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Hello Sailor posted:Any idea about Deklein? I remember I had a really good ratting ship in a back-end system there, along with a bunch of other poo poo. It would be awesome if I could just freighter it into Delve from nearby lowsec. Do I have to login in Delve to make sure any Asset Safety stuff goes to the right place? I'm looking at a (non-goon) wiki right now and it mentions that, but it doesn't talk about returning players at all. Your deklein stuff can only be retrieved via asset safety. You can remotely trigger asset safety, it will go to the nearest lowsec station, but you'll have to wait 15 days and pay 15% of the cost to get it out of asset safety. If you're in a non-jump capable ship you can probably get a free transport.
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Aug 21, 2018 20:10
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Landsknecht posted:isn't it weird that the lennybux fite was 2 years ago and everyone was like "grr gons never again" and then 2 years later goons are now an unstoppable juggernaut? it did help that lennybux got lennybanned
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Aug 21, 2018 21:08
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Landsknecht posted:haven't you guys killed a few of those in the past month? i thought our plan to have a fortizar in every system in delve was a little excessive but we're well on our way to taking it to the next level
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Aug 22, 2018 01:14
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Landsknecht posted:all the best things in goonfleet were not space masterplans but rather a bunch of idiots not knowing what to do trying to do something, some other goon sperging and creating drama, and then again some other goon faxing a dick to a law office i will eternally be grateful that remedial went into scamming poor people behind on their mortgages out of their last dollar so i don't ever have to feel bad about laughing at the remdick faxes
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Aug 24, 2018 20:42
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The Claptain posted:Still the best thread on goonfleet dot com. notice who is the first person to realize something's up 
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Aug 25, 2018 13:59
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:my guess is it doesn't make sense for PLNC to be essentially functioning as a single entity while maintaining two different alliance leaderships so they're gonna roll everyone into NC my guess is that pl's rot has become pretty apparent so they need to kick out the non-performing bittervet corps to try to revitalize the alliance, and EO is just taking the chance to break up with pl first. you can't have an alliance dominated by people who did things once, five years ago, but are burned out on eve without driving away the people who are still interested in eve and want to play eve, and EO's primary function over the past few years has been to collect precisely those sort of people. if this was part of NC absorbing the good parts of PL then it'd be the good parts of PL leaving all at once. penif will probably continue dropping on the occasional miner in delve that's not on comms and probably not even at the computer in what will amount to a vanity corp and pl will either continue to rot and eventually absorb into NC. or...well, i don't know, their niche of being the supercap alliance is gone so i'm not even really sure what future they have besides being a nc. appendage that acts as if they're still an important relevant alliance that can't even place in the prize spots or as high as NC. in the alliance tournament anymore
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Aug 29, 2018 15:56
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Landsknecht posted:look at all these people not in PL speculating about why the 'rad left and getting it all wrong yes, we need to ask the festering corpse its opinion on why it is rotting
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Aug 29, 2018 17:41
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Kimsemus posted:honest to god if goons ever decided to euthenize pandemic legion please let me join they don't have anything in space to kill and won't cyno in their supers in range of ours
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Aug 29, 2018 18:48
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Landsknecht posted:I really can't wait to hear Querns' and Weasel's take on all the corps leaving PL honestly the only thing that's probably keeping some corps in is the hope that the last corp in the alliance gets to steal what's left of the AT ship cache, hopefully before the rest of it is lost in an unsuccessful attempt to go farther in the alliance tournament than TEST
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Junkiebev posted:does sov make sense yet? sorta. sov is now almost entirely meaningless and outposts were removed and replaced with what are essentially destructable outposts, citadels. so if you want to invade, you burn everything down and then put down your own citadels. or just burn it all down and go home. you can claim sov but all it gives you is your name on the map and a fuel bonus to pos, which are entirely obsolete and nobody uses except for a tiny handful of things
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Junkiebev posted:so wait you can not take stations anymore by reinforcing and killing hundreds of POS? no but you can kill stations for good, and they can cost up to ~400b isk, and you can kill them while killing 19 pl/nc titans for the loss of one of your own because pl is poo poo
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Kimsemus posted:I would hazard to argue that the only thing tangible you can take from any MMO, including EVE, is the friendships you make with people because when the game is gone or you quit playing, that's the only thing of value that matters. I have taken from eve advanced spreadsheeting skills that I used at work, and then needed to hem and haw and change the subject when asked how a lawyer got that good at excel.
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Kimsemus posted:Firm subscribes to Lexis? "I found it on Westlaw!" then the people whose idea of a spreadsheet is that if you need the sum of a column of numbers, you pull out your calculator and add them all up then type the answer in, want this magical document that explains excel and why your spreadsheet is automatically creating the reports that they spend hours making for their case
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:This is why you hide your power level. If you can make spreadsheets that render your entire job obsolete, you make them and keep loving quiet about it, then let the spreadsheets do your job for you while you goof off or watch paint dry. Might not apply to lawyers, but it's good advice for any computer touchers out there. nah it just meant i could do the more fun parts of my job instead of spending hours figuring out what i missed and why the report columns didn't add up properly but yeah i automated one of my early jobs before i became a lawyer and it owned, i never explained to anyone how it worked or even that it was happening had to get my own proxy around the internet filter though to not die of boredom.
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:What happened if my evedude was in a capital and unsubbed when the outpost got destroyed/ unanchored? you'll spawn at a random point in space in the system in that capital if your capital ship was in the hangar and you weren't in it, it's in asset safety and your pod will spawn in the random point
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:ostensibly it's to keep your employees off of pornhub and other poo poo and doing their jobs instead there's now a push for personal email to be blocked as a potential threat vector which loving suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks because it gets applied even to the people high-ranking enough to not have the rest of their internet filtered
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Aug 30, 2018 16:46
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:And If i'm not an omega, will I be able to jump the ship? that is a good question. i think you can, but with no skills applying to your jump distance so you'll have a max jump distance of 3.5LY and use a shitton of fuel
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Bilirubin posted:Would this be one of those "fail cascades" I heard so much about two years ago? hard to say for sure since i tend to assume ordo is trolling until proven otherwise  i don't know that any other major corps are on their way out yet and pl has a long history of "trolling" in this sort of way - when something is bad, lie about how its worse. it's not a bad strategy and it usually works out for them.anyway this isn't the usual failure cascade since pl doesn't have space to lose, the usual trigger. pl's problem is that its identity is an "elite" alliance. they function by recruiting the "elite" from everywhere else to stay strong and grow. except they're no longer elite, they're a has-been that failed to adapt with the times and has realized its too late first, their recruitment of "elite" people got hurt by the problem of overrecruiting immense shitlords. the people who used to be in charge were charismatic, interesting people (compared to the usual eve player), while the current crop is basically 4chan detrius. nobody, and i mean nobody, is looking at current pl leadership and thinking "i want to be one of those people and fly with them" second, their 'elite' nature was basically built on (a) the alliance tournament and (b) supercaps. yes, they could do some interesting stuff with subcaps at times, but this was never really the source of their strength: they could do that poo poo with subcaps because nobody could deploy supercaps against them. their supercap superiority was built on their alliance with nc., where for all the claims they are strong independent alliances their supercap fleet is essentially an integrated whole. nc. would never attack pl, pl would never attack nc., and if one of them was in trouble the other would help. they kept that supercap superiority because if you don't have the most supercaps you can't use them. anyone with a supercap that wanted to use it had to go to PL/NC, so their advantage snowballed. that got badly bruised in BR-, where they got shithoused due to bad tactics and by the rest of eve assembling to get a big enough force to match theirs (that then rapidly collapsed, giving PL/NC. superiority again). it got definitively ended in X47 where they didn't even manage to put up a serious fight. the structure timer was an embarassment, a one-sided slaughter that demonstrated they have been decisively outnumbered, and made much worse by terrible, terrible tactics. so now that natural flow of "i have a supercap and want to use it" goes the other way: if you want to use your supercap, you have to join us or join TEST. that goes double for faction supercaps, which PL/NC couldn't even field and ordered to dock up. as for the alliance tournament, basing your image on something that happens once a year and has a substantial luck component is tricky enough, and they've failed to recruit the talent they need to stay on top. they placed significantly worse than TEST this year, well out of the prize brackets. so far out, that i thought i was missing something while trying to find them. they weren't even close. so any aspiring AT pilot sure isn't going to PL, they're going to the actually good AT alliances like VOLTA and HYDRA. lastly, everyone recognized that jump fatigue/rorquals/etc was going to advantage broad-based alliances over "elite" alliances and that PL/NC needed to adapt. NC. adapted relatively well, sinking its hooks into 0.0 and accumulating a good meatshield. PL formed Horde, which was an inspired idea, and promptly implemented by making GBS threads on them hardcore and letting them get independent rather than structuring them as a feeder alliance that was tightly integrated with PL. now, it's pretty clear that PL is now the junior party in that relationship. horde has relevance in 0.0, pl, not so much. at this point the rot has definitively set in: PL/NC is no longer an alliance of equals. NC is clearly the healthy alliance and PL is the rotting corpse. everyone knows that Vince will be calling the shots with only a token consideration of PLs views within a year or so. if you're in PL, you're probably there because its "elite". and that's gone. so your choices are to stay and hope things turn around, or get out while the getting is good to NC. or somewhere else. problem is, the rot is so evident even /r/eve is mercilessly making GBS threads on PL so there's no real obvious ways this turns around. so to make a long story short: it's going to be more trying to arrest the rot while people slowly sneak out rather than the sort of abrupt collapse you see when an alliances' failure is due to external pressure. it's just that everything that sustained PL is gone, and it's just a question of how long it takes everyone to realize it and get out. in a year or two they'll be an AAA-level joke
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:did that dude ever come back after y'all noped out of the north in 2011 i'm pretty sure i recall hearing that he RMTed all his poo poo and characters so he's permanently gone Landsknecht posted:yeah, probably the usual story of "overcommit, then fail, then RMT out" yeah a problem with recruiting people who are on the open market is there's usually a reason they're on the open market. someone in their previous alliance was incompetent or insufferable, and if it was some sort of drama there's at least a 50-50 shot it was them. PL was good at convincing people to defect for a while, but sort of switched to vacumning up the trash and paid pretty heavily for it. i mean christ, letting baki yuku into your alliance, wtf evilweasel fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Hexel posted:im gonna go ahead and say ncdot dies within 12-24 months i doubt it. with jump fatigue empires spanning half the map are mostly dead, and so even if we bulldoze the entire north all we can do is then leave. there's no credible alliances to maintain control over the north besides nc., and if they add a good chunk of PL's supercap fleet they'll have enough to have local superiority as long as we or TEST aren't nearby, more than enough to keep the whip hand over GOTG and the rest of the no-name northern alliances. they've adapted well enough to the current meta to survive, i think. i think they'll wind up shedding more of the bluetrals and trying to poach them rather than keep them around indefinitely
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:also from the outside looking in it seems like PL had a lot of inactive leadership that didn't do anything but also never gave up the keys to the alliance the impression i get is that the inactive leadership stayed around and posted and such but the keys to do things were turned over to the next generation. a lot of core PL stuff is still held by Shamis who probably hasn't played in the better part of a decade, but that's a security thing (holding AT ships, holding corp CEO, other things that the active directors don't need on a day to day or even month to month basis) the problem is just that the new generation is poo poo
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Landsknecht posted:didn't -A- have some real mystique early on? like pre-2008 yeah back when evil thug was still in charge, then i think he got addicted to WoW and nobody else in the alliance had any loving idea what they were doing (and if they did, one of the other russian alliances poached them) and rapidly snowballed into poo poo. i think they loaned the bpo for goonswarm's first titan, then became hostile when that whole plex drama caused a fracturing of the alliance between various russian alliances and Goonswarm. all of the mystique is super cringy to look back on, but then again literally all eve mystique is super cringy to look back on Landsknecht posted:no, this was held differently that'd make sense, i knew you distributed a good chunk of them to the players but i thought there was also an alliance cache for future use evilweasel fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Aug 30, 2018 19:43
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Landsknecht posted:I mean if we wanted we could've moonwalked out of there with a stupid amount of stuff, because a few people in the corp ran most of the AT stuff for the past few years (lmao), in addition to a lot of alliance+renter management, but I guess the parting was on better terms? and there wouldn't really be a point to having a single corp be that rich, unless we all decided to buy revenants or some silly meme yeah one of the oddities of EVE is that very rich people are actually quite trustworthy because once you can afford your own titan, there's basically nothing more that more money can get you. like, if there was 25T in the goonswarm wallet i would not be tempted to steal it because there's nothing I can do with 25T that I can't do with 2T, but taking the 25T would significantly limit what i could do in EVE in the future by burning bridges. big thefts are more about the gently caress you than being space rich. back in the day when RMT was basically legal, then it had more incentive but rmt is kinda hard to do now, and especially hard to do if you've just wrecked your relationships in-game that would let you do it quietly
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Klyith posted:I think there's a bit you're not seeing, that there's also a big aspect of PHorde in this. PL has been on a decline in activity for a while now, longer than just the current generation. PL got a bunch of their status by being the elite destination. After Horde anybody could get a taste, and they didn't even need a supercap. Yeah it wasn't exactly the same thing, all the PL and PH people would loudly insist. But the core of PH came over from PL, all the FCs were PL alts at first, and they did joint ops at times. yeah loving up the structure of horde was a massive mistake. pl wanted to maintain their elite status, couldn't square that with an alliance that would accept anyone who could find the "apply" button, and so they let horde become its own thing instead of a feeder under tight mothership control. but there are a lot of people that, three or four years ago, saw the path to advancement in eve as becoming a well known FC in some medium-tier alliance so they could get booshed into PL when it went to harvest the talent from that alliance, then being a PL fc with great fcs like grath, elise, etc. nobody in a medium-tier alliance who is an up and comer now is looking to do that. Landsknecht posted:PL was really awesome for a long time because of the uncontested power of autismchariots; you could ride around the galaxy and destroy yeah tracking titans were loving infuriating, but there's never really been a time since that you couldn't wipe out a subcap fleet with the right combo of supercaps, it just shifted to the slowcat meta for a while, and you could only deploy carriers like that with supercap superiority
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plus you just could not keep titan pilots subbed because they couldn't undock, and they couldn't login because we couldn't use them. the only titans we could keep reliably active were FC bridging titans. you got someone into a titan, it would get unsubbed and they themselves would feel like they reached the end of eve and unsub. so we had to keep flogging people to get titans, keep trying to build enough that we could use them someday, and not getting anywhere for so loving long. now, even i have two titans, because i thought perhaps one day i'd want a two-way titan bridge even though it is quite unlikely i can use them in combat. and that's fine, because they sit in a hangar in our keepstars and I can use those characters for anything else without having to be paranoid as gently caress about logging in evilweasel fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Landsknecht posted:i think some of the best alliances to be in right now if you're interested in actively playing are the ones in the E/SE, like TRI, skillu, and volta yeah i really hope that the meta shifts to more of an anarchic state with lots of medium-sized alliances rather than just a handful of big players refighting the same wars over and over again. krablands being so rich means that deploying farther than your borders is loving expensive, so alliances that live in 0.0 are less willing to go across the map to intervene in a random war when it means their flow of mining can get wrecked as a result.
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Landsknecht posted:the endgame of eve is going to be eso, tenal, and delve being hyperindustrialized, along with a trade route to hisec with citadels, you don't need to occupy space to effectively hurt the former occupants. you burn it to the ground and leave, that's a much more meaningful loss than the old "welp we're out some ihubs". before if you burned a region to the ground and left you didn't meaningfully hurt the other side, now they've got a repair bill in the trillions to get a good amount of moongoo mining/citadels/factories back up
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Landsknecht posted:it would be kinda cool for GSF to put up a number of keepstars around fade/pb/cr/dek and just burn the poo poo outta dumpsterco, or anyone else who tries to gain a presence in the region a keepstar, outside an area you're willing to defend it, is sort of a trap because people can just keep whacking at it and forcing you to overreact, and then blowing it up when you get tired of it it's easy enough to drop a keepstar when you want to go on the offensive rather than keep it there, we've got like 25 in delve we can scrounge up a new one whenever we need one
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Truga posted:Hi I used to play this game during 2008-2011 or so and I keep having the itch every now and then. Do I still want to have 4 accounts if I want to be self-sufficient in nullsec, or will alpha clones allow me to do that with just one? e: to clarify, I had a jump freighter and a carrier to move my poo poo between jita and nullsec, and I needed two cyno accounts basically to make it work between delve, fountain, and lowsec. In GSF at least someone operates a safe cyno fleet that thanks to how citadels work is safe enough to blind jump to since you can dock immediately. Getting to highsec is a bitch though, but there are shipping services for that.
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SolusLunes posted:Is there still a one-account-logged-in-at-a-time restriction on alphas? yes
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Prop Wash posted:I, Prop Wash, sincerely apologize on behalf of all goons for the unspeakable crime of forcing poor The Gigx to break the ToS and dox someone. also the repeated irl threats going along with the dox
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also i feel like immediately saying "btw no alliance assets were on that character at all" might as well be an admission everything of value in the alliance was on those accounts
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Sentinel posted:So as someone wanting to resub. This means wrecking ball is gone? long gone and if someone tried it we'd drop a fleet of titans on it and wreck it
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Dog Pipes posted:Ok, cheers. I've trained up the crucifier and mauler, so vigil is next up. Just want to get a few kills to help my confidence, I feel kinda lame asking for help all the time. You cannot do anything of importance in EVE without other people, and you basically can't figure EVE out enough to have fun on your own. Anyone playing eve got help when they were starting out, and any group in EVE functions only by being able to recruit new people so they want to help.
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Pomp posted:What's the best ship for solo WH ganking now? If a stratios is too much isk for you to risk, then you're asking the wrong question. You're going to die a lot before you get the hang of it so start with something you can afford to lose repeatedly.
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Landsknecht posted:so basically you have won the war and it's just a matter of time? you should blow up a few dumpsterco keepstars tbh believe they were covered by jammers, until just recently
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Kimsemus posted:I've honestly never looked at it this way but you're completely correct in my opinion. You can only trim so much before you begin cutting into the bone (core staff) and muscle (feature/content development). I think EVE has had some pretty gross and unacknowledged missteps in management in the past (Aurum in general), which has been beating the game with the current people in charge. A new board with new ideas might not be a bad thing. yeah, but the main concern here is the "when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail" effect. new management's experience is all in pay-to-win crap, so that's what they're instinctively going to reach to. if they put more money in and hire better people, great, but to the extent they're managing the company and calling the shots directly (ccp being "independent" means nothing because of course it's independent, until you really figure out how it works and who you want to replace and put in charge) its iffy at best we will see though, i agree with querns the existing management wasn't going to last and something had to give. ccp's owners clearly had lost faith in management and no longer wanted to own the company.
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Kimsemus posted:The big thing Pearl Abyss is long on is money though, which CCP is desperately, desperately short on. So something had to give. Also BDO really isn't that bad compared to models in games like anything Trion or Funcom puts out. that's good. if they didn't need to go into debt to buy the company, they will have less of a need to immediately juice revenue. if it had been a leveraged buyout then things likely would have gotten bad fast (hopefully it wasn't, i didn't confirm that).
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Kimsemus posted:I think them paying 425M USD for CCP is kind of a testament of how much cash PA must have on hand because I would have a hard time finding anyone who would value CCP at that amount, the only two things they have of value are EVE, and some proprietary networking/MMO related tech. CCP killed off their other IPs (White Wolf etc) and their last few releases were pretty bad. I don't know how their foray into VR went but it can't be anything special. EVE generates 86m in revenue a year and has been puttering along for a decade and a half so you can anticipate it's going to continue for a reasonable time. That's a very valuable asset, $425m doesn't strike me as all that high for just EVE.
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