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Gwyneth Palpate
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:blastu::dogcited::siren: RETURNING TO EVE?
We are currently living in: 1DQ1-A (DELVE)
Had stuff in Deklein? Click here to find out how to get your poo poo back!

Welcome to EVE Online: Space Opera as performed by Schizophrenics, Con-Artists, and Cult Leaders!


What is EVE Online?
Variously described as “Spreadsheets in space”, “A worst-in-class PvE experience”, “Sociopaths Online”, and “The game for the Nerds who are to Nerds what Nerds are to Normal People”; EVE Online is a thirteen year old sci-fi sandbox MMO published by vikings from an island that smells, by all accounts, of farts and rotting fish. In spite of having more than earned their forum emote, :ccp: continues to develop probably the most compelling experiences in gaming.
Eve is unique in its single-sharded world. In other MMOs, servers are sharded to help balance load and otherwise scale the game. Eve takes place on a single server (unless you live in China.) Because of this, every mistake you make and every enemy you make are there to haunt you forever. Friendships and rivalries in Eve do not disappear, making things like “politics” and “diplomacy” actually matter.
That game takes place in a fully realised sci-fi universe, consisting of thousands of solar systems, interlinked by a web of interstellar jump-gates and divided into three concentric zones:
  • High Security space, where NPC empires enforce peace and the appearance of security. A neutral ground for players to engage in commerce and production.
  • Low Security space, where the tentative peace of the empires break down. Dominated by small gangs of extortionists pirates and players enrolled in NPC Faction militias; all trying their best to establish pockets of hegemony and stability.
  • Null Security space. Where vast, player-controlled empires rise and fall as they jostle for influence, resources, and renown.
  • Above, below and through-out it all is Wormhole Space, a nebulous collection of lost or distant star systems connected to known space and each other by ephemeral wormhole anomalies.
Those resources are vital, because in EVE Online all but the most basic of commodities are the result of hours of player interaction. Nearly everything of worth on the in-game market is the culmination of multiple resource chains that had to be extracted, refined, manufactured, shipped, and assembled. When that cumulation of hundreds of player hours ultimately ends up on the battlefield, if destroyed, it’s gone forever, leaving only scraps of loot and salvage for the victor to pick through.
This cycle of creative-destruction, and the ability to trade game time purchased for real money as an in-game commodity, creates a vibrant and meaningful sense of consequence and value.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kED11aGobUk

Why should I play EVE Online?

EVE is beautiful, EVE is rewarding, and EVE is deeply social.
It’s beautiful:



It’s rewarding in the depth and complexity of its mechanics; The breadth of experiences (some intended by the developers, many not) can be overwhelming at times. It’s the only game where War-Leader, Diplomat, Industrial Monopolist, Combat Photographer, Scam Artist, Day Trader, Messianic Cult Figure, Long-Haul trucker, Provocateur, Propagandist, and Spy are roles fully fleshed out and engaged in meaningful competition. Mastery of a role takes curiosity, skill, and dedication.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0

At its core, what really makes EVE is that it is a deeply social experience. Reliable friends and knowledgeable mentors make the most daunting challenges manageable. Jealousy, greed, and bitter rivalries create struggle and competition more meaningful than any game designer can script. The ever evolving tapestry of nebulous trust, rank betrayals, and alliances of convenience is one of the richest histories and mythologies in videogames.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc


Goonswarm Federation: GoonWaffe


What is GoonWaffe?
GoonWaffe is our engine of economic, political, and military domination. A baroque construct of weaponized space-socialism intended to give you, the common goon, immediate access to everything that EVE has to offer.

Our worker’s paradise is built on the shattered remains of those who would deny Goons a place in New Eden. Over a decade of pubbie tears grease the treads of our war-machine. We have gathered the hard-won lessons of our often incompetent and comical bumbling, and dedicated them to sanding off EVE’s rough edges, mentoring newbees, and making the experiences that set EVE apart as immediate and accessible as possible.

Things to do in GoonWaffe
  • Reavers - If Reavers existed, which they do not, they would be guerillas in the backfield of our enemies, punishing all who would dare take arms against us.
  • The Ministry of Love - Our Highsec arm, dedicated to bringing the love of Goonswarm Federation to as many freighters as possible.
  • Recon - Be the eyes of the Swarm. Changes to the game have made scouting more important than ever.
  • GSOL - Truckers and construction workers in space. Be a vertebrae in the spine of our organization.
  • Corps Diplomatique - Yes, this game has diplomacy, and yes, it is important. Your honeyed tongue and sharp intuition deliver more damage and mend more fences than any in-game action ever could.
  • The Black Hand - Dedicated to espionage, sowing sedition, and controlling the metagame.
  • Sigma & Theta Squad - vote bag of vegetables 2018
  • Social Swarms - Lawyer? Gay (no, really, actually gay?) Fat? :drugnerd:? We’ve got you (and many more not listed here) covered.
Is There Some Sort Of Manual?
The Goonwiki is one of the most complete guides to EVE online.

GoonWaffe FAQ:
IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING NOT COVERED HERE EMAIL newbies@goonfleet.com

What are the requirements to join GoonWaffe?
  1. Are you an active poster of the SomethingAwful community? If you think you are, you're probably not and you should post more.
  2. Do you have a SomethingAwful account of at least 3 months in age?
  3. Were you banned/probated for some creepy MRA/Furry/Rape poo poo? Yes we kinkshame here so

Ok, I'm not a J4G, I want into Goonwaffe. Now what?
Go read this helpful wiki entry, and it will guide you through the steps to join!

Are you Vacationed and want to come back to GoonWaffe?? (This means your forum group says Vacationer on GF.com)
https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Joining_GoonWaffe_101 can also help you! Follow the steps for Process B or C, whichever applies to you.

Against All The Odds I'm In Now What?
Yet again, there is a wiki page full of helpful advice. Key amongst these is to follow the advice on how to crack Eve's unwillingness to let you talk to others and open the GS_Help channel.

What's 2018 Eve Like?


What's 2021 Eve Like?

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Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

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Paramemetic posted:

You should update the OP with the actual information about joining GoonWaffe and unvacationing instead of the stuff about API keys which are not real anymore.

https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Joining_GoonWaffe_101

Edited. Is that better?

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Sub Rosa posted:

RIP there being a less terrible goon guild specific thread

tbh i'm surprised the bitter ex cancer train didn't find its way there too

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Rutibex posted:

I've been posting to SA for 17 years and I still don't understand wtf is going on in FYAD.

Count yourself lucky. If you "get" FYAD, you likely have a predisposition to mental illness, basically prodromal schizophrenia. You'd need to take antipsychotics.

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dragonshardz posted:

Querns, can you include MiniTru in the OP?, please?

Sure, if you give me a one-liner for it.

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Jun 7, 2010

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Hey, somebody bought some ads for the thread. Thanks!

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Generally we're not going to give a poo poo about corporation history by itself. The main thing is if you're on the blacklist or not, and ending up on the blacklist means you were part of us in the past and hosed up or hosed goons, typically. You have to be a colossal, public jackass to get on the blacklist while never having been in the corp before.

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Rutibex posted:

That's a waste, you can change your home station to your school station at any time and just pod jump.

Yeah, but then you can't jump back. What you can do is install a jump clone where you want to return, then change station to a school and pod jump, then jump clone back.

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Ynglaur posted:

I read the title of the latest EN24 article and thought to myself, "With a title that stupid, I'll bet it's another dumb idea from Seraph." Why am I right about such thing?

I don't want to give them a click because I'm petty and spiteful. What was the article title?

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ZekeNY posted:

"Remove Jump Freighters, Introduce Force Freighters"

No, really.

It's amazing how little foresight those nerds have. Every single military force in this game is utterly reliant on jump freighters to wage any kind of war. If they were removed, guess what group would be best in place to continue to wage war without them?

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gwrtheyrn posted:

Mining has always been very scalable, and mining was already a decent income activity even before rorquals. It's just goons are dumb and like to repeat stale memes about how mining is/was bad until the most obvious broken poo poo that was rorqual mining on initial release combined with the prior capital rebalance smacked them over the head. It wasn't quite as good as carrier ratting which was the flavor of the month, but it was pretty competitive with ishtar ratting for a good year or two before we lost deklein, but again goons are dumb and can't do math

Basically rorquals are the new chimera, except you have 5b isk of vulnerable drones per rorqual sitting in space instead of a well-tanked chimera that works well with other ratting chimeras.

nah, we'd already eliminated the stigma around mining before rorquals were even a thing

it wasn't rorquals that did it, it was CCP nerfing those AFK chimeras you were talking about

we had dudes multiboxing barges when we were trying to make money in the bits of pure blind we'd clawed back prior to our exit from the north

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Over There posted:

What's with the ads, is something happening again?

Damned if I know. I didn't buy 'em and I don't know who did. Maybe it was because it was a new thread, or maybe it was tribute to Richard "Lowtax" Kyanka's robot spine.
In terms of things happening, we're jamming our thumbs into the eyesockets of the people currently squatting in the north, having thoroughly and repeatedly embarrassed them in supercap fights.

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CainFortea posted:

I think these are retreads. Some of them look familiar.

Yeah, they're all super-old banner ads. I don't think we've had any new ones in years, maybe the better part of a decade.

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nex posted:

these ads are 2006 and earlier, for more information this nerdtastic whitepaper (it owns)

http://www.academia.edu/1709589/Goo...dium_to_Another

what the gently caress

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Hello Sailor posted:

Kinda tempted to play this again so I can shoot NPC space pirates and run and hide whenever an enemy player comes into system. I haven't played since we were in Deklein (sp?), but I think I still have a bunch of stuff in Delve from the first time we took it over. That's the system we took from BoB, right?

Correct. One wrinkle: they converted all the old conquerable stations and outposts into unanchorable/destroyable versions earlier this year. I don't THINK we've unanchored any, and I know we haven't lost any, but in the case that the station isn't there any more, you'll be able to retrieve your stuff in Irmalin after paying an impound fee, thanks to the game's new Asset Safety feature.

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To put a finer point on the jump-capable ship thing, CCP arbitrarily decided that they would never allow GMs to move a ship with a jump drive for returning players.

Curiously, they instituted this rule at the exact same time that we were getting rolled out of the north by out-of-game-casino backed entities.

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evilweasel posted:

it did help that lennybux got lennybanned

yeah but hostiles had a good 4-5 months where they still had it, and it would have been trivial for them to actually undock and finish the job

but i guess months of sitting logged out in X-7O were too exhausting for them

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Landsknecht posted:

that entire war was cancer, with either massive tidi or tossing

people fail to take the initiative all the time, what would've happened if the cfc decided to really put the screws to PLNC post B-R?

the difference between B-R5 and the casino war is that after B-R5, we (extremely stupidly and deliberately) let NCPL go, whereas in the casino war we all just sat in range of each other for 5 months and then we were allowed to leave due to sheer neglect on the part of hostiles

like seriously we jumped the remnants of our supercap fleet to a single asshouse in ashitsu, how hard would it have been to drop on that and just erase us forever

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CainFortea posted:

Pretty sure the latest titan deaths are all up to Killah Flee. "Guys, goons totally won't show up for the hull timer"

I really don't know why they even showed up for the hull timer. The smart thing to do would have been to just let it die. The armor timer showed that we were willing to bleed, and everyone knows we can accept a higher degree of attrition than they could.

Maybe if NCdot had gotten PL to do their move op during the weekend, and get some actual numbers out of them, it might have been a better chance of actually accomplishing something, but apparently NCdot didn't break the glass on the case containing the special kneepads and bib until that Monday. Poor Hedliner, having to do three cross-galactic move ops for a single titan kill.

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Rutibex posted:

So what you are saying is our current northern campaign should be a war of total annihilation? No mercy and no quarter, after all we wouldn't want them coming back like goons did for revenge.

if hostiles get pushed back to a single point and have a widely publicized exit route, then yeah we oughta drop on their poo poo

poo poo's a little harder now with keepstar proliferation sadly

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Landsknecht posted:

haven't you guys killed a few of those in the past month?

yeah, that's why i said "a little harder" not "impossible"

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Xolve posted:

A lot of talk happened, many promises were made- very few actually kept. Of course you knew all this though- because the Black Hand or whatever isn't an absolute joke and actually provides solid intel, right?

confirming that the black hand shares all of its intel with the rando rear end line members that post itt like me

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OzyMandrill posted:

Are referral codes still a thing worth doing?

The referral rewards are not nothing, but recently they gutted the hell out of the program so that you don't straight up get a free month on an account if the referred person (your alt) subs.

https://www.eveonline.com/recruit for details.

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Ad by Khad posted:

Oh, I elected to not sit in theta. Or goonswarm. Or eve.

yeah if theta was grossing you out then you wouldn't stand a chance anywhere else, poo poo is so much worse outside the walls

Praxis Prion posted:

Looking to get into this again. Haven't played in about 6 years, and I didn't do much other than some scamming and a few ops here and there. I must have set a long skill queue before I quit playing last time, because I have all these skills at V and I know drat well I didn't sit around waiting for that poo poo back in the day. I came back to this character with 10M SP and the game won't let me train any more since I'm past the alpha limit. It looks like I have around 500m isk, a 500 plex in Jita, and a bunch of ships up to a battlecruiser and crap still in Deklein. Is it worth trying to move any of that stuff?

I barely remember how to play this game, so I suppose I should make another character and run through the tutorials while I wait on the auth email.

you can use asset safety to teleport your poo poo to lowsec, but then you'd need to figure out how to get it out of lowsec

also it takes 21 days to cook so that might not be within the limits of your patience

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Ad by Khad posted:

Nah I don't agree. I've been in a solid goon group for over a year and there hasn't been anything offensive at all

i meant in eve, seeing as you said that you don't play it

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Philonius posted:

What's the situation right now in terms of fights?

Last time I played we were in Delve and most fleets that went up were a 1 hour commute to get to a bunch of people who wouldn't bother to form up.

I gather there's a war on right now, but does that have some decent action that's not 'sit in 10% tidi because both sides brought a thousand supers' ?

Right now we're deployed to the north to gently caress with the squatters in Fade and Pure Blind (maybe Deklein later? Who knows.) We have a forward staging keepstar in 6RCQ, so if you put a jump clone there (or just sit there all the time if you really want) you oughta be able to catch some fleet action.

Fights that are "sit in 1% TIDI" generally happen over a keepstar siege, and there's plenty of fights going on that don't involve that. Most of them are erasing tons of Muninns. This is hilarious because T2 cruisers use a lot of moongoo, and we pretty much own the entire T2 production chain, meaning that all the ships they bought are putting money into the pockets of our guys.

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Yeah, the way I play Eve is to sit logged off 99.9% of the time with the occasional bit in Jabber, then log in when poo poo Gets Real in space. Then again, I'm space affluent enough not to need to grind for ISK all the time, so YMMV.

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Pale Peril posted:

Sooo...

EveMon died after the ESI change over?

There's an ESI version:
https://forums.eveonline.com/t/evemon-4-0-7-beta-esi-edition/75953

It's a pain in the dick to set up though, due to :ccp: .

DUMB TECHNICAL EXPLANATION SKIP THIS
Not only do you have to register each character in a third party application individually, but the developer of the application has to make a Sophie's Choice -- either ship the application with a developer key/secret embedded, which allows shitlords to extract the credentials and execute a denial of service attack, or require the user to generate their own developer credentials, which is extra bullshit on top of bullshit. The evemon fork goes with the latter.

Plus, if you change your password, all the characters on that account have their ESI credentials revoked automagically. :negative:

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Sion posted:

Is Delve still where the good poo poo is?

Also, I remember seeing there was some real grissly poo poo with DJ and Mitanni a little while ago. Goons always needed someone to fight or they'd turn on each other :(

Delve is our home again. And, yeah, DJ had a big gay babby meltdown, goatse'd the forums, and ran off in a huff to make his own corporation back when we were getting rolled out of the north in an attempt to siphon out all the TRUE BLOOD GOONS. CCP even renamed the old, inaccessible Goonfleet corporation to "Old Goonfleet," altering the corporation histories of every character, and renamed his corporation "Goonfleet" for about 6 hours or so before it got reversed. It was a very strange time.

Later DJ sold out his corporation for a vouch into Pandemic Legion. :laugh:

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Goon Danton posted:

Old ads get old goons. Hi.

I joined several years ago, around when they implemented walking around an empty dead apartment instead of ship spinning, and then real life exploded like a week later and I unsubbed. Any chance I'd be able to rejoin as an alpha clone and do chill mining / salvaging?

Yep. No activity requirements or anything. The barbie doll walker simulator was excised from the game so they could move forward on a 64-bit upgrade.

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the preceding: use of "goon" as a pejorative

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#justdelvethings

https://zkillboard.com/related/30004724/201808242000/

Baiting out a super and dropping 75 dreads on it didn't quite go as planned.

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juche avocado posted:

ok but now can you build star gates

not yet, wait another 5 years lol

they are adding "gates" soon but they're actually just replacements for jump bridges and will work exactly the same (so they can eliminate POS completely, hail satan)

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TheQuietWilds posted:

so whats the basic situation right now, last time I played we had just beaten up reddit and taken their fancy moons. I guess we lost Dek? Does the not-actually-in-goonswarm Wormhole group still exist? I assume it imploded in some sort of drama eventually. Is now a good time to come back? Are our semi-afk Ishtar armies still plagued by two douchebags in uncatchable interceptors?

The wormhole group fell apart because they were denied SRP for a Falcon. :laugh:

We did indeed lose Deklein. We went back to Delve, and now rather than lots of ishtars ratting, there are lots and lots and lots of supercarriers ratting, and lots x10 of rorquals mining (they were changed to be really good at mining and with a beastly local tank + divine shield.) Because Delve is so packed together, we can cover a shitload of territory inside of a supercapital umbrella. Recently we killed 72 dreadnoughts trying to bait out supercarriers.

Our economy is peerless and we're currently jamming our thumbs into the eyesockets of the folks who ended up squatting in the north as buffer between us and NCdot/PL's holdings in Tribute, Vale, Tenal, and Geminate.

There are plenty of fleets all the time in our forward staging and plenty of opportunities to unironically rat/mine yourself a titan so it's free, so if either of those appeal to you, :rms:

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orange juche posted:

Whole Squid is real

ly poo poo

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RattiRatto posted:

Why did you make me start this game again why
Now I'm floating in space wondering where all my caps from Deklein went. Did they get moved somehow? I see i have plastic wraps in low sec stations. And the size is 1m3. PLease tell me I can fit multiple archons in a travel ceptor and bye bye

Yeah, they got moved. Outposts got converted to destructible "Fortizar" structures. Since the outpost your stuff was in got unanchored or destroyed, your stuff entered Asset Safety and got moved to the nearest lowsec station. Unfortunately you can't move those wraps out of the station -- you'll have to pay a fee to get access to them and then break the wrap to get your poo poo.

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Hello Sailor posted:

Guess no one ever told you that if you already play EVE, you pretty much have to have a recruiter fast-track your application if you ever want to get in.

:raise:

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now all we ask of you is to RESTART THE MINECRAFT SERVER :byodood:

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can we not have multiple pages of people failing to be funny with random food atrocities :nallears:

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I thought the Seinfeld show was pretty funny :jerry:

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