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https://twitter.com/sportsinsights/status/1013768795041730560
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Wow those are some odds.
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Jul 31, 2018 20:36
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Seems a bit high for the Bills.
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Jul 31, 2018 20:37
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I love it when big guys try to catch punts or kicks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsDNPtDu3bU
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Jul 31, 2018 21:16
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adam gase is now HC, OC and CB https://twitter.com/MiamiDolphins/status/1023674527006564354
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Jul 31, 2018 21:46
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To follow up on the old thread, I don't think it's too crazy to expect Mike Gesicki to be productive as a rookie pass catcher so long that he isn't held too closely to the traditional roles of a tight end. Look at this poo poo: Mike Gesicki Height: 6054 Weight: 247 40 Yrd Dash: 4.54 20 Yrd Dash: 2.65 10 Yrd Dash: 1.56 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22 Vertical Jump: 41 1/2 Broad Jump: 10'09" 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.10 3-Cone Drill: 6.76 Mike Evans Height: 6046 Weight: 231 40 Yrd Dash: 4.53 20 Yrd Dash: 2.66 10 Yrd Dash: 1.60 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 12 Vertical Jump: 37 Broad Jump: 20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.26 3-Cone Drill: 7.08 The stuff that makes it harder for rookie tight ends to be productive is probably the stuff that he's going to suck at anyway. I think he's hosed if they expect him to release out of a three point stance, much less block... but if he's going to get a bunch of snaps detached, I don't see why he can't be productive early. An inability to deal with press coverage might limit his upside, but 300-500 yards seems reasonable to me considering how just his physical parameters might make him difficult to defend even on the NFL level.
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Jul 31, 2018 22:26
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So he's a slightly heavier, but also more athletic, stronger and more agile Mike Evans. That is really interesting actually, almost like the next logical step in tight end evolution. Personally I prefer TEs who can catch, block and do everything but I realize the sport is not going that direction. What I don't like about tight ends who can't block is that defenses can clue into whether the play is a run or a pass by which tight end is in the game. But if your TE is a Mike Evans clone then that's a huge advantage which could make up for it
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Jul 31, 2018 22:35
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I can’t believe future hall of famer Mike Gesicki fell to the Miami Dolphins in the second round
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Jul 31, 2018 22:51
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Play posted:So he's a slightly heavier, but also more athletic, stronger and more agile Mike Evans. That is really interesting actually, almost like the next logical step in tight end evolution. Personally I prefer TEs who can catch, block and do everything but I realize the sport is not going that direction. I don't know that teams really rotate guys in based on run or pass like that at this point- teams generally just take their lumps with lovely blockers or find ways to mitigate it. Hell, in 2018 you've even got NFL coaches buying into the idea that getting serious about running the ball isn't about piling as many players in a clump as possible and creating a bunch of gaps the defense has to defend, and instead will spread teams out and just win the gaps they create. Having a tight end who can't really block worth a poo poo is a missed opportunity though- it's really one of the components that makes the position hard to defend. You can't just stick a corner on Rob Gronkowski, if he lines up in-line you're stuck trying to defend a gap in the run game with a cornerback unless you'r'e very creative. I doubt you're going to be able to say the same thing about Gesicki.
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Aug 1, 2018 03:18
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Play posted:So he's a slightly heavier, but also more athletic, stronger and more agile Mike Evans. That is really interesting actually, almost like the next logical step in tight end evolution. Personally I prefer TEs who can catch, block and do everything but I realize the sport is not going that direction. More athletic and agile than Mike Evans? Just based on combine stats? I mean liked him as a player too but Evans is top 5 pass catcher in the NFL...
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Aug 1, 2018 04:41
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Bills defense looking to be pretty elite! https://twitter.com/JoeBuscaglia/status/1024673580896931842
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Aug 1, 2018 16:10
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lol it's gonna be a real interesting offense once shady's arrested and benjamin's hurt
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Aug 1, 2018 16:14
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Raku posted:lol it's gonna be a real interesting offense once shady's arrested and benjamin's hurt Crap, I'm a part time fan and I'm having trouble thinking of who else is even on the team offensively other than All-Pro Charles Clay.
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Aug 1, 2018 17:03
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waah posted:Crap, I'm a part time fan and I'm having trouble thinking of who else is even on the team offensively other than All-Pro Charles Clay. They have an UDFA in Robert foster that may have caught 20 passes for Bama last year
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Aug 1, 2018 17:36
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fsif posted:Bills defense looking to be pretty elite! Good to see Josh Allen is leading the pack.
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Aug 1, 2018 18:07
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mcmagic posted:More athletic and agile than Mike Evans? Just based on combine stats? I mean liked him as a player too but Evans is top 5 pass catcher in the NFL... Yeah sorry I don't actually believe he's more athletic than Mike Evans, I was just pointing out his good cone numbers and the fact that his combine numbers on general are pretty good
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Aug 1, 2018 19:43
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waah posted:Crap, I'm a part time fan and I'm having trouble thinking of who else is even on the team offensively other than All-Pro Charles Clay. Zay Jones? I hope Taiwan Jones is still on the team because his name is real cool.
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Aug 1, 2018 20:07
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fsif posted:Bills defense looking to be pretty elite! Counterpoint : There is no winning move here, its the Bills. If those QBs did well, we would be like  defense.
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Aug 1, 2018 21:15
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Gonna use this as my new Omar thread https://twitter.com/bigj9797/status/1024784790086709248
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Aug 2, 2018 00:01
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oh shi https://twitter.com/omarkelly/status/1024792255473872896
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Aug 2, 2018 00:07
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Raku posted:lol it's gonna be a real interesting offense once shady's arrested and benjamin's hurt The Bills have apparently transcended the need for "points" and "scorers".
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Aug 2, 2018 01:52
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Hot fire.
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Aug 2, 2018 02:00
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Robert Foster is taking first team reps for the Bills? Guys, I'm not sure he took first team reps at Bama. Ridley, Jeudy, Devonta Smith were all clearly better.
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Aug 2, 2018 02:32
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pasaluki posted:The Bills have apparently transcended the need for "points" and "scorers". You only need to score a field goal to win the game if your defense is good enough.
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Aug 2, 2018 11:50
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MalarkeyToboggan posted:You only need to score a field goal to win the game if your defense is good enough. Not true. A bad offense can give up points, too.
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Aug 2, 2018 14:14
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torgeaux posted:Not true. A bad offense can give up points, too. Sure, but the great thing about Tyrod is his ball secu... Wait... 
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Aug 2, 2018 14:19
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MalarkeyToboggan posted:Sure, but the great thing about Tyrod is his ball secu... Wait... I hope Josh Allen puts up amazing garbage time stats so that people can tell me how much better he is than Tyrod.
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Aug 2, 2018 14:35
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I should say that as bearish as I am on Allen, it is insanely loving dumb that he's getting almost exclusively third-team snaps.
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Aug 2, 2018 14:38
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Nobody puts AJ Mccarron in a corner.
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Aug 2, 2018 14:45
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fsif posted:I should say that as bearish as I am on Allen, it is insanely loving dumb that he's getting almost exclusively third-team snaps. No other team would have split the first team reps as evenly has they have this far. Especially for a rookie that struggles sometimes with screen passes.
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Aug 2, 2018 16:00
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fsif posted:I should say that as bearish as I am on Allen, it is insanely loving dumb that he's getting almost exclusively third-team snaps. He should start. Sitting young QB's is dumb.
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Aug 2, 2018 16:28
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IMPORTANT UPDATE to the omar kelly and jordan phillips saga https://twitter.com/bigj9797/status/1025037922637172737
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Aug 2, 2018 16:33
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Raku posted:No other team would have split the first team reps as evenly has they have this far. Especially for a rookie that struggles sometimes with screen passes. They haven't been split that evenly. Peterman and McCarron have alternated working primarily with the 1's while the other works with the 2's. Allen has only been getting like 8 first-team snaps at the end of practice and doesn't even ever play with the second team. The Bills drafted him to be their franchise quarterback. They shouldn't be so concerned with a bad journeyman and a fifth-round, second-year player's development.
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Aug 2, 2018 17:44
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fsif posted:They haven't been split that evenly. Peterman and McCarron have alternated working primarily with the 1's while the other works with the 2's. Allen has only been getting like 8 first-team snaps at the end of practice and doesn't even ever play with the second team. The could be having instant buyer's remorse, like the Jets did with Hack two years ago.
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Aug 2, 2018 18:08
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The could be having instant buyer's remorse, like the Jets did with Hack two years ago. You can't bury the 7th pick in the draft the way the Jets buried a 2nd rounder.
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Aug 2, 2018 18:12
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Omar has now named Phillips a top performer for today and is taking credit for motivating him hahahahaha
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Aug 2, 2018 19:54
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fsif posted:They haven't been split that evenly. Peterman and McCarron have alternated working primarily with the 1's while the other works with the 2's. Allen has only been getting like 8 first-team snaps at the end of practice and doesn't even ever play with the second team. He's also a project quarterback even if you're in the minority that thinks he'll be good one day. They shouldn't even plan on him seeing the field this year because he's not good at football yet.
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Aug 2, 2018 20:58
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Raku posted:He's also a project quarterback even if you're in the minority that thinks he'll be good one day. They shouldn't even plan on him seeing the field this year because he's not good at football yet. Yeah I kinda agree here. If they actually recognize his limitations and are willing to wait and see if he can develop there's no reason he should be running with the 1st team offense all camp. Leave that to the guys who are actually going to start this year.
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Aug 2, 2018 21:01
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Raku posted:He's also a project quarterback even if you're in the minority that thinks he'll be good one day. They shouldn't even plan on him seeing the field this year because he's not good at football yet. He's not going to get good by sitting. Let him play and suck and throw picks and you will see signs if he's going to be good. Thats how it works.
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Aug 3, 2018 00:45
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mcmagic posted:He's not going to get good by sitting. Let him play and suck and throw picks and you will see signs if he's going to be good. Thats how it works. I don't know why you would doubt the coach who had the bright idea of starting Nathan Peterman???
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