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Kai Tave posted:"The Nazis were socialist, actually" is perhaps the biggest giveaway that someone is just there to cause trouble, followed closely by "actually the reason America isn't a white-owned nation any longer is the cause of its decline." To quote Pusha T, "YEEUUGGHHHHHHH" At least he learned the hard way that Cool poo poo is not catered toward his bullshit? EDIT: Honestly, it reminds me of people I know that are cops, whenever I see them they're like, "I LOVE YOUR poo poo, YOU DON'T SAY 'gently caress THE COPS' IN YOUR RAPS AND I WORK OUT TO YOUR poo poo, YOU SHOULD COME TO THE PD AND PUT ON A SHOW, I'LL ASK THE SHERIFF" And I'm like, "Okay, you like the music part, and you like my paleface, and you specifically listened for any anti-police words, but didn't catch the ENTIRE 'gently caress the establishment, let's make poo poo better' vibe?" They like to play at being smart by learning big words, is all. Doc Dee fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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Never assume that a (crypto-)fascist is arguing with you in good faith or in order to win the argument. It's no guarantee this person had any real interest in the game, but it's pretty definite that they're in the argument to look embattled and unfairly judged for spectators. Fishing for contacts this way is a common recruitment method for alt-right and fascist organisations.
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Allstone posted:Never assume that a (crypto-)fascist is arguing with you in good faith or in order to win the argument. It's no guarantee this person had any real interest in the game, but it's pretty definite that they're in the argument to look embattled and unfairly judged for spectators. Fishing for contacts this way is a common recruitment method for alt-right and fascist organisations. Well that's super gross, and I fully regret even interacting in the first place.
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Their post history on reddit also makes it pretty clear there's nothing crypto about them, they're straight up white supremacist and probably an actual, rather than merely metaphorical, nazi. They're just putting out feelers to recruit more idiots, lurkers who see their post and think "those sjws are big meanies, I'll dm this guy"
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Xarbala posted:Their post history on reddit also makes it pretty clear there's nothing crypto about them, they're straight up white supremacist and probably an actual, rather than merely metaphorical, nazi. I just pulled up his post history out of curiosity, and that dude traded his dog whistles for an airhorn, GODDAMN. You could think that he's just recruiting, but I think this might be more of "OH poo poo, people don't agree with what I've been told is Right my whole life, GOTTA DIG IN" I'd like to think so, anyway.
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I wouldn't underestimate the poster's egotism and thick headedness, really... people wanna have their cake and eat it too. People in right wing spaces write poo poo like that all the time, and they arn't playing for the audience there. It's just part of the worldview that the worldview is the default style and those who disagree are aberrant, so why wouldn't they assume the posters there were frustrated by this woke bullshit just like the poster is? IMO the truism about debating fascists applies to a more specifically public kind of debate, like the Ben Shapiro 'debate me u coward' style. And if this poster was trying to signal to and recruit people, they're doing a terrible job. Just how many inactivated fascists manage to find their way to a niche RPG like Lancer and specifically it's online communities without being exposed to the chud-sphere? in conclusion: Chauvs gently caress off
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Blind Duke posted:I keep seeing that style of question/message being posed on various sites, and I'm pretty sure it's performative. It's apparent what values the creators of this game have so these folks pose these messages to draw attention to their culture war narrative. That being inclusive is something to litigate and debate and not something one can pursue in a free society. So, Kai can corroborate on this one if things have changed in the past year, but: a chunk of this is a weird feedback loop with /tg/ (and related communities).While LANCER was still in development, it got posted over to /tg/, who naturally hated it... and at some point someone realized that could get weaponized, and some /tg/ poster(s) "spammed" it (I never saw the genesis of it, so I can't say what constituted spamming, but once it took off it was just forcing the game into every topic including unrelated ones). Cue hating the game, cue continuing the loop to make other people hate "the SJW game they're forcing on us", and it builds up & spills over to other communities. Pilot.NET had a fair few of them slip onto the server to try and gently caress with people or push their views like this guy. It's partially performative, for sure, and imo it's also partially the same kind of poo poo that you get with any game nowadays that's not a pure neckbeard haven - the holdouts dramatically overreacting to push back against a perceived "invasion" of the (straight, white, women-free) "safe space" they've barricaded themselves in. Genuinely think that's a significant chunk of it, LANCER is one of the highest-profile RPGs I can think of to wear equality and accessibility on its sleeve and actually live up to it, and it's popular enough to be viewed as an "invader" by the kind of person who thinks an inanimate product can invade their games and make them throw away their books. SkyeAuroline fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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I mean, I've seen several threads on Reddit that were basically this same thing. It's always some loon mad that the devs are too liberal.
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Xarbala posted:Their post history on reddit also makes it pretty clear there's nothing crypto about them, they're straight up white supremacist and probably an actual, rather than merely metaphorical, nazi. Don't discount stirring up the poo poo simply to brag about how much they're getting the lefties worked up to their /tg/ slash /pol/ buddies or whatever.
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SkyeAuroline posted:So, Kai can corroborate on this one if things have changed in the past year, but: a chunk of this is a weird feedback loop with /tg/ (and related communities).While LANCER was still in development, it got posted over to /tg/, who naturally hated it... and at some point someone realized that could get weaponized, and some /tg/ poster(s) "spammed" it (I never saw the genesis of it, so I can't say what constituted spamming, but once it took off it was just forcing the game into every topic including unrelated ones). Cue hating the game, cue continuing the loop to make other people hate "the SJW game they're forcing on us", and it builds up. Pilot.NET had a fair few of them slip onto the server to try and gently caress with people or push their views like this guy. A huge part of the /tg/ hate really seemed to be like one or two people who just had a phenomenal dislike of the game for some inexplicable reason, along with a similar dislike for Tom and K6BD, and would just poo poo up any mention of it over there. Recently that seems to have abated somewhat and you can find actual discussions of it over there, albeit still occasionally punctuated with your usual 4chan shittiness. I wouldn't actively go there to talk about it over reddit or the discord, but it's not as bad as it used to be when you'd get these dumb little brigades of a half dozen dipshits speedrunning bans. But yeah, it's absolutely unsurprising that Lancer pulls these dorks out of the woodwork given that both the game and its creators are unapologetically outspoken about their views and don't care if anyone knows it. You'll notice that this reddit guy's whole thing to start with was "I can't believe they'd say this on the company twitter account" like lmao yeah when your views aren't actively repugnant it turns out you don't have to bite your tongue all the time in order to make sales, who knew.
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Kai Tave posted:A huge part of the /tg/ hate really seemed to be like one or two people who just had a phenomenal dislike of the game for some inexplicable reason, along with a similar dislike for Tom and K6BD, and would just poo poo up any mention of it over there. Recently that seems to have abated somewhat and you can find actual discussions of it over there, albeit still occasionally punctuated with your usual 4chan shittiness. I wouldn't actively go there to talk about it over reddit or the discord, but it's not as bad as it used to be when you'd get these dumb little brigades of a half dozen dipshits speedrunning bans. It takes a total monster to take K6BD as "heaven and hell aren't supposed to be full of gender ambiguous non-hetero things i want to put my weiner in so I better be angry," and not, "HOLY poo poo, THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO THINK ABOUT THAN JUST 'MY WORK MY JOB' rear end poo poo" I STILL want to get my favorite K6BD panel, the one of YISUN in all their glory, as a tattoo, but I gotta plot it out.
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ConfusedUs posted:the devs are too liberal. I agree 
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Had Session 0 for my new game on Sunday. Got a mechanic/siege expert, a drone/nexus guy, a hacker/NHP guy, and CQB melee mech built to do just one thing - run into and through other mechs while smashing them to bits. We're gonna have a whole lotta fun with this one.
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Hey, heads up, in case anybody needs inspiration, The full OST to Robot Jox, the greatest film about giant robot combat EVER MADE, is totally available on Youtube. Enjoy!
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So, I dug through Pilot.net and the Comp/Con info and couldn't find an answer to this so I figured I'd ask here. Is there a way to import Comp/Con pilot info into Roll20? Especially if I'm using Interpoint Station's sheets and macros?
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:So, I dug through Pilot.net and the Comp/Con info and couldn't find an answer to this so I figured I'd ask here. Is there a way to import Comp/Con pilot info into Roll20? Especially if I'm using Interpoint Station's sheets and macros? Unfortunately no. There was talk of an update to the Roll20 sheets to allow for importing pilots, but that was last summer/fall and the last I remember was it was waiting for Roll20 to do something. At this point I just assume it fell through the cracks of 2020
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Unfortunately not yet, I need to check back in with the r20 team and the person working on the Lancer module. If you're interested, though, there's a small group working on a Lancer module for Foundry that works well with C/C and looks very cool
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Unfortunately not yet, I need to check back in with the r20 team and the person working on the Lancer module. I was poking around this yesterday and Foundry is very confusing to learn but the Comp/Con import stuff was a breeze and worked perfectly.
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The lancer module being developed for Foundry is top tier, I highly recommend that platform for running online Lancer games
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ShallNoiseUpon posted:I was poking around this yesterday and Foundry is very confusing to learn but the Comp/Con import stuff was a breeze and worked perfectly. speaking of, does anyone know of any decent written or video guides on learning the ins and outs of foundry? i've been just fiddling with it a bit here and there, but i don't feel like i have a grasp of the more advanced features, and now i'm running a new lancer campaign in a couple weeks so i'm trying to figure out what the hell i'm doing.
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Lasting Damage posted:speaking of, does anyone know of any decent written or video guides on learning the ins and outs of foundry? i've been just fiddling with it a bit here and there, but i don't feel like i have a grasp of the more advanced features, and now i'm running a new lancer campaign in a couple weeks so i'm trying to figure out what the hell i'm doing. https://www.encounterlibrary.com/guides/downloading-installing-and-configuring-foundry-vtt/ This is a whole series of tutorial videos for Foundry and I believe Pilot.net has a bunch of informational resources specifically for the Lancer mod.
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thanks, i'll take a look at this stuff
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Roll20 seems like the most massive pain in the rear end platform to develop anything for, I say from the outside looking in. There's been several efforts at getting better r20 integration with things like character sheets and comp/con, and then the ball gets into their court and it just...stops.
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I have no idea how nobody has bothered making a solid replacement for Roll20 in general.
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megane posted:I have no idea how nobody has bothered making a solid replacement for Roll20 in general. They did, there's foundry and a new foss competitor now.
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megane posted:I have no idea how nobody has bothered making a solid replacement for Roll20 in general. They are, Foundry is one, Astral, and I think the Devs of Lancer are working in Role?
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Dexo posted:They are, To clarify, Role is being developed by, well, Role themselves, they've tapped Massif to develop a game for Role that will exist under a sort of Epic Games style storefront exclusivity deal (but without DRM so you can download it and play it wherever, but ideally Role will have support for it built in, which is something I need to talk to somebody there about at some point). But nobody on Massif's end has any actual input on the inner workings of Role or its systems.
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What does Foundry provide that R20 doesn't? I mean, I really dislike R20, but I know how to use it already and so do my players. If I jump to Foundry (or another VTT) it's gotta offer me something, even if it's a cleaner UI.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:What does Foundry provide that R20 doesn't? I mean, I really dislike R20, but I know how to use it already and so do my players. If I jump to Foundry (or another VTT) it's gotta offer me something, even if it's a cleaner UI. Modularity and lighting that doesn't cost a monthly/yearly fee. One time purchase of 50 bucks. Better scene management tools, Better integration with comp/con, the compendiums and custom compcon content. Essentially if you are paying for the special R20 features you would be better served to rip the band-aid and pay the one time fee for Foundry and not have to keep paying for R20. If using the free version of R20 and happy with it then you probably don't need all the bells and whistles that Foundry has.
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ConfusedUs posted:Does everyone have to buy foundry to play, or just the GM? Just the GM. Played Eclipse Phase and now Cyberpunk RED through Foundry, it's just hosted on the GM's computer and we connect in.
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Foundry has modules that I'm told autosize to hexes, too. I haven't actually used them, I can't confirm.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:I keep waiting for foundries patch notes to get less hilarious - it looks like they've hit a stable release? 0.7.9 is Stable. There are multiple update channels, if you are a crazy person like me and wants to mess around with new features. It is still in active feature development though. I think the dev is going to be going over the 8.0 alpha which has a ton of changes today. Generally so long as you don't update to a Alpha/Beta Branch you should be fine as far as stability goes.
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Not Keyser Soze posted:https://www.encounterlibrary.com/guides/downloading-installing-and-configuring-foundry-vtt/ just following up, and I wanted to say thanks again for this. This was exactly what I needed to sort things out. Foundry is WAY better than Roll20 if you can master the all the sliders and settings it has. The Lancer package is incredible and makes running the game 1 million times easier than Roll20 just because it uses the comp/con npc data to automatically generate NPC character sheets complete with macros and stats. Absolute godsend. only trick now is figuring out all the little modules i want to add on. fortunately that's pretty easy so its just a matter of downloading the ones that seem useful and playing around with their settings and features.
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spectralent posted:Foundry has modules that I'm told autosize to hexes, too. I haven't actually used them, I can't confirm. It does. Has some minor issues with Size 2 and 4 bases, but nothing insurmountable. Also Foundry is perfectly stable, I have had zero issues since buying into it months ago and it has massively improved my ability to run Lancer vs Roll20.
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I've got a Nelson player that I'm pretty sure squealed in delight when he saw the Flight Type variant
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