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Phil Moscowitz posted:I want to see that transcript. "Sir, the question was: is this your handwriting?"
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I'm reading a brief (edit: written by a lawyer) on some mundane thing. In one singular page, the brief uses three fonts, three different parts are bolded for a total of nine lines of bolding, three lines are italicized, three are underlined, there are single space, double space, and 1.5 spaced lines, three lines are ALL CAPITAL, two different indents are used, two different list styles are used, there are two semicolons in the same sentence separated by three words, there is one dangling quotation mark and in the other quote the two quotation marks are different fonts, and he misspelled his client's name. Oh and the page number is slightly off center. Frankly it's a work of art that I wish I could show you. BigHead fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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Feb 7, 2024 20:23
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You're few colors away from a first grader doing it
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Feb 7, 2024 20:29
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Somebody lost a bet or took a dare?
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Feb 7, 2024 20:47
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Whenever I get docs like that its some old gently caress who should have retired decades ago. Same copy pasted out of WordPerfect poo poo they've always been using since 1994. No need to correct the formatting because no judge has ever given a poo poo.
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Feb 8, 2024 01:21
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Another option is lawyers who convert every loving PDF to Word instead of just asking for the Word copy. Now you get to work on whatever freeform interpretation of formatting Acrobat decided to cook up today. Yes, of course this regular rear end paragraph is actually a double column with continuous section breaks after every sentence.
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Feb 8, 2024 05:50
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I get that a lot at my job too but it's documents that they should have already had a Word copy of, they just take finalized PDF, convert it to Word, remove the watermarks we used Adobe to add, then edit it. My friend, just start with the Word copy you gave us in the beginning and spare us all this fugue state of formatting.
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Feb 8, 2024 14:23
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joat mon posted:Somebody lost a bet or took a dare? Paralegal was on vacation and the attorney decided he could figure out how word processors work.
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Feb 8, 2024 14:38
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dpkg chopra posted:Another option is lawyers who convert every loving PDF to Word instead of just asking for the Word copy. That's New Fangled; lawyers over 60 have their 900year old paralegals retype all the discovery requests by hand
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Feb 8, 2024 15:30
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Speaking of amazing briefs did you read this one yet
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Shageletic posted:Speaking of amazing briefs did you read this one yet I probably wouldn't have stopped myself from putting in at least one Star Wars reference. As a law student, I had an interview with some state Supreme Court justices and when one of them saw I had done some editing for a Star Wars RPG, he "just had to ask about it."
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Shageletic posted:Speaking of amazing briefs did you read this one yet You left off the best part!
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Lmao
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I think that one's an edit.
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:I think that one's an edit. It is. The real version is still hilarious.
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Feb 10, 2024 14:48
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Me a few months ago: how hard can estate wrapup/tax stuff be, I can handle this as executor myself. Me now, reading through CLE materials and making a million phone calls: this is insane. I should have hired someone else. I hate this. And this is for an estate that isn't going through probate!
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Feb 12, 2024 16:25
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Against all advice I am considering law school. Based on a decade of experience, I want to work as a lawyer for the cannabis industry when I graduate. Either regionally helping people get licenses, IP, etc., or nationally helping to write better laws, or merge state and federal frameworks when that happens. Not particularly interested in doing criminal stuff. I get how fluffy this sounds - that's not me. Not sure where to start though. My network tells me that its a growth field, but no one knows anything specific. Is this something I can take into account when choosing schools? Right now I'm thinking I apply to schools in states with big industries (and ideally outside of big legal markets, cause I don't have the grades for T1 schools), and aim to do business licensing and compliance stuff to build a client base. But I'm wondering if there's some other path I'm not considering. Is there any school that's lower-ranked but specialized for like, ag patents? Or is this something I could do as a government lawyer? Public interest maybe? Does this stuff touch environmental law? I don't really know what those big picture disciplines translate to in practice and its limiting my imagination. Is this significantly stupider than going to law school in general?
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You can just spend 150k in lawyer’s fees to review your bill proposal and save yourself the aggravation.
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evilweasel posted:the litigators in this thread spend most of our time either reading people’s emails or using those emails against people I spend a fairly large amount of time pointlessly telling people not to write stupid things on our internal chat app. Might as well not bother honestly.
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JamesKPolk posted:Against all advice I am considering law school. Based on a decade of experience, I want to work as a lawyer for the cannabis industry when I graduate. Either regionally helping people get licenses, IP, etc., or nationally helping to write better laws, or merge state and federal frameworks when that happens. Not particularly interested in doing criminal stuff. I get how fluffy this sounds - that's not me. Get a good lsat, apply to schools in the states you wanna work in, go to the highest rank school that offers the most money, and work your connections Then enjoy being a spins wheel insurance defense attorney
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Lol. Whatever you want to work at will absolutely not be what you work as. Went to school for public interest law, spin wheel, now working compliance in city govt. Basically the same
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JamesKPolk posted:Is this significantly stupider than going to law school in general? At the national level, the cannabis policy entities and the industry at large is in a state of autocannibalization and consolidation as the massive initial hemp overinvestment has caught up with much of the industry and supply prices have fallen. The remaining growth areas are VC consolidation entities, proxies for actual organized crime, and people taking advantage of the regulatory chaos to sell things that wouldn't be lawful even after reclassification because they're actually cannabis adulterated with other substances. It's not a particularly good time to pursue this, and even after the anticipated reclassification of cannabis, it's unlikely that the same level of investment will occur. Where it does occur, it's going to be working for some of the worst industry people you can imagine-cutouts for tobacco, pharma and VC groups. Even if you wanted to work for these federal trade entities (like the hemp roundtable), it's currently mostly a snow job parasitizing industry by putting forward show bills that they know won't pass, often with terrible provisions. No one motivated by good policy is working in that space. At the state and county level, and in direct services, as far as I know the market is filled, mostly by established existing firms who don't just do cannabis. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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What he said. As well as what everyone else said about how tough it is to go to law school wanting to only end up doing one specific thing. Also, I’m assuming you don’t have applications in right now based on how you posted. Which means you’d be starting fall of 2025. And so taking the bar and starting as an attorney fall of 2028 at the earliest. Think back a half decade and think of how the cannabis landscape was then and compare it to now. Now speed up that acceleration for the coming half-decade. What are the odds that any of (a) the legislation still needs to be written, (b) the lobbying space looks like it does now, and/or (c) the on-the-ground actors are still looking for help with barriers to entry, versus them being established and so having less legal work to do?
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JamesKPolk posted:Is this significantly stupider than going to law school in general? No, but only because the difference between a 9/10 and a 10/10 bad idea isn't that much.
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JamesKPolk posted:. My network tells me that its a growth field, Pun intended But also no it's not. That's a bad reason to go to law school and you won't make any money Edit: I hadn't read all the replies first before poo poo posting but I agree with all of them don't go to law school for this
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Going to law school because you like to argue is a better reason than weed law
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Weed law? What are you trying to pull? Better go in for tree law.
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just because you like to smoke weed doesn't mean weed law will be an interesting career. you will be doing some other kind of law, just with a weed company as a client. if that kind of law isn't interesting without a weed client it's not interesting with one.
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As opposed to the interesting kind of law, which isssss.... *crickets*
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I struggle to see how "weed law" isn't really just some flavor of either business, property, or criminal law, depending on where you practice.
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Nice piece of fish posted:As opposed to the interesting kind of law, which isssss.... *crickets* Tax, obvs. And yeah, like a lot of firms we have a cannabis practice, but everyone is some flavor of transactional or regulatory lawyer. Your best bet would have been going to law school like five years ago and trying for the corporate group at a firm that does weed. Sorry, weed law. (This still would have been a terrible idea.)
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Nice piece of fish posted:As opposed to the interesting kind of law, which isssss.... *crickets* For values of "interesting" mostly within the range of "depressing" to "gently caress this, I'm going to flip burgers" From what I gather, the zoo is seldom boring
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OSHA violation prosecutions were fun for the five seconds I did them.
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JamesKPolk posted:Against all advice I am considering law school. Based on a decade of experience, I want to work as a lawyer for the cannabis industry when I graduate. Either regionally helping people get licenses, IP, etc., or nationally helping to write better laws, or merge state and federal frameworks when that happens. Not particularly interested in doing criminal stuff. I get how fluffy this sounds - that's not me. As many have said, you’re not going to do what you think. I highly recommend you do something else with your time and money. If you can do calculus, a career in finance is much more lucrative and less work.
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Mr. Nice! posted:If you can do calculus, a career in finance is much more lucrative and less work. Screw you and also you are 100% correct.
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Hell yeah thanks everyone. The more people I talked to without hearing "no, don't, run" the more nervous I was getting that I wasn't getting good advice. The only lawyers I know well enough to ask this stuff in person have had kinda weird (albeit successful) career paths. evilweasel posted:just because you like to smoke weed doesn't mean weed law will be an interesting career. you will be doing some other kind of law, just with a weed company as a client. No, it is, just hoping to do something with the knowledge I already have. Because (and this is probably the bigger problem) I'm not confident in this career being worth the time if I don't have some sort of leg up over the field, even if it is interesting to me on its own. Pook Good Mook posted:I struggle to see how "weed law" isn't really just some flavor of either business, property, or criminal law, depending on where you practice. Emily Spinach posted:Tax, obvs. Thanks, that's kind of what I was wondering. Jean-Paul Shartre posted:Think back a half decade and think of how the cannabis landscape was then and compare it to now. Now speed up that acceleration for the coming half-decade. What are the odds that any of (a) the legislation still needs to be written, (b) the lobbying space looks like it does now, and/or (c) the on-the-ground actors are still looking for help with barriers to entry, versus them being established and so having less legal work to do? Honestly, pretty great? Maybe not (b). But I see (c) holding steady in most states that have it already and (a) increasing a lot. That's the motivation. But again this is all from a very limited perspective inside the industry, which is why I'm asking in the first place, and if it's not guaranteed I'm even going to end up working in that area then it seems very not worth rolling the dice on.
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B33rChiller posted:I get the impression that family law could be interesting. There's always a new twist on a problem and it always leaves your soul a withered husk.
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To be fair getting pot charges dismissed and making cops all mad about it is fuckin awesome But that won't be a career option much longer
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Eminent Domain posted:There's always a new twist on a problem and it always leaves your soul a withered husk.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:To be fair getting pot charges dismissed and making cops all mad about it is fuckin awesome At least in my office, we couldn't get a jury who will convict on weed possession if we were even motivated to bring the charges, which we aren't. The only time we prosecute standalone possession is alongside something like OWI where they were driving while high. And even there we dismiss the possession charge with a guilty plea. Most officers are aware of the reality and don't even bother to write the charges anymore.
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