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Fitting that the Tour de France is going on since Barry is also the greatest cyclist who is also the greatest baseball player of all-time.
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https://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/4845/baseball-between-the-numbers-what-do-statistics-tell-us-about-steroids/quote:By this definition, Power Spikes have been neither any more nor When you account for park and league effects, the power spike during the period when Bonds was setting records and a lot of other players had home run rate spikes (94-04) compared to the previous era (86-93) of baseball is basically the same thing statistically that has happened during various eras in baseball history. tadashi fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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Ginette Reno posted:I'm torn on how much steroids help because on the one hand only Bonds did what Bonds did so clearly that wasn't all or even mostly steroids but on the other you've got people like Greg Vaughn and Brady Anderson having 50 home run seasons. So what the hell Statistical outliers happen all the time, though. MLB players are freak athletes compared to the general population. Home runs are just one metric to measure outliers, too. Darin Erstad had a .951 OPS in 2000 for a 137 OPS+ but never made it back to the 100 OPS+ plateau again. Plenty of players have the potential to be good, they just don't have the consistency to be good.
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Aug 17, 2018 15:04
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Ginette Reno posted:Of course, but it's just you don't often see those random monster home run years any more. At least not from scrubs. Maybe the balls were juiced too in the 90s, or other explanations exist. That's what I'm saying. Brady Anderson wasn't a scrub. Dean Palmer was smaller (by weight but the same height) than he was and he had multiple 35+ HR seasons during that span. If I'm not mistaken, 1996 is one of the years that baseball writers love to unpack when they're short on ideas just because it's so packed with "Can you believe this guy did this?" moments. Terry Steinbach hit 36 HR after being a 10-15 guy his whole career. 1996 marked a career high in HR for a bunch of players and a lot of players were in their peak seasons for HR. It's a really fun year to fall down the rabbit hole for.
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Popete posted:Yeah I'm not sure I buy into it just being statistical outliers when you're talking about multiple guys hitting 60+ homeruns. It's just not a thing you see happen anymore or before that time. In this line of thinking, the reason we pay so much attention to what happened during the PED era is probably just the raw, and out of context, numbers of home runs. If earlier eras of baseball had 162 game seasons, we'd have a lot more 60+ HR seasons. Hack Wilson (56 in '30) Jimmie Foxx (58 in '32) - he hit 5 HR across the final 5 games of the season Hank Greenburg (58 in '38) Ralph Kiner (54 in '49) So it [airquote]could[/airquote] have happened 3 times in a decade in the '30s if they had more games. Kiner and Wilson would have been tough to pull-off but, in addition to the extra games, you have to consider that extra games also would mean more stress on pitchers so it's possible their HR pace would have improved. Expansion pitching is a real thing and you can see it when you look at what happened in the late '70s. It usually comes with inflated batting stats. That doesn't make anybody innocent but it does mean that a whole lot of players who were hitting 50+ HR around the turn off the century weren't just getting extra help in the gym - pitching was bad and just getting hot during a few games a year in Mile High Stadium/Coors field could go a long way. Also, notice that a lot of the guys who were hitting home runs in the high 50s or low 60s were in batter friendly environments: Griffey, JR, in the Kingdome Sosa in Chicago McGwire was in the NL Central ARod in New York/AL East Ortiz in Boston/AL East Brady Anderson in Baltimore/AL East Thome in Cleveland The only outlier, by park factors, I can really find are Greg Vaughn and Andruw Jones. Jones was an established 35+ HR hitter and Vaughn had done the same, so I don't think they are outliers in terms of their own home run hitting ceilings. You can probably find plenty of guys who had a season where their peak HR season was roughly ~20% higher than their average. Like I said, it doesn't make anyone more or less guilty of doing something wrong, I just think people put way too much emphasis on the PEDs. Especially since players had been using PEDs since the 60s, that we know of.
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