemed responsible for the deletion was adamantly against having a dba or taking some control off laravel orm

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Shaggar posted:

giving developers access to a database is a bad idea.

you and me and our dwh team. not the rest of our organisation, however. it’s a necessarily evil in my opinion, but it’s completely unregulated here, with widely ranging consequences

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Corla Plankun posted:

is this the one you posted about saving to disk like 16 hours ago or is this a different vulnerable prod database?

different, new product that just launched. yesterday i was saving to disk all custom tables from our dwh (mostly created by my team manually), since the information was that there are no backups and normal etl process would naturally not regenerate them

now, as it turns out, there are alleged backups for all servers, and allegedly they've already restored that prod database from the nightly backup. but, the data size there should be just a few hundred megabytes yet the replica has not propagated yet for some reason? tomorrow is going to be a funny morning i feel

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Toady posted:

why are there two terrible programming threads

there are?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Toady posted:

yeah, there's always two programming threads for some reason. i guess it's the current hipste

oh thats the theory of being bad thread, here we are just bad

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




i mean i for sure am, im not sure what half of yall are hiding from here

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




actually the other programming thread is just maven mailing list

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




gonadic io posted:

like is that it? end of the company?

nah, it’s a new recently launched product that is our attempt to expand into a different field of our industry, so it’s not the end of the world by any means. worst case scenario we will incur direct losses in low six digits of usd - in case the nightly backup was yet another spur of the moment lie or unfinished feature

too early to tell right now since when we discovered the problem it was 9pm in our it timezone

it’s just funny, in a sad way, to watch crisis scenario happen after being softly told to gently caress off with process improvement proposal aimed at remediation of such problems

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




another cjs: our developers on a different product don’t know why double digit % of records in one of they key tables of their database have their updated_at field changed each night when the records otherwise are unaltered

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Powerful Two-Hander posted:

agreedo

we are all waiting for what manner of fuckup will occur off the back of multiple years of "IT spend too much money you're on a hiring freeze, no replacememts" which means that we have multiple globally critical apps supported by literally one person that knows what they're doing and if they're lucky maybe a grad or intern

already there was one semi critical fuckup attributed to "steve was on holiday" lol

we currently also have “our it is being overwhelmed by tasks so we have hired student interns with access to our prod to solve problems” while cto is busy double time to hire as many of his friends into his team and take as many critical developments on them as possible to make him politically irreplaceable before the poo poo of corporate reorganisation hits his fan :thunk:

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




also we have no docs for anything so if any developer team leader is on vacation then it’s “boss knows but is vacationing” season

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

at least that skips the step where you look up the doc, read it, and then realize that the actual design has changed completely since then and no one bothered to update the doc

god drat it :negative:

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Share Bear posted:

i really like python ive found it very easy to work with and get stuff done in as long as i never ever have to deploy it outside one specific environment

now i have to deploy it outside that env and gotta figure out conda or venvs, cant deploy a full containerized thing

if you dep to windows the conda env is an option, otherwise (and maybe in general) check out pipenv, it’s the new hotness

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Soricidus posted:

is where i stopped reading

enjoy platform-agnostic python deployment planning i guess

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




MrMoo posted:

I saw this on Twitter, I think it applies to any JS thing not just React,



im dying

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




DaTroof posted:

if you wanna be overpaid to make the world worse go into fintech

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




refleks posted:

terrible programmer checking in. aksually im a DATA SCIENTIST which means i do data and the sciences thereof or thereto.

also you should use pipenv to handle your python environments to keep you sane - to whoever was asking earlier.

hey data science pipenv club

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




as for phd i kinda want to do it at some point, partially as personal challenge, and partially due to higher profile data science positions being fond of it as a credential. it helps that in eu phd is 3-4, seldom 5 year affair with guaranteed stable salary in any decent place, but that salary is still pennies compared to commercial rates and im not sure about the opportunity cost.

before that, however, i should sort my masters degree and health out at the very least

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




refleks posted:

represent. were you also in denmark or just near here?

other baltic coast, latvia

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




i did smoke danish cigarettes way back if that counts

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




refleks posted:

Same poo poo - in america we would be the two closes cities in the midwest

it’s one day car drive due to existence of Poland but less than 2 hours by plane yeah

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




HoboMan posted:

also thank you cinci for doing the needful and making a new thread. it had been almost 6 months since the last thread got in a tabs v spaces slapfight

sapozhnik was displeased with my thread title, had to compensate

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




re: dropped prod database. turns out a team lead confused two projects and thought he was in the test environment of project B, when he was in prod environment of project A. thankfully there were actual nightly backups and everything was restored in order fashion, sans literally a dozen primary licence keys being invalidated

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Boiled Water posted:

and the backup works as well? wonders never cease

weirdly enough i only had to remind twice about broken replication, otherwise it did work as advertised

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

lol @ having a database schema , what a peasant


for real this place has soured me on ever wanting to deal with data in a serious way. i am way the gently caress over data forever.

no longer friends with male shoegaze, now shaggar is my best friend

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

honestly i don't want to touch a database ever again. mongo is so bad.

i'm sure i'll have to use a sql database again and i'm sure it will be better than mongo but if anyone ever tries to make me use nosql for anything that is not a great use case for nosql i am going to say no, sql. sql only.

:hai: mongon't

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




as a data scientist in europe, the paycheck bit is true but with physics degree i don’t feel confidently competitive (wrt “hard skills”) with folks who have degree in math or stats or bioinformatics or something like that. cs degree in data science is more of a red flag, honestly, unless it’s a machine learning specifically (and even then it’s debatable) - there’s noticeable stigma that cs graduate have tunnel vision and need to be herded around.

also all the creme de la creme positions here (six european figgies) prefer, if not require, a phd. ive not seen many positions that outright require a phd, but it is very common for phd to be seen as equivalent of 3-5 years of professional data science experience

but this is eu, mostly eastern/northern

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




gonadic io posted:

Lol I studied monads, complex analysis, graph theory, and crypto and not much else in my math degree. Better watch out I'm coming for all your stats jobs!

please no :negative:

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




returning to topic of job scheduling: anyone knows alternatives to rundeck? my job needs a gui shell for cron jobs with basic tooling like logging or execution emails, since one of our senior developers still doesn’t know how to work with ssh tunnels or command line linux

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




it’s literally to janitor 1 machine and i can’t be arsed to spend a week reconfiguring rundeck and fixing process leak (it’s basically “threads away” and whoops you have 3rd of your ram occupied by ~something~)

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Corla Plankun posted:

how often do they need to be rescheduled/tinkered with? it sounds like Luigi might be need-suiting maybe

the most common use cases are to

1) read log after failed execution
2) manually run the job before schedule

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Mao Zedong Thot posted:

Fire ur Sr developer that can't be assed to do their job

ive made my comments about this at work already but the reality is that his core job he is doing exceptionally well, he just has only windows experience

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




tef posted:

i'm just mad all the time

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




it’s not that bad, i just with everything related to
computers was different at my work

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




normally this is the case where you curl up and succumb to the sweet embrace of the void

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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




c cron gui replacement gui update s:

me: here i found you option to do the same but this one is used by real and reputable people
sr: no but this piece of poo poo with have systematic problems with was used at the last job so ill try to work around it or ask you to janitor it if everything fails. thanks for looking

:suicide:

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Jul 25, 2018

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