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Just finished up the season, random thoughts. Doggett is still my favorite character, and I wish she could have had more screen time after she got back to prison instead of just kinda fizzling out. It's interesting to see her character now and remember that she was the big bad in season 1. Giving the one Russian character a very Trump-like hairstyle and talking about fake news was a little on the nose. I didn't mind Badison as much as everyone else, it seems. She might have played better if they showed how she made the transition from fuckup who gets bullied to Carol's top soldier. Young Carol and Barbara are somehow even more cartoonishly evil than Vee, but 100x more entertaining to watch. Gloria is by far the easiest character to root for. Boo being presumably written out of the series before we learn why she's in prison is a tragedy. I know it's asking a lot for Linda, Hellman (bald guard), and the ringleader cop to all suffer a horrible fate next season, but holy gently caress would it be satisfying.
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Hakkesshu posted:People keep praising season 4 but that was the season where they had the serial killer guard who forced Maritza to eat a mouse because of PTSD which was probably the first time I went "gently caress this show, it's complete trash" Was that Hellman that did that, one of the guards that’s still around post-riot? By now I don’t really recall what guards did poo poo to which inmates and vice-versa. I know McCulloch had her PTSD side-story... One thing that’s okay is that for all the stupid, uncaring and corrupt poo poo Luschek does, he still has these moments of being a not 100% awful guy, like when he asked how Gloria’s son was
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LadyPictureShow posted:Was that Hellman that did that, one of the guards that’s still around post-riot? By now I don’t really recall what guards did poo poo to which inmates and vice-versa. I know McCulloch had her PTSD side-story... Nah, it was Humph's who did that, and he died. Shot by Daya and then given an aneurysm by Kukudio. I'm not sure exactly how he died in the end though. (And, for the record, he didn't force Maritza to eat a mouse because of PTSD. He and Maritza had a whole power play thing going on and he didn't like being deprived of power -- part of the same escalation that convinced him it was a good idea to bring a loaded gun into the prison. Humphs was just a psychopath who wanted to abuse people, and who placed with Litchfield because his wave of guards weren't properly trained and vetted.)
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Jul 31, 2018 15:22
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Did you forget that all the guards were explicitly veterans? I thought it was super gross.
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Hakkesshu posted:Did you forget that all the guards were explicitly veterans? I thought it was super gross. Some, not all. Bailey definitely wasn't.
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LadyPictureShow posted:One thing that’s okay is that for all the stupid, uncaring and corrupt poo poo Luschek does, he still has these moments of being a not 100% awful guy, like when he asked how Gloria’s son was
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Jul 31, 2018 19:11
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Doppelganger posted:Yeah, he isn't a violent sadist like most of the other guards, but he's most certainly not a good person. Luschek's assholery comes from him being a lazy, apathetic manchild. I laughed my rear end off when he showed up in a DeLorean
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Regarding Black Cindy, So they're going to milk another season out of the fact that they never resolved the cover up over Piscatella's death? It really bothered me that Cindy didn't say something, and when she lost her nerve I figured it would come down to Suzanne to inevitably squeal. Caputo is the only one suspicious but he doesn't have much pull and his Columbo skills are lacking. His taste in porn is also questionable. I guess it comes from Cindy's backstory of being a compulsive liar of omission.
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Jul 31, 2018 20:42
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Panfilo posted:Regarding Black Cindy, Might be the basis for a retrial next season.
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Did enjoy the shoutout to Blackwing pencils.
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I'm not sure exactly when they filmed this season but holy poo poo was the introduction of ICE timely. That made me so loving mad.
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Rarity posted:I'm not sure exactly when they filmed this season but holy poo poo was the introduction of ICE timely. That made me so loving mad. them getting herded onto an ICE bus after being told they were getting out kinda gave me the same feeling as a handmaidens tale, just loving pure dread and sadness gently caress this i can't watch Goast fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Aug 2, 2018 |
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Goast posted:them get herded onto an ICE bus after being told they were getting out kinda gave me the same feeling as a handmaidens tale, just loving pure dread and sadness gently caress this i can't watch Yeah, they pulled that off so drat well and it hit me like a ton of bricks. Especially after earlier in the season Diablo telling Blanca about his worries he might get deported before she's released.
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Aug 1, 2018 22:37
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I mean, technically they were releasing her... from the country 
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Finale What happened to Blanca when she thought she was about to be released? I saw someone mention it was ICE taking her - did I miss something there? Was that just a complete surprise? I didn't think she was an illegal in the first place.
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Phenotype posted:Finale What happened to Blanca when she thought she was about to be released? I saw someone mention it was ICE taking her - did I miss something there? Was that just a complete surprise? I didn't think she was an illegal in the first place. She got put in a separate line and stuck into a bus by people wearing ICE jackets then they unveil that the prison company is moving into running ICE detainment camps. Diablo had also expressed concern about getting deported and the whole time she was in the US she was just working for this old rich lady.
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Phenotype posted:Finale What happened to Blanca when she thought she was about to be released? I saw someone mention it was ICE taking her - did I miss something there? Was that just a complete surprise? I didn't think she was an illegal in the first place. The set it up, just not explicitly. Ali Ahn's FBI agent suggests there's something off about her documentation at the end of episode three this season, which is why Blanca gets left behind in Block A at the end of that episode. And when Blanca does turn up again, she's suddenly motivated to have a baby because she figures it'll help her stay in the US (she gets the idea during the sequence where Morello gets to cut the queue to commissary). I'm sure there are other hints as well, but those were the ones I noticed.
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Shouldn't that have been NOT a surprise, though? It felt like just fifteen minutes earlier she was telling Diablo she was coming home. Shouldn't they have told her she's being transferred to ICE rather than released? I know the answer might be "yes, but they didn't because gently caress the prisoners." How is it handled IRL when an illegal immigrant commits a crime? Do they serve out their sentence and then get deported? It feels like Blanca should have known she wasn't going home. E: sorry if I'm being dense, stayed up too late last night for the finale and watched it in bed kinda nodding off.
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Noonsaliwah posted:Most bothersome case of this for me is the fat guard who gets his moment to shine as a stand-up friend and pretty good guy. Can the audience please forget that in a previous series he revealed that he used to make kids juggle grenades and raped/murdered a girl. Actually, I liked this because it feels like one of the themes of the show. The female guard talks about it at one point - the prisoners were evil people who took her hostage, but they're also regular people just trying to get through the day. It's an interesting parallel. Fat guard did lovely things in Afghanistan, but he's not constantly doing lovely things always, he cares about his friends and is just trying to improve his life at this point. So is he a monster?
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I speed rewatched S5 (IE skipping Piper/Alex scenes, Linda scenes, and the methheads stuff) and wow there was a bunch of stuff I’d forgotten that leads up to S6 A few things that tied in: -Aleida’s guard boyfriend from S6 is in charge of the cordon outside of the prison, and when she starts cussing them out he looks at her and just goes ‘...you’re magnificent’. -I forgot Sophia surrendered herself to the outside guards, and that’s why she was in Max, but not taken in with everyone else A few things I’d forgotten but made me laugh: Piscatella’s competitive table-scape hobby, and when they’re showing family/loved ones outside the cordon, Diablo and Leanne’s mother are next to each other and she sees one of his tattoos. ‘You are religious?’ ‘Yep. Church of Satan, ma’am.’
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Open Source Idiom posted:The set it up, just not explicitly. Ali Ahn's FBI agent suggests there's something off about her documentation at the end of episode three this season, which is why Blanca gets left behind in Block A at the end of that episode. And when Blanca does turn up again, she's suddenly motivated to have a baby because she figures it'll help her stay in the US (she gets the idea during the sequence where Morello gets to cut the queue to commissary). I'm sure there are other hints as well, but those were the ones I noticed. Pretty sure Blanca wanting to get pregnant was due to her fear that she was going to be too old to have a baby by the time she got out
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Davros1 posted:Pretty sure Blanca wanting to get pregnant was due to her fear that she was going to be too old to have a baby by the time she got out Not age. She talks to a doctor in one scene and he tells her she has some condition where she's losing eggs "exponetially" and won't be able to conceive soon.
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Re: Finale Yeah, I never got the impression either that the idea that she might get deported was even on Blanca's mind.
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Aug 2, 2018 15:32
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So this is the last season, right? Please be the last season.
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7 has been confirmed since S4, so  but with how 6 ended, 7 would be a good place to go out probably.
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LadyPictureShow posted:Am I the only one that likes Gloria because she’s pretty much 100% the most level-headed one in the entire series? esperterra posted:Yeah Gloria is one of the best characters on the show, she has such a great rapport with literally anyone they pair her up with for scenes and it owns. jfood posted:no, Gloria legit owns. I like it when she gets to be happy. Thanks, was starting to worry I was the only one who really liked Gloria. Seems like the wacky characters get way more love and attention, when Gloria has been a badass from Day 1.
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This definitely felt like a penultimate season to me and also Gloria owns these are my contributions thank you for reading
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So Lorna's gonna go full batshit next season, right?
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Oh, she definitely lost the baby
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The climax of the finale was dumb as hell. Oh they're really into kickball huh? Mmhmm sure. Piper was right all along I guess people love kickball if only we all lived like white hipsters we could get along. The rest of the episode was great.
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Are we still doing spoiler tags? This season's been out for a week now and I think anyone who's made it to the third page of this thread deserves to be spoiled if they haven't finished watching. I have a lot of thoughts on all of season 6 and would prefer to avoid a giant, black wall of text. Mods, please let me know if I need to put spoilers on all of this: I finished this latest season a few days ago and have been gathering my thoughts. Like most people in this thread I thought this season was just ok. Not the worst OITNB has been but certainly not the best. Coming off of the riot and shaking up the status quo by sending the main characters to Max should have injected new energy into the series but the show creators didn't do much with it and there was too much screen time spent on plots that ultimately go nowhere or end up half-baked at best. For me the worst was the feud between the sisters/conflict between the cell blocks. This was supposed to be the cornerstone of character interaction this season and I could tell that the show creators wanted to really play up the “gang war” aspect but the show never demonstrated why Barb and Carol were the boss of their blocks or why anyone would want to follow them. This was the point where the show was doing a lot of telling us that Barb and Carol are BAD NEWS but not doing anything to show us why/how. Also from watching way too much of “Locked Up” on Netflix, I find it very hard to believe that everyone would choose to identify by cell block only (Blues vs. Khaki) and just forget all about racial lines. Everything I've seen and heard about actual prison makes this hard to believe. They tried to throw in something about “haves” vs. “have nots” where one of the blocks had better facilities which was a realistic source of tension but they don't go anywhere with this other than a throw-away line or two about “Oh, they have tv here”. Ultimately I didn't feel like this season had a message or anything it was trying to make a statement on. Not that every show has to but for a show that contains plenty of hot-button topics I was expecting some kind of takeaway. Maybe the message is: “The system is ultimately unfair to some people and no matter what anyone does that won't change” (See Taystee's plot) or maybe the message was “Bad things happen to everyone regardless of who you are as a person or the choices you make” (see Red and Gloria ending up next to each other in SHU, Gloria for trying to stop a gang war and expose the guard's fantasy game, Red for choosing her revenge over her family). I guess my ultimate takeaway was “People eventually get tired of other people's poo poo and just want to play kickball”. Here are some random thoughts I have: -I was initially annoyed that Nicky kept being a dick to her dad at a time she desperately needed his help but seeing her flashbacks broke my heart for her and made me understand the vitriol she has for him. -I enjoyed Frieda's evolution this season. After last season I thought she was a badass with her secret bunker. I was cheering her on while she was stealing chemicals to bleach her hair and fooling the FBI guy. But bit by bit they revealed that its her nature to betray anyone for her own benefit. By the end of the season I thought Carol and Red were justified in their revenge (I never figured out why Barb wanted her dead, though). -The (minor) fake-out in episode 1 totally fooled me. I was literally thinking to myself “It's really good of the prison to give Suzanne's mom this much access to her while she's being questioned and stuff.” Then a few minutes later... -I was very happy to be rid of the meth twins. Too bad they were almost immediately replaced with the blond pill-popping twins, who thankfully had little screen time other than fiending and glaring at Daya. -What happened to the short-hair lesbian (Can't remember her name) that Piper had a love triangle with that she sent down to Max? Was she ever even mentioned? I thought that could have been an interesting source of tension/revenge that could have given Piper and Alex something to do. I guess she was transferred to another facility (the truth is that the actress is probably doing other projects)? -Speaking of Alex and Piper, wow they were the worst this season. Not bad but just boring. You can tell that the show has evolved and become more of an ensemble when the main characters are the most boring with nothing to do. -I liked when Caputo and Figueroa were hooking up and hate-loving each other but not so much when they were trying to have a real relationship. I laughed out loud when Linda said Fig looks like a camel though. -I was weirded out when I saw Caputo meet with Healy. I guess I was mistaken but I thought the last time we had seen Healy was when he was walking out into the ocean at night. I thought he had killed himself. -I kinda like when there are weird and fun low-stakes plots like Nicky conspiring with Daya and Blanca to try to get Blanca pregnant. But why, oh, why did Blanca and Daya try to hand off the sperm/drugs while literally dancing around each other in front of everyone? The show already established that people can just come and go to the aerobics class as they please. Just both of you step out into the hallway and swap contraband. -I'm confused by some of the people in this thread talking about what's next for Taystee next season and looking forward to her appealing/Cindy finally coming through for her to get her conviction overturned. Uhh, I guess I interpreted it differently because from where I'm sitting there is no way they are doing that with her plot. Cindy's lawyer already spelled out the numerous reasons why Cindy couldn't tell the truth on the stand. I don't think her coming forward now (even with Suzanne) is going to do anything, especially since she already testified. Her coming forward would now reveal that she committed perjury. With Caputo getting punched out and Flaca convincing Cindy to 'hakuna matata' away her guilt-induced stomach pain I think Taystee's day in court is over. There is still some room for good drama if/when Taystee finds out the truth and blows up on Cindy though. And I know they found her guilty but did they mention if she got life in prison or the death penalty? Taystee on Death Row would be a heartbreaking place to take her plot next season. -What was the big deal about the guards having a fantasy betting pool? I get that it's in poor taste and the higher-ups should stop it (if they knew about it) but with Luschek saying “Ooo, I've heard legends about this, I didn't believe it was real”, and the black guard railing about how it was bad, seriously bad, basically as bad as slavery I was thinking “drat, take it down a few notches, this won't be the first or last time people bet on the actions of other people”. I did like the one guard explaining to Gloria that they are basically putting their lives on the line just coming to work everyday and this is how they deal with that. -Can someone help me figure out what happened with Piper's release? I think I might have missed a scene or forgotten an alliance but from what I could figure out: 1) Badison bribed her pet guard to file a false incident report on Piper. 2) Piper is now under Carol's protection and Badison tried to call it off but oh no, it's too late. 3) The guard who is inputting the data asks to make a small change to the final files. As the audience we are led to believe that Piper will be getting more time but instead the guard (Hellman?) throws away the false report and instead marks Piper as one of the people to be released early. I missed what his motivation was for this. Did he realize the report was bullshit? Why did he go out of his way to get Piper on the release list? -There were some good people and bad people this season but my ultimate MVP of season 6 is Mormon Guard Blake. After living through the riot he seems relatively normal. He was able to cut loose a little by giving into the sinful addictions of caffeine and weed and was really nice to Ruiz when she desperately needed it. He's doing a poo poo load better than McCullough is though. Here are my predictions for what will happen next season on OITNB: -Much like the last season of Oz, now that Piper is out she will absolutely do something stupid and illegal for Alex which will put her back in prison. This will be a new source of drama for our favorite couple. -Lorna will lose the baby and it will drive her (more) nuts. She will start carrying around something random and insist that it's her baby which will weird everyone out. -Red will be even more determined to kill Frieda but everyone around her is sick to death of her talking about it all the time. She will talk to Vasily on the phone (he refuses to visit) and he calls her a bad mother/baba. -Gloria realizes that she can get favors and perks because Luschek has a crush on her so she plays it up until she realizes that she has real feelings too, only for Luschek to find out her original motivation which makes him sad. -Badison will finally annoy everyone so much that someone kills her. I agree with everyone in this thread that she was the worst and should die.
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King of Foolians posted:They tried to throw in something about “haves” vs. “have nots” where one of the blocks had better facilities which was a realistic source of tension but they don't go anywhere with this other than a throw-away line or two about “Oh, they have tv here”. - One of the blocks had better jobs (packing cheese) that paid like 20x more than the other jobs. Then the rival block sabotaged that job and the prison lost the account for it. I do agree they didn't spend nearly enough time on the sisters. They would have had to set that one up all season. It was a good idea, just botched. - The fantasy pool was a corrupting influence that had the guards interfering all the time to make prisoners more miserable. Or just outright locking them together to try and provoke a cage match. The only reason they let the kickball game go on, even though it's clearly a terrible idea that will end in violence, is to score points. - You missed the scene where she gives the guy heroin that Badison planted on her and promises him that she'll find out what the source is. Since he's the source, he's getting rid of the nosy prisoner who might find him out by changing her number to get her released.
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Healy was going to commit suicide by walking into the water but then Caputo had called him at the last second about something happening in Litchfield and he went back. Caputo and Fig being together helps serve as contrasts about how they are both part of the same system but Caputo has strong enough convictions to actually put his rear end on the line while Fig cares but isn't going to do anything that compromises her career or image. Caputo telling Fig "So you finally bought that dress" was a very  moment. Linda is pure opportunistic evil and I really hope by combining forces Caputo and Fig can take her down next season.I missed what Cindy's Lawyer had said to her or why she needs to keep what she saw a secret. Caputo is really suspicious and he wasn't even there. I have a feeling it will be Suzanne that blows the lid off the whole thing next season. Carol and Barb managed to run their cell blocks by being hyper competitive with one another. This drove them to spend all their time building up their respective power bases. Both sisters wanted Freda dead because she was the reason they both got so much extra time. Earlier seasons did have race as a factor in rivalries. I think season 3 introduced Ruiz which also when minimum security gained a majority of Latinas which shook up the dynamic. Vee had taken nearly all the prominent black characters under her wing in the first few seasons. There were a group of white supremacists which were actually a disparate group of white women "I'm not a Nazi, I just want to make sure white people don't go extinct".
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King of Foolians posted:-What happened to the short-hair lesbian (Can't remember her name) that Piper had a love triangle with that she sent down to Max? Was she ever even mentioned? I thought that could have been an interesting source of tension/revenge that could have given Piper and Alex something to do. I guess she was transferred to another facility (the truth is that the actress is probably doing other projects)? She is mentioned early on, by Badison. She tells Piper that she heard about her from Stella, and that she’s been released (which seems like a very quick release, but she was due to be released almost immediately after she went to Max). It’s when Badison is trying to force Piper to fill her commissary, because Stella told her Piper has money
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I loved McCullough again this season. Why is her initial on her shirt B though? I thought her name was Artesian, the other guards make fun of her for it somewhere in season 4. Carol and Barb absolutely made this season for me, and the casting on their young versions is so loving spot on. Them and Young Lolly are easily the best. Speaking of Lolly I was excited for her to show up again but she was only there like twice. I didn't miss Maritza as much as I thought I would and apart from Boo the rest of the cast cuts are hardly even noticeable. Definitely glad to be rid of Angie and Leanne at last. Can't wait to see how more ridiculous they make Daya. She's so awful. I hope Red and Frieda make up  The ending really got to me, it was Diablo with his flowers that loving broke me. He's so sweet  Blanca deserves better than that ending.PostNouveau posted:Not age. She talks to a doctor in one scene and he tells her she has some condition where she's losing eggs "exponetially" and won't be able to conceive soon. That is age dude eating only apples fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Aug 3, 2018 |
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