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Eiba posted:...blatantly unrelated A plot and B plot through the whole thing. And I guess a C plot with Nacho for a while now... Blatantly unrelated? Jimmy, Mike, and Nacho's stories are all intertwined. It's what the show is about.
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Laterite posted:Blatantly unrelated? Jimmy, Mike, and Nacho's stories are all intertwined. It's what the show is about. Perhaps it's me just not remembering recent events well enough, but when was the last time Mike and Jimmy interacted at all? This is not to say I've got an issue with any of these stories, just that they were pretty unrelated, tonally and in terms of plot relevance.
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Aug 7, 2018 08:22
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:I didn't get it as being cold as much as Jimmy taking in the fact that he directly had an impact on Chuck's suicide. It was many words, but Howard is telling Jimmy that the thing that pushed Chuck to killing himself was Jimmy telling the insurance company about Chuck's condition. This moment is probably the true end of Jimmy McGill. With Irene last season when Jimmy saw the harm he had caused he took responsibility for his actions and made restitutions. He felt guilty and wanted to make it right. In this scene Jimmy recognizes the role he played in his brother's death, but this time he refuses responsibility, he refuses to accept guilt. That's a problem for someone else. He has taken to heart Chuck's parting advice. It's a breaking moment for him. If Jimmy had never learned of the insurance problem maybe he would have grieved his brother's death in a normal fashion. But this knowledge ends up confirming everything his brother had believed about him. Jimmy wanted to reconcile with his brother in the season 3 finale, but it was only after the damage had been done. Now he knows that Chuck was right, he will inevitably damage the people around him, so there is no point in feeling bad about it.
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Goddamn I am so happy this show is back. Mike showing up to work to do his job ruled, and Jimmy's reaction to Howard pouring his heart out did too.
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Eiba posted:Personally, it's not that they're bad storylines, but it's so weird for a whole serialized TV show to have such a blatantly unrelated A plot and B plot through the whole thing. And I guess a C plot with Nacho for a while now. When they actually interact at this point it's like an exciting crossover. At this point, after three seasons of little development with Jimmy and the character bearing no resemblance to the fun Breaking Bad version, I'm just tuning in for the Mike and Nacho storylines. It's not much but it's something.
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My favourite little touch is Jimmy being super into taking care of his fish. I need to go back and rewatch the last season finale to remind myself of Chuck's speech about Jimmy not feeling bad and how little Jimmy means to him then rewatch this and see how it sits as Jimmy goes through the motions.
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:I didn't get it as being cold as much as Jimmy taking in the fact that he directly had an impact on Chuck's suicide. It was many words, but Howard is telling Jimmy that the thing that pushed Chuck to killing himself was Jimmy telling the insurance company about Chuck's condition. I mean, yeah, I got that. But it was more that he didn't even try to comfort Howard. Before Howard said anything, Jimmy was silently blaming himself the entire episode, but Howard gave him a way out. Making Howard believe that he was responsible is his ultimate scam so far.
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Uh, Better Call Saul season 4 is currently $3 on Amazon.
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kefkafloyd posted:I mean, yeah, I got that. But it was more that he didn't even try to comfort Howard. Before Howard said anything, Jimmy was silently blaming himself the entire episode, but Howard gave him a way out. Making Howard believe that he was responsible is his ultimate scam so far. Is it a scam if it was unintentional, though? Seems like Jimmy's best-case outcome was "get Chuck fired, and teach him a lesson". But it ended up with Chuck killing himself. Does Jimmy think "Wow! poo poo I am good at this scam stuff!" ?
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This show becomes a million times better when you start skipping the scenes with Mike in them Mike is a great character played by a wonderful actor, but I absolutely cannot find it in me to give a flying gently caress about basically any story he's involved in. Everything to do with Saul feels like it's own show with it's own personality, but most of the Mike stuff feels like Breaking Bad 2: But Even Slower. I remember all the way back in the first season being like "????why am I watching this???" during the three minute long montage of Mike looking in cupboards and closets set to cool music. Tuco, similarly, is a character whose fate we know, along with Mike's. Whatever repercussions that story has on anything are already determined to be minimal. The Nacho/Gus stuff in this episode also just feels like it’s from a completely different show :/ The show and the fans really like Mike but man, they're just not giving him anything actually fun or interesting to do. Calico Heart fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Aug 7, 2018 12:58
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Data Graham posted:Is it a scam if it was unintentional, though? I'm not saying he's feeling good about it, it's just that's the effect of letting Howard believe he's responsible. He doesn't even put up a front, it's a straight up "Well sucks to be you" in the face of tragedy. It's actively choosing to be evil with no justification other than absolving himself of the full blame for the death of his brother. The death may be unintentional, but Jimmy had a choice to make when Howard revealed that, and he chose the dark one. It feels like a real point of no return for Jimmy, and he'll get away with it.
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kefkafloyd posted:I mean, yeah, I got that. But it was more that he didn't even try to comfort Howard. Before Howard said anything, Jimmy was silently blaming himself the entire episode, but Howard gave him a way out. Making Howard believe that he was responsible is his ultimate scam so far. Jimmy was silently blaming himself for Chuck dying the whole episode yes. But, up until that point though, Jimmy wasn't blaming himself for Chuck killing himself. Jimmy basically broke inside when finding out that Chuck both likely killed himself and it was because of Jimmy's actions with the insurance company. And what was he supposed to do at the point, say, "No it was my fault, I ratted chuck out to the insurance agency?"
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I love this show but I agree the Jimmy and Mike stuff is way too separate. And because supposedly Saul didn't even know who Gus was, I doubt they'll ever really intertwine. Jimmy will just start using Mike more for fixer type stuff on the side.
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I like the parallels between this and the Breaking Bad episode 506 “Buyout” in which after Walt tells Jessie he can take off early because he’s upset about the kid that they killed, Jessie hears Walt whistling as he returns to the lab to work. This is the moment Jessie realizes Walt is an unrepentant psychopath. In the same fashion, that push in on Kim looking horrified is probably the beginning of the end.
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Former Human posted:At this point, after three seasons of little development with Jimmy and the character bearing no resemblance to the fun Breaking Bad version, I'm just tuning in for the Mike and Nacho storylines. It's not much but it's something. Calico Heart posted:This show becomes a million times better when you start skipping the scenes with Mike in them Fight fight fight
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Watch this all be chucks great plan to catch jimmy cheating.
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I will say this, and it's something I never thought I'd say in the first season: Howard may be the most decent person in this show aside from Kim. I feel pretty bad for him.
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Goddamn that last line felt like such a significant step toward Saul Goodman. I love this so much.
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Nail Rat posted:I will say this, and it's something I never thought I'd say in the first season: Howard may be the most decent person in this show aside from Kim. I feel pretty bad for him. patrick fabian really has done a great job with that character - you dislike howard in part because jimmy hates him so much, then you progressively realize that that jimmy actually just hates himself and howard is generally a guy trying to do right
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:And what was he supposed to do at the point, say, "No it was my fault, I ratted chuck out to the insurance agency?" A normal human might have done that. A normal human also might have at least reassured Harry that it wasn't only his fault without going into specifics. Not Jimmy though. He responded by reinforcing Harry's feelings of personal guilt and then whistled happily to himself while he fed his fish. That was the biggest step toward being Saul the character has taken so far.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Uh, Better Call Saul season 4 is currently $3 on Amazon. Thanks for the heads up, just grabbed it!
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Uh, Better Call Saul season 4 is currently $3 on Amazon. It's just the first episode.
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Well Caesarian Sectarian, I guess that's just your cross to bear.
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Calico Heart posted:This show becomes a million times better when you start skipping the scenes with Mike in them Mike was given a fake job so he could launder money but was bored so he decided to actually do that fake job instead. The whole scene was confusing but had a great payoff when it was revealed what he was doing. I love that so many of Mike's scenes like this are silent. They're little vignettes of pure cinema on television. Without these scenes, the show turns slightly more into regular level television and we don't need another loving Walking Dead that's all soap opera exposition.
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InfiniteZero posted:A normal human might have done that. A normal human also might have at least reassured Harry that it wasn't only his fault without going into specifics. A normal human being would not be able to cope with the knowledge that their petty indulgence set in action a chain of events that led their brother to suicide. There's not really any going back from that.
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The Ninth Layer posted:A normal human being would not be able to cope with the knowledge that their petty indulgence set in action a chain of events that led their brother to suicide. There's not really any going back from that. The 'I've never really cared for you' line MIGHT, I don't know, make someone like Jimmy even more morally flexible.
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Data Graham posted:Is it a scam if it was unintentional, though? Jimmy is a true Goon.
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#ChuckWasRightquote:Chuck: Jimmy, this is what you do. You hurt people over and over and over, and then there's this show of remorse.
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The song playing at Chuck's funeral was the same one we saw him practicing in Season 2. Nice callback there.
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Chris James 2 posted:#ChuckWasRight This is the marking of a great character and great writing. Everyone hates him, he's considered a villain... And he's loving right. He sees through Jimmy's bullshit 100% of the time and it just makes things worse.
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And yet nothing feels predetermined, which is indicative of the great writing.
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The Ninth Layer posted:This moment is probably the true end of Jimmy McGill. With Irene last season when Jimmy saw the harm he had caused he took responsibility for his actions and made restitutions. He felt guilty and wanted to make it right. The thing is that if Jimmy were, say, Walter White, he could easily rationalize this by saying that the insurance agent would have found out about this eventually and all he did was speed up the process. But Jimmy isn't interested in rationalizing. Rupert Buttermilk posted:The 'I've never really cared for you' line MIGHT, I don't know, make someone like Jimmy even more morally flexible. Just like Howard will for the rest of his life think that Chuck's suicide was his fault. SpiderHyphenMan fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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Nail Rat posted:It's just the first episode. Amazon receipt says Season 4, not episode 1. A similar situation happened with Ducktales.
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eke out posted:at this point i want to know what happened to Kim in the present more than I want to see him deal with the many, many crimes he's running from
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This season is going to get loving ugly. It tore me apart to see Howard look so broken and defeated.
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Yeah fuckin' Howard "Hamlindigo Blue" Hamlin of all characters is just not someone I ever expected to be this invested in. They've done such a great job with his character.
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Douk Douk posted:This season is going to get loving ugly. It tore me apart to see Howard look so broken and defeated. Wait'll we see how Kim reacts to seeing Jimmy's callous take. And if (when) she finds out what Jimmy did.
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I buy all my episodes on amazon so I get no recaps/previews. Wow I was totally lost even though nothing happened the first half of the episode. There some pre premier recap out there because as much as i love the show rewatching season 3 is ughhh?
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