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Confirmed that it's just a bunch of cardboard waste they set on fire
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Aug 24, 2018 02:25
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Oh hey, Tesla's factory in Fremont caught fire and exploded. Now just to collect the insurance money. You did mail our insurance check, right Elon? *Elon backs away on his segway and takes off*
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Aug 24, 2018 02:34
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wow this saboteur never rests
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Confirmed that it's just a bunch of cardboard waste they set on fire Not all the model 3 undercarriages, now how can they finish building them 
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Confirmed that it's just a bunch of cardboard waste they set on fire Why are they burning their own stock certificates?
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Aug 24, 2018 02:42
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Confirmed that it's just a bunch of cardboard waste they set on fire Is this the production tent? Or some other tent. 
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Aug 24, 2018 02:46
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Gamesguy posted:Is this the production tent? Or some other tent. Oh hey, lets have a fire hazard near a production facility, what could go wrong?
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Aug 24, 2018 02:58
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Puncturing battery cases finally came back to bite them.
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Aug 24, 2018 03:26
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I'm starting to get near to replacing my car and am considering a EV, since I have a place to put a charger and hate car maintenance. My Electric Car Range Concern™ is that during ski season I drive from SF up to Tahoe every couple weekends or so and that seems dubious in electric. Would have to stop and charge in Sacramento which would eliminate any possibility of beating traffic, and battery+cold+uphill+possibly getting stuck for hours if someone spins and needs to be towed don't seem like a good combo. Can't put chains on a rental without voiding insurance, and AWD rentals don't come with snow tires. Only thing I can see is bus or mooching off friends.
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Aug 24, 2018 06:34
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Foxfire_ posted:I'm starting to get near to replacing my car and am considering a EV, since I have a place to put a charger and hate car maintenance. Have you thought of a PHEV like the Volt? It would give you a gas backup for when the battery life craps out. Admittedly, on a SF to Tahoe trip it'd be mainly ICE driven, but it might do for your day to day driving. Your situation is basically the model for "family that owns an ev for daily driving, ICE car for road tripping"
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Aug 24, 2018 06:44
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There's a supercharger in Rocklin literally 30 seconds off 80 and 10-20 minutes would get you to the peak and back to the Rocklin charger. Beating traffic isn't a thing during ski season, you just slightly adjust how much it sucks. Also what he said about having 2 cars.
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Aug 24, 2018 12:52
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I would buy a leaf and a snow capable car truck SUV. I guess having to smog them and park them could be a problem.
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I plan to run the ER Model 3 as my only car during the winter living in Canada. I was concerned about getting stuck in some terrible snow storm on the highway for hours without heat, but I watched the Norwegian Bjorn Tesla video where he sleeps in his car unplugged in camper mode - he ended up draining around 1.5kWh to keep his Model X warm when parked. Based on those figures, I think the Model 3 could probably keep warm for about 24 hours with half battery left, which seems really good and alleviates my fear - i'll do some testing when it gets real cold around here.
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Deathreaper posted:I plan to run the ER Model 3 as my only car during the winter living in Canada. I was concerned about getting stuck in some terrible snow storm on the highway for hours without heat, but I watched the Norwegian Bjorn Tesla video where he sleeps in his car unplugged in camper mode - he ended up draining around 1.5kWh to keep his Model X warm when parked. Based on those figures, I think the Model 3 could probably keep warm for about 24 hours with half battery left, which seems really good and alleviates my fear - i'll do some testing when it gets real cold around here. It'll sure keep you warm when it catches fire.
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Aug 25, 2018 00:37
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Deathreaper posted:I plan to run the ER Model 3 as my only car during the winter living in Canada. I was concerned about getting stuck in some terrible snow storm on the highway for hours without heat, but I watched the Norwegian Bjorn Tesla video where he sleeps in his car unplugged in camper mode - he ended up draining around 1.5kWh to keep his Model X warm when parked. Based on those figures, I think the Model 3 could probably keep warm for about 24 hours with half battery left, which seems really good and alleviates my fear - i'll do some testing when it gets real cold around here. Running the HVAC (even the heater,) takes a lot less energy than pushing the thing down the highway at 70mph.
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Foxfire_ posted:I'm starting to get near to replacing my car and am considering a EV, since I have a place to put a charger and hate car maintenance. The Model 3 has been available with AWD for a while now. Everything else I've seen that would offer AWD (either presently or coming soon) is in roughly the same price range as the Model S. How soon would you be looking to buy, and with what budget?
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It rarely gets bad enough that AWD and all seasons aren't enough to get from a parking spot to the freeway and off the hill, either.
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Any variety of tesla is more than I would want to spend. Realistically, I'll probably just keep my current car ('06 civic) till after this ski season and replace it in the spring/get a leaf or bolt and go up in rentals when there's no chain control on the pass (or go with friends since the one with a snow tires+AWD SUV is more likely to want to go as the weather gets worse).
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Aug 25, 2018 05:09
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LOL jk - Elon Musk https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/24/business/elon-musk-tesla-public.html
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Aug 25, 2018 05:57
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Hah, he's still getting sued for that 420 stunt.
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Aug 25, 2018 14:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xFji9-xgMw I hope if I ever do anything kickin'-rad that there are a Hollywood-level number of angles on it like this
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I've got a Zoe on loan. Would make a nice second car. Unfortunately I could buy 4 Twingos or 2 Clios for the same price so it makes zero financial sense. They are asking 35 k€ (tax free ~27.5 k€).
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Aug 29, 2018 19:19
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Ulf posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xFji9-xgMw Two words: chaser drones.
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DoLittle posted:I've got a Zoe on loan. Would make a nice second car. Unfortunately I could buy 4 Twingos or 2 Clios for the same price so it makes zero financial sense. They are asking 35 k€ (tax free ~27.5 k€). ..and you have to lease the battery for 50-100 euros a month depending on km traveled.
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Internet Explorer posted:Sounds pretty awesome to me. I'd use it camping for sure. Also, would be nice to have a tire pump that you could just plug into your car to put air in your tires. You are aware there are 12v compressors that you can in fact plug into your car and inflate your tires, right?
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Applebees Appetizer posted:You are aware there are 12v compressors that you can in fact plug into your car and inflate your tires, right? Of course! I mean... what kind of idiot wouldn't know that!
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Internet Explorer posted:Of course! I mean... what kind of idiot wouldn't know that! Here is the one I put in my bolt in the foam area with the charger. Doesn't take up any extra space and nice to have in the car. https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00825GNWE ClassH fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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FilthyImp posted:Hah, he's still getting sued for that 420 stunt. Also now has the NLRB suing Tesla for Musk saying they'd pull employees stock options of they chose to unionize.
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Aug 29, 2018 22:00
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And sued for, again, doubling down on the pedo accusation.
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MrOnBicycle posted:..and you have to lease the battery for 50-100 euros a month depending on km traveled. I don’t think so, I don’t see any mention of such arrangment. They offer it with 72 month finance with zero downpayment and 0% APR at 486€/month.
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DoLittle posted:I don’t think so, I don’t see any mention of such arrangment. They offer it with 72 month finance with zero downpayment and 0% APR at 486€/month. Oh ok. IIRC most Zoe's are bought without the battery and people lease them (which is what's stopping me buying one second hand). I think the battery is something like €8k. For me, leasing the battery would never make sense. The battery lease by itself is more than I spend on gas every month at the moment. But I still really want one. Very fun to drive in town and it's probably the best looking small EV on the market. I'd have to have the Bose edition though, the lower specs felt incredibly cheap. The newer models are much better than for example the 2015 one. Shockingly poor interior quality in those.
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They don’t even offer the Bose level here, which might explain the price difference. This one is ”Intens”, one step down from Bose I guess.
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An interesting rumor given that H-D is releasing a production EV in the next year:quote:Harley-Davidson and Alta Motors Are Parting Ways EDIT: For the 90% of you that don't care about motorcycles: Harley-Davidson is starting to struggle as its fan base dies off but has had trouble attracting younger buyers as their fans are pathologically averse to anything new or exciting. A few months ago they showed they're making a big bet on reinventing themselves, announcing several EVs and many other motorcycle types that H-D lovers aren't known to care for. Ulf fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Happy Zoe owner checking in, I got mine used (2.5 years old, so has the 2015 tweaks) for £6700 and lease the battery. And this, it turns out, was during a bit of a price spike as they're often seen for 5-6k. Put simply, my budget wouldn't have stretched to spending an extra £5k or so to own the battery so I just see the £49/month as exactly what it is, leasing part of what would've been a pricier car, with a guaranteed 70% capacity (currently 98%) and a recovery service if something breaks or I run out of electrons. Admittedly, I do hope that if I keep it for a while they'll eventually let me buy out the battery for a reasonable price, but realistically I'm not expecting that to happen within the 8.5 years it'd take for them to receive £5000 in monthly payments (if I keep it that long). The smart thing would've been to wait a few more years and get something battery-owned and that isn't AC-only which is the Betamax of rapid charging standards (I say rapid, mine's the 22kW model which is technically called 'fast') but I'm not smart and as they say "YOLO".... I was excited and impatient to be part of the revolution and all that. At the end of the day it costs me exactly the same as it used to cost me in fuel and tax (but more in upkeep as I'll be extending the warranty) so I'm not too bothered. No regrets so far, loving it, it's a heck of a lot of car for the money IMO with all the bells and whistles  Though I do tend to stay within range most of the time and charge at home, and take the train for long distance, but it's doable with planning. I might have regrets if let's say all the neglected and half-working Ecotricity chargers disappeared from the motorway services one day and got replaced with DC-only Instavolt units, but IIRC there are laws coming in to require all EVs to be catered for so they'd have to provide AC of some sort, as reluctant as they may be. I'd get by as AC is here to stay for the foreseeable future at destinations, it'd just be super inconvenient to have to come off the motorway and beg at some hotel reception to use their charger in order to progress, so for that reason I hope AC rapid (or at least 22kW sited at the same place as rapids) sticks around.Don't think my mates are too keen, with it being 22kW charging and ~80 mile range. I have a very relaxed attitude towards stopping off to charge - happy to go have a coffee, stretch my legs, catch a few pokemon, etc. They see it more (like normal people) as "sitting around for half an hour not making progress". Most people can't abide by that. A problem that will basically go away as newer models bring the range up to match the maximum most people do in a day and everyone just charges at destinations. GargleBlaster fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Ulf posted:An interesting rumor given that H-D is releasing a production EV in the next year: Speaking as an engineer in Wisconsin though, I half suspect that it's more that they're taking the rest of it in-house, given the sheer quantity of EV-related engineering jobs they've been posting and filling.
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pics of the production Harley-Davidson LiveWire are out now. You might have already seen a bike from them called LiveWire, but that was a concept/demo model 4 years ago, here's the real thing: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/first-rides-tests/harley-davidson-livewire-first-ride-/ Looks like it has a CCS charger, fingers crossed that this forces Zero to get in the L3 game. Ulf fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Aug 31, 2018 17:38
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Ergos look a bit cramped and it doesn't seem quite touring friendly, but otherwise I'd say that looks pretty good.
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It looks like it's trying to appeal to the import bikes out there, and it's not a bad look to distinguish the line from "fat white boomer weekend warrior" poo poo.
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Ulf posted:pics of the production Harley-Davidson LiveWire are out now. You might have already seen a bike from them called LiveWire, but that was a concept/demo model 4 years ago, here's the real thing: https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/first-rides-tests/harley-davidson-livewire-first-ride-/ Still no word on range, power, price, or anything that's actually relevant to ownership. The prototype version I think could travel 40 miles? Zeros still struggle to break 100 highway miles with the biggest battery, and they're far smaller and lighter than the Livewire appears to be. I mean I suppose that's fine for Harley's target market of people who ride to the bar 15 miles away once a week but just ugh.
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