Law Megathread: the stunner off the top rope that everyone but the defense saw coming

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gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Vox Nihili posted:

In my (extremely brief) experience with Article 3 judges, the younger/newer ones are thoughtful and generally quite reasonable if a bit paranoid, while the older ones are effectively powerful, ancient, hateful liches.

They're that for about two years, then they learn to hate everything.

# ¿ Aug 9, 2018 23:09

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 22:24

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Hey now, I have done two trials in the last nine months or so. Neither family nor criminal law.

# ¿ Aug 17, 2018 21:14

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Adar posted:

The timeline isn't really adding up. Are schools even done with OCI yet? Callbacks definitely don't finish up for a month or more.

Unless his grades are genuinely awful, he should be busy mass mailing every single firm and maybe even multiple offices of the same firms. It's low percentage individually, but people do get callbacks from those if you send out enough of them.

Some are done with OCI (Chicago, northwestern, and Harvard for sure).

# ¿ Aug 20, 2018 14:53

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Nirvikalpa posted:

It's his personality. His grades are fine, and if they weren't he wouldn't be getting OCIs, right?

I don�t think so. Or at least, depends on the school. IIRC, at Michigan, we couldn�t screen on grades, and in fact wouldn�t know grades until the interview. One year I had a full schedule of candidates who couldn�t even sniff our rough gpa requirement.

# ¿ Aug 20, 2018 15:10

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Very few people do soft IP litigation full time. I wouldn�t target it.

# ¿ Aug 25, 2018 20:01

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Kalman posted:

Nah, this is perfectly common - lots of patent litigators who can�t sit for the patent bar. (Probably more who can�t than can.)

What�s uncommon is full time (c)/(tm) litigators.

Correct.

# ¿ Aug 26, 2018 01:20

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

ActusRhesus posted:

I just got a subpoena.

From opposing counsel.

.....

There was a slightly unethical firm in Chicago that subpoenaed itself. I.e., Firm sued company A, company A produced documents to Firm, Firm settled with company A. Firm then sues company B, decides it wanted company A's documents, so Firm issued a subpoena in the case against Company B to Firm itself seeking Company A's documents. Yes, they were sanctioned, though I can't seem to find the order.

# ¿ Aug 30, 2018 19:50

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

mastershakeman posted:

I can't understand this at all, why would they do that?

It is easier to subpoena yourself than a third party?

# ¿ Aug 30, 2018 20:11

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Vox Nihili posted:

Take what you want to take. Want to learn more about your broader (putative) practice area? Take some high-level courses in related fields. Do you enjoy actual academic study? You can find some classes that involve real research and writing, if that floats your boat (this may be your last real chance to do that sort of thing for a very long time). Want to maximize your grades and/or minimize your stress? Take the easiest courses you can find. Or mix and match.

I wouldn't worry too much about bar prep in class selection, but I found that courses like Evidence were actually helpful in that regard. Your mileage may vary.

As a personal recommendation that goes a bit against the consensus 3L courseload, I found the Income Tax course to be very helpful both inside and outside of my actual practice.

Secured transactions was my favorite law school class (ok, second favorite)

# ¿ Aug 30, 2018 23:44

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blarzgh posted:

Have I got a book for you.

This was actually really good.

# ¿ Aug 31, 2018 15:06

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

sullat posted:

I thought Romney's shtick wasn't the backdoor Roth, but that he blatantly undervalued the assets he was contributing and nobody called him on it (that we know of).

I thought the same thing.

# ¿ Sep 4, 2018 21:17

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

William Munny posted:

I've got a coworker at my gov job who is in talks with a biglaw firm to join the firm as junior counsel. I thought this was a little strange because I always thought you would lateral over and become an associate and maybe subtract a class year or two based on experience in the practice area because you were coming over from a government gig. Is this actually common nowadays or is this firm just weird?

How senior is the person? Not totally uncommon if someone is old (maybe 6+ years our of LS) and not expected to be on partnership track.

# ¿ Sep 5, 2018 00:39

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

wtf man

# ¿ Sep 6, 2018 00:27

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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

The criminal justice system and incarceration are immoral. Being a bureaucratic cog that helps send people to prison is also immoral. Especially when it comes to drug crimes. What's unclear?

Sorry, should have quoted. That was directed to pook. I agree with you.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2018 00:41

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evilweasel posted:

please i just redistribute money between large hedge funds depending on which one was smart enough to hire me, its basically victimless no matter who wins

Same, except large tech companies.

# ¿ Sep 6, 2018 04:10

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Brony Car posted:

One of my friends is joining a smaller boutique firm with tech/IP clients and it seems like they're doing away with the traditional firm title hierarchy and just adding on people who they think will add value. My friend is really excited but I can't help but wonder what's going to happen when people start having differing ideas on questions like who was responsible for bringing in a client and who has ultimate decision-making/strategic authority

That seems common to just about every firm.

# ¿ Sep 15, 2018 04:21

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Lote posted:

Jason van Dyke got arrested for filing a false police report. He allegedly took a brick and smashed his truck on top of legitimately being out a camera.

Chicago note - this does does not appear to be the Laquon Macdonald shooter Jason Van Dyke.

# ¿ Sep 19, 2018 23:50

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

blarzgh posted:

Somebody recommend a Sci Fi book. I liked the Quantum Thief but not enough to read the rest of the trilogy.

Children of Time.

# ¿ Oct 4, 2018 23:36

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Until 7? How awful.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2018 01:11

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

nm posted:

A friend I went to law school with lives in BFE Utah and seems to just travel for work all the time. He rejected a job here because he couldn't make ends meet on 120k or whatever.
He's also mormon and has a huge fleet of children.

I apparently will shortly have enough kids that I have started to get questions about whether I am a member of a weird religious sect.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2018 16:43

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Look Sir Droids posted:

You�re about to have #4?

Two is normal. The third can be explained away as a mistake. But four...

Numbers four and five.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2018 18:17

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Nice piece of fish posted:

Congrats! How long is the paid maternity leave for the dad in the US?

Norway's caught a lot of flack for a discriminatory policy where the parents got to choose instead of splitting the year equally, which naturally lead to dads only taking the minimum months.

I hear it gets better after the first year when public daycare starts the enrollment. I'm not there yet and I'm kind of dreading having a kid, but this is a good place for it so...

I don�t think there is anything legally required in the US. I�m not sure what my firm policy is, frankly. I am only going to be able to take a couple weeks though, at max. Which is more than I took for the prior three combined.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2018 18:34

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Kalman posted:

If you were into Blindsight and Hull Zero Three, your next book is...

Russo, Ship of Fools.

Yes, read this.

Also probably fantasy, but traitor Baru cormorant is good, goon-written, and has a sequel coming out shortly.

# ¿ Oct 10, 2018 04:50

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

ActusRhesus posted:

In other news... does anyone else get irately angry when people don�t know the difference between declarative and imperative for purposes of hearsay analysis?

Hearing those words, I get the distinction and why it matters for hearsay, but I haven't heard those terms used in hearsay analysis.

# ¿ Oct 11, 2018 01:51

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

nm posted:

Why is no one posting? I'm so bored. Doesn't toona have another divorce, fish a drunk moose to defend, or someone with questions about the chosen people?
I'm getting close to checking work emails again. Fuuuuck.

Hi, I am in the midst of a 17 day work trip (and it's not for a trial).

Soothing Vapors posted:

you son of a bitch
we should really get a blanket exemption from jury service. no competent lawyer is going to keep us on

I had a lawyer juror in my last jury trial.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2018 05:19

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Pook Good Mook posted:

It also assumes Lucas can handle subtext and subtlety. Which he can't. He named bad guys "Darth Maul" and "Darth Tyraneous" and a drug addict "Sleaze Baggano" for Christ's sake.

Isn't there some story where he visits a game developer who is working on a star wars game and says something like "let's name the bad guy darth icky. Or maybe darth insane-us." And then everybody laughs awkwardly before realizing that he was serious?
e:
https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2015/04/04/fall-of-the-empire-how-inner-turmoil-brought-down-a-legendary-studio.aspx

quote:

�The team threw a Hail Mary to George, saying the game would have more credibility if the apprentice had a �Darth� title,� a Force Unleashed team member says. Lucas agreed that this situation made sense for Sith royalty, and offered up two Darth titles for the team to choose from. �He threw out �Darth Icky� and �Darth Insanius.� There was a pregnant pause in the room after that. People waiting for George to say �just kidding,� but it never comes, and he just moved on to another point.�

gvibes fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Oct 23, 2018

# ¿ Oct 23, 2018 19:25

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Fury road is loving amazing.

New blade runner is beautiful, but only a B or so story in my view. Probably an overall b+/a-

I liked arrival better, but I also cried reading story of your life.

sullat posted:

I went to law school, not computer school.

I went to both.

# ¿ Oct 23, 2018 23:11

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Meatbag Esq. posted:

Lots of in house firms have a bonus structure that mostly depends on how well the company is doing and secondarily based on performance.

Yeah, just like any corporate job, basically.

# ¿ Oct 25, 2018 20:25

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

I have been in all day meetings with experts, or in depositions of experts, for 19 days in the month of October. Across seven different cities. Kill me.

# ¿ Oct 31, 2018 16:19

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

I saw a reddit post where a first year associate has billed 2000 hours already since January. Why do y'all put up with those hours?

I�m already over 2500.

Got five kids to feed.

E: answer is $$$ plus I really like the work

gvibes fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Nov 5, 2018

# ¿ Nov 5, 2018 00:04

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TheMadMilkman posted:

For your sake I hope you're raking in cash, because drat that's a lot of billables.

Should be at least mid-400s or so.

# ¿ Nov 6, 2018 01:40

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

blarzgh posted:

I ran into a guy at a park while our kids were playing who was an attorney at a local biglaw firm and we got to talking shop. He's in his 8th year of practice and was talking about how excited he was to get to sit second chair at depositions this past year, and what great experience it was.

Yikes.

# ¿ Nov 16, 2018 16:02

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Ainsley McTree posted:

Are you still not supposed to button the bottom button on a two button suit? That�s just one button

Yes. Wear either two button or three roll 2 (button only middle) coats

# ¿ Nov 18, 2018 02:11

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Of course I billed on thanksgiving.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2018 18:26

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

MSM and I are fans of Illini athletics.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2018 00:37

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Vox Nihili posted:

EVE goons, man.

ElitistOps supremacy.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2018 00:29

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Mr. Nice! posted:

I've billed 22 hours in two workdays. I've had a good 6 non-billable hours at work as well. While I do feel I'm doing some good most of the time, this lifestyle loving sucks.

I call that December 31 and January 1.

Not really.

Only 19 or so.

# ¿ Jan 3, 2019 03:20

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Look Sir Droids posted:

I really need to just drop Dark Souls 2 (only three DLC bosses left!) and get back to my first Witcher 3 run that's been stuck in Velen for 6 months. I can only play at night after the kids go to bed and they've been pushing past 10:00 lately, so I end up just going to sleep.

I apparently have no interest in playing single player games anymore. I need to style on someone to have fun.

# ¿ Jan 3, 2019 18:26

gvibes: Jan 18, 2010; Leading us to the promised land (i.e., one tournament win in five years)

Ani posted:

If you compare to most jobs, biglaw actually looks pretty good:

you get your own office, plus an admin assistant.

flexible hours (no one cares when you arrive or leave), basically unlimited ability to work from home.

no meetings or other BS - basically all your time is spent doing your core job.

pay is pretty good and mostly non-discretionary - compared to a banker, you'd have a much easier time buying a house.

pretty good job security compared to most jobs - if you do a minimally competent job you're unlikely to get fired before you are up for partner.

clients (at least in transactional) value your work and generally pay your bills (almost) in full and (almost) on time. When I did management consulting, half the battle was getting your client to admit that you had done anything at all for them, let alone that what you did was worth what you charged for it.

Not all of these are true at all firms. I think the flexible hours/work from home and no BS pieces are probably not accurate about most firms/offices.

# ¿ Jan 9, 2019 18:11

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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 22:24

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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

lol this new 101 guidance is so plainly facially wrong but whatever it means less work for me

I've already left a comment on how it clearly contradicts binding federal circuit precedent, and they've told us it's mandatory to implement already even though the public comment period just started

heckuvajob

Link?

# ¿ Jan 10, 2019 14:38

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