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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
i predict that in 15 years we'll have run out of shitlangs and we will be forced into mocking a larger variety of poo poo things

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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
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Share Bear posted:

no someone at alphabet will have made a decent solution to javascripts problems but not addressed that browser apis also change

sounds like us being forced to mocking a larger variety of poo poo things :thunk:

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
a phd is a job
it is basically the worst job in technology. comparable to first line it helpdesk in pay, but somehow more menial and alienating and like 50 times difficult

go get your masters friendo

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
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tef posted:


anyway yes gently caress queues, especially persistent or transactional ones, they're just lovely databases

Doesn't postgres have a pubsub

Is it like mongo vs. postgres where postgres is a better document db than the actual document db

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
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jit bull transpile posted:

I have an actual product idea but it would be subscription based and I'd want to HQ in Milwaukee instead of the stupid sf bay so it's doomed from the start probably.

what's the price point?
if you would be doing individual 500k/yr deals, then yeah it's doomed
$25/mo, maybe not

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
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jit bull transpile posted:

Its an app meant for families and yeah I was thinking like 10 and 25 buck a month tiers based in what features they want.

b2c is terrible and people are awful
i wish you the best of luck

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

Share Bear posted:

ctps: trying to figure out the best way to refactor some blobs of python and java ive been molding into applications for others use. i reuse the same python modules i've made a lot but havent made them into a library yet, so i end up reworking the same files from git into new scripts.

users only care about the end points i make and not the code. i don't know what good design is, and i've been heavily influenced by poo poo like higher order perl to make everything static functions or map/reduces with as few externalities as possible, so i don't really know what to do to make everything more... java-y or pythonic or whatever. i don't think it matters?

anyone who can write readable perl can write readable python and java

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
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Sapozhnik posted:

I've recently had cause to poke around in the Windows Driver Framework

it's.... surprisingly not-bad????

being good as gently caress on drivers is how windows won 1990-2005

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:

yeah i looked up and the election thread was closed at 14088 pages and tehre are like 50 thousand trump pages combined across all threads

metafilter also has about 40% of their comment volume talkin orange dipshit now

it's the fate of all internet things just as it is now the fate of all the world

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

MALE SHOEGAZE posted:

well, it's true.


i had a phone screen tonight for an MIT-based startup being run by basically children. they had no idea what they were doing but their product is completely insane and i love it.

it's "task based" and way underpays but it requires literally no investment on my part so imna go for it because i have no responsibilities or concerns and it sounds fun and i might get paid and i'll get to put rust on my resume.

if i feel exploited i'll just stop.

narrator: he was, he didn't.

what is it

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
you can get it's its delivered anywhere in the lower 48
$22 for a 24-case. $60 shipping

https://www.itsiticecream.com/products/ice-cream

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
could also be apple

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
yay :yotj:

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
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https://www.vox.com/first-person/2018/6/4/17424666/russian-journalist-who-faked-death-arkady-babchenko

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/30/faking-your-own-death-takes-work--and-lots-of-cash.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/philippines/articles/philippines-the-global-leader-for-faking-own-death/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Playing-Dead-Elizabeth-Greenwood/dp/1476739331

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
etl as the word was most popular in the mid to late 90's

etl the activity is getting to its zenith of popularity now

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

NihilCredo posted:

is there a unit testing book that will teach me how to structure an invoicing system in such a way that I can test that it won't apply the wrong VAT rate when an invoice is created, edited, modified, or duplicated, even if the VAT rate for a product changes at some point?


i read 7 unit testing books so far and haven't found one that does that. seconding the request

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

we use phabricator at work and i'll never go back

phab is good as hell but they note right there on their front page that they use php so "even babies and dogs can contribute (with supervision)"

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

Blinkz0rz posted:

you ain't kidding i just checked and our aws spend last month was $1.3m and that's one of the cheaper months we've had lately

this is total cost of about 10 computer touchers

if you save more than 10 computer touchers time on what you get, that's a positive on the balance sheet

if that $1.3m includes some big-rear end db boxes, that's like a whole computer toucher to deal with its poo poo, just for example

by being completely and totally commoditized and ruthlessly competitive with the knowledge that it's completely commoditizable and it's ok to commoditize it, this sort of cloudshit is one of the only places where capitalism unironically and completely works. also its mostly b2b so the peeps on both sides of the transaction are p. hard to victimize

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

Corla Plankun posted:

drat dude where you at that a computer toucher pulls down 130k monthly

ah gently caress, monthly, missed that

100, then

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

Boiled Water posted:

if you like me is a terrible dba who just need the database to work then it's amazing

that's all, i don't know how to continue this argument

all cloud rdbms dealios do that tho

azure sql good as hell, goog sql also good as hell, rdb also good as hell

special poo poo remains special. redshift best columnar db (they all suck), only good distributed-as-gently caress transactional db is spanner, goog has by far best ml poo poo, only one with deec windows support is azure (ofc)

also, azure's naming is somehow good despite it being microsoft, amazon's is dog poo poo, goog is ok

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Aug 17, 2018

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
ime its still verbose w/ the type inference cuz you need to deal with the rest of javaworld

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
consulting is a tech sales job where the thing you sell is peeps

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
1. do weekly invoicing
2. invoice for highest you can get away with minus one dollar

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
the cto of the place i'm at was high up at microsoft
dragged like 9 of his microsoft buddies to shore up a previously-10-peep engineering team. they do honestly better work than the old peeps cuz it turns out tech majors (former tech majors, i guess?) have hiring standards. i was another student of the prof whose spinoff this is so i got in by nepotism (lol no)

we use postgres and goog cloud, lol. by cto's choice

(but we use c# and vs2017)

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
its good but it's been blown away in market share by git cuz it's not really better, except for the ui, which is only marginally better

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

tef posted:

it's me the guy who thinks adoption happens for technical reasons

you gotta satisfice on the technical reasons and the ruthless cutthroat competition happens for social reasons

git and mercurial and bazaar and darcs and fossil and poo poo all do the dvcs thing well, with varying crappiness of ui. dvcs is materially leaps and bounds better than rcs, cvs, tfs and svn, as a class. after that they fought like jackals on the social side and git won

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
isn't sed also turing-complete

e: yes
http://www.catonmat.net/blog/proof-that-sed-is-turing-complete/

looks like ls is actually not turing-complete, tho

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

MononcQc posted:

I am a user who always used hg but has been forced to use git out of tiredness of assholes asking to migrate all the things to git and github. It ended up being easier to to just switch than use software I like and think is good because of network effects and it is loving bad

also the command I can never use without doc is any of 'find' or 'tar' (if tar -xvf <tar.gz file> won't cut it)


E: I use find * | grep <pattern I am looking for>

ack-grep, silver surfer (ag-grep), ripgrep

pick one (ripgrep is your default, it's fastest)

tar is kind of a pain

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Sep 5, 2018

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
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eschaton posted:

the Haskell community should rewrite git in Haskell

and tell you to interact with the functions from the REPL to use it

darcs, you mean

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
the real benefit is to make "works on my machine, bub" unacceptable to say. of course, "works on my machine" may happen a lot still with docker, but it will happen in brave new ways and therefore you get to yell at the devs

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

fritz posted:

the wobblies have a general computer toucher union : https://www.iww.org/pt/unions/dept500/iu560 and there's these people: https://www.gameworkersunite.org but idk if they do anything

game workers unity don't do anything, they're like a complaining dealie

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

Symbolic Butt posted:

maybe in 30 years someone will find a neat application of octonions in programming, it'll be rad

they haven't found any applications in actual physics yet, wait until they do that

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
use a lang where 12-year-olds could understand the syntax. problem over

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

prisoner of waffles posted:

I think there's a real trend in CS pedagogy to ignore the fact that some people are gonna show up able to program rill gud and others are gonna show up having not really programmed before and to aim the class at the average (average, _not_ median) skill level: below the people who've already acquired some modicum of skill but well above everyone who is just learning.

there was a grad student in the intro cs class in the plutocrat school i went to who had programmed for 15 years of his 22 years of life, many of those years for actual money

he thought that they didn't let you in the upper div classes w/o the intro cs class

they actually do split it for undergrad (like they have heritage spanish classes, just "you know how to program a lil already" intro classes), but the classes are almost the same but it really seems to me that they should be materially different imo

self-learners would be the ones you stick into landau notation all day erryday initially, forex

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
i don't think this is true, you shouldn't have to ever look at the visage of cthulhu

it's me, i'm the fishman cultist

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
learning a greybeard text editor is one of the technical investments that will actually be reasonably guaranteed to pay dividends for at least the next few decades

emacs is 40 years old and still going, vim is 30 years old, still going, and that was a relatively smooth switchover from vi, which is 40 years old

there will be peeps who are writing poo poo in vim when we all die

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost

Finster Dexter posted:

rip anyone who has to git rebase -i

shaggar would unironically recommend a different vcs

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
unironic editor wars in tyool 2018

not that i didn't help start it but lol

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
Nap Ghost
everyone is convinced everyone is gonna stay on the page for 4 hours when the empirics say 6 seconds and 3 of those seconds is loading the bigass spa

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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

Peeps are idiots, Leslie.
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BIGFOOT EROTICA posted:

okay its me the terrible programmer. im writing some javascript (Actually CoffeeScript but whatever

done, we'll believe you're a terrible programmer now. you can get the statuette when you get out, the little id card is in the mail

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