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Bar Ran Dun
Jan 21, 2006

When there were five in the bed and we all rolled over I said nothing, because I would not fall off.

https://huntfish.mdc.mo.gov/hunting...t-safety-health

This is it, just wear good gloves i mean if you like rabbit. Iíve eaten just about everything but , (even sweet livers donít ask me what that is Iím not proud of it) rabbit is just ehhhhh.

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Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

I still can't believe they cast Spock as me. Spock! Can you imagine?

Of course, he was missing a few things.



Fritz the Horse posted:

Am I bad Christian for shooting ~10 rabbits in the last three days? I'm trying to protect my garden which will provide me with most of my vegetables all summer and into early fall.

This is a genuine and serious post for a number of reasons. I'd rather hear from y'guys* myriad perspectives rather than vomit my own thoughts.
From the Buddhist perspective I think this falls into the realm of "unfortunate, to be avoided if possible, but it's not going to doom you to ten million years dungeon." If you don't want to eat the flesh and make use of the rabbit bodies, perhaps set them out for other animals?

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Clear off, fatso, this is a respectable establishment




Fallen Rib

I think there'd be an argument that hunting is morally wrong if you're doing it just for the giggle, like you actively enjoy causing animals to suffer? But no, it's not unChristian to kill animals.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



As a Christian, I'm deeply divided and unsure of how to feel about the riots erupting across the US and was wondering if folks had any thoughts about it. I don't want people to die - and I'm afraid that if the riots continue and escalate the police and/or military is going to actively start firing with live ammunition - but I also understand the hopelessness, frustration, and anger driving the riots, and that some kind of pushback is long overdue.

https://i.imgur.com/p2qTTsC.mp4

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Clear off, fatso, this is a respectable establishment




Fallen Rib

The riots are a cry of pain and the response should be to find the source of the pain and heal it, not to condemn the cry.

So far the rioting is far from 'mindless' the way some have tried to frame it. I don't see destruction of property as inherently bad. Like you I'm afraid that the official response is going to escalate and cause deaths.

I know docbeard lives a stone's throw from the centre of the protests. I've visited him there a number of times, they're streets I know well. The rioting makes me sad but not half as sad as the murder of George Floyd.

BattyKiara
Mar 17, 2009


Early this morning I was awakened by screaming. Horrible, panic screams from someone who sounded more like an animal than a human. And I smelled smoke. Grabbing my bra, a teeshirt, and a skirt, discarding my night gown (No, I didn't grab knickers, human brains are weird) I got out. The house across the street from mine was a massive wall of flame.

A woman, about 60-65? Was the source of screams. I grabbed her, and hugged her. I wanted her to calm down. She was crying in my arms when I saw that a human was trapped behind a large window, on the second floor. He was banging on the window pane when the building collapsed in on itself. At least the widow did NOT see that! Because I don't think I will forget that sight, or that sound, for a while.

Fire crew arrived, ambulance crew took over crying woman. I am not hurt. I am also not a drama queen. This is NOT about me. But can you all please pray for this surviving woman, who I THINK is called Angelina, and for the soul of her husband, who I never knew the name of and cannot remember seeing before today?

Please God, however you plan for me to die, please don't make it flames! Now it is 7 in the evening, and adrenaline is leaving my body...I want to curl up in bed, but since my flat smells like fire I guess I'll stay up and air out the place.

docbeard
Jul 18, 2011

Modern worldly poster

BattyKiara posted:

Early this morning I was awakened by screaming. Horrible, panic screams from someone who sounded more like an animal than a human. And I smelled smoke. Grabbing my bra, a teeshirt, and a skirt, discarding my night gown (No, I didn't grab knickers, human brains are weird) I got out. The house across the street from mine was a massive wall of flame.

A woman, about 60-65? Was the source of screams. I grabbed her, and hugged her. I wanted her to calm down. She was crying in my arms when I saw that a human was trapped behind a large window, on the second floor. He was banging on the window pane when the building collapsed in on itself. At least the widow did NOT see that! Because I don't think I will forget that sight, or that sound, for a while.

Fire crew arrived, ambulance crew took over crying woman. I am not hurt. I am also not a drama queen. This is NOT about me. But can you all please pray for this surviving woman, who I THINK is called Angelina, and for the soul of her husband, who I never knew the name of and cannot remember seeing before today?

Please God, however you plan for me to die, please don't make it flames! Now it is 7 in the evening, and adrenaline is leaving my body...I want to curl up in bed, but since my flat smells like fire I guess I'll stay up and air out the place.

I'm glad you're okay, and I'm glad you were in a position to help that woman!

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Clear off, fatso, this is a respectable establishment




Fallen Rib

BattyKiara posted:

Early this morning I was awakened by screaming. Horrible, panic screams from someone who sounded more like an animal than a human. And I smelled smoke. Grabbing my bra, a teeshirt, and a skirt, discarding my night gown (No, I didn't grab knickers, human brains are weird) I got out. The house across the street from mine was a massive wall of flame.

A woman, about 60-65? Was the source of screams. I grabbed her, and hugged her. I wanted her to calm down. She was crying in my arms when I saw that a human was trapped behind a large window, on the second floor. He was banging on the window pane when the building collapsed in on itself. At least the widow did NOT see that! Because I don't think I will forget that sight, or that sound, for a while.

Fire crew arrived, ambulance crew took over crying woman. I am not hurt. I am also not a drama queen. This is NOT about me. But can you all please pray for this surviving woman, who I THINK is called Angelina, and for the soul of her husband, who I never knew the name of and cannot remember seeing before today?

Please God, however you plan for me to die, please don't make it flames! Now it is 7 in the evening, and adrenaline is leaving my body...I want to curl up in bed, but since my flat smells like fire I guess I'll stay up and air out the place.

augh I'm sorry that happened! I'm glad you could be there for her. Poor woman.

docbeard
Jul 18, 2011

Modern worldly poster

Cythereal, like you, my thoughts on all of this are super scrambled. Like HopperUK mentioned, I'm a short distance away from where all this started in Minneapolis. More, I lived in that actual neighborhood for years, and for a while was two blocks from Lake & Minnehaha where the Third Precinct was. The places that burned were places I walked and shopped and lived.

I don't even know where to begin articulating how I feel about it all, but justice and peace in equal measure are what I pray for, and it's people, not property, for which I weep. (Well, mostly. A favorite bookstore appears to be destroyed, and that hurts, but not nearly as much as seeing a man executed with impunity by the police does.)

My roommate and I are safe where we are, at least for now, and I think and pray that will remain the case. (Getting groceries is gonna be tricky for a while.)

Related:

https://twitter.com/MyGalaxyBTSArmy...3047703553?s=20

(A lot of people in the comments are saying that these are probably Old Order Mennonites rather than the Amish, and I think they're probably right.)

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Fun Shoe

Fritz the Horse posted:

Am I bad Christian for shooting ~10 rabbits in the last three days? I'm trying to protect my garden which will provide me with most of my vegetables all summer and into early fall.

This is a genuine and serious post for a number of reasons. I'd rather hear from y'guys* myriad perspectives rather than vomit my own thoughts.




* "You guys" is how Midwesterners refer to groups of people in a non-gender-specific way. It's like the Southern "y'all" but the winters are brutal and you exclaim "uff da!" when poked.

Take precautions if you're going to eat them, rabbits can carry parasites this time of year. If you're just doing pest removal, then there's nothing morally wrong with it, it's one of those things that's been necessary since agriculture became a concept ~11k years ago.

Cythereal posted:

As a Christian, I'm deeply divided and unsure of how to feel about the riots erupting across the US and was wondering if folks had any thoughts about it. I don't want people to die - and I'm afraid that if the riots continue and escalate the police and/or military is going to actively start firing with live ammunition - but I also understand the hopelessness, frustration, and anger driving the riots, and that some kind of pushback is long overdue.

I rarely like 'what would Jesus do', but it's a valid question. What would Christ do when faced with authority unjustly killing the innocent?

Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jun 1, 2020

Tias
May 25, 2008

Deyr fe,
deyja fraendr,
deyr sjalfr it sama,
ek veit einn,
at aldrei deyr:
domr um daudan hvern.


Fritz the Horse posted:

Am I bad Christian for shooting ~10 rabbits in the last three days? I'm trying to protect my garden which will provide me with most of my vegetables all summer and into early fall.

I'm clearly not the guy for an expert opinion, but last I checked the beasts of the field were given unto you. Unless you enjoy it more than spiritual pursuits (fursuits?) I think you're good.

If it bugs you, and I understand, there are numerous ways to keep vermin out of a garden without shooting them. Proper barrier fencing, removing bushes and other places that offer them from predators, or a guard dog or mechanic repellents.

I'd add as well that you should consider using the rabbits. Tan the hides, feed the meat to folks who need it, and give the rest back to nature.

Cythereal posted:

As a Christian, I'm deeply divided and unsure of how to feel about the riots erupting across the US and was wondering if folks had any thoughts about it. I don't want people to die - and I'm afraid that if the riots continue and escalate the police and/or military is going to actively start firing with live ammunition - but I also understand the hopelessness, frustration, and anger driving the riots, and that some kind of pushback is long overdue.

https://i.imgur.com/p2qTTsC.mp4

It is the longest overdue. I understand that it worries you, because it worries me too, but it can't be helped with the political system that breeds it. The riots may well continue and escalate because the police are using agents provocateur to initiate confrontations in which they are allowed to use lethal force.

There are a great many civic organizations that provide legal, medicinal and financial aid to families caught in the insanity, so if you can do nothing else, wire some money?

BattyKiara
Mar 17, 2009


Cythereal posted:

As a Christian, I'm deeply divided and unsure of how to feel about the riots erupting across the US and was wondering if folks had any thoughts about it. I don't want people to die - and I'm afraid that if the riots continue and escalate the police and/or military is going to actively start firing with live ammunition - but I also understand the hopelessness, frustration, and anger driving the riots, and that some kind of pushback is long overdue.

https://i.imgur.com/p2qTTsC.mp4

Violence is not acceptable. So while I fully UNDERSTAND the rioters and why this is happening, I cannot support it. Peaceful protests on the other hand is firmly in the sign me up! category. I like the idea of white people going between and acting like "shields" when people of colour protest.
Also, the whole system needs changing. We need to start with small things. Let it be socially unacceptable to drop casual, racist remarks. Let's not, in the name of "keeping the family peace" accept that one racist uncle's "jokes". Let's start talking to, and get to know, and listen to, our neighbours, co-workers, etc of colour when they tell their stories and learn from their experiences. Let us accept that majority populations will never truly understand the lives of minorities, but we can listen to their stories, and believe them.

docbeard
Jul 18, 2011

Modern worldly poster

Liquid Communism posted:

I rarely like 'what would Jesus do', but it's a valid question. What would Christ do when faced with authority unjustly killing the innocent?

Raising the dead is unfortunately not an option for most of us.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



BattyKiara posted:

Violence is not acceptable. So while I fully UNDERSTAND the rioters and why this is happening, I cannot support it. Peaceful protests on the other hand is firmly in the sign me up! category. I like the idea of white people going between and acting like "shields" when people of colour protest.

For me, the problem is: what do you do when peaceful protests simply do not work? Because that's my read on the situation. I live in a country where profound and systemic institutional racism is part of the bedrock of our society. Law enforcement is accountable to no one, least of all the people they supposedly protect. Black men are arrested far out of proportion to their population, and often given vastly disproportionate prison sentences where they are typically used as legal slave labor - when they're not simply killed out of hand, as are gay people, the mentally disabled, and other minorities. The purported leader of the national government is a senile, sociopathic narcissist and rapist who is throwing gasoline on the fire. Peaceful left-wing protests and efforts to change society are ineffective and ignored by the media and society.

And Christianity in America has been deeply corrupted in the service of these secular evils into becoming, for many, a tool of oppression.

I deplore violence, and people dying deeply distresses me. But at the same time, I simply cannot see a way things change for the better without violence.

https://i.imgur.com/AoVJYdu.mp4

Cythereal fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jun 1, 2020

BattyKiara
Mar 17, 2009


We all have to find our own way to God. God's plan for you may not be the same as for me. I strongly feel that non-violence is my path, and that I need to accept the limitations. But I also believe in "Judge not" so I accept that your path may be very different from mine.

WrenP-Complete
Jul 27, 2012



BattyKiara, I'm so glad you're okay and were able to help that lady.

My partner in (rabbinic) crime finally has his spine operation tomorrow.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



BattyKiara posted:

We all have to find our own way to God. God's plan for you may not be the same as for me. I strongly feel that non-violence is my path, and that I need to accept the limitations. But I also believe in "Judge not" so I accept that your path may be very different from mine.

I'm not involved in the protests, there haven't been any where I live and none closer than a couple hours' drive. I'm non-violent by nature, and non-confrontational in general. I abhor violence and death. But I just don't see a good, non-violent way any of this ends.

As I admitted to God last night when I prayed, I'm scared in so many different ways about so many different things all mixed up in this. I don't see a good way out. But I hope that God sees what I cannot, and I accept that His wisdom is greater than mine.

As I always pray when I feel helpless: Lord, let Your will be done. Do with me and my life as You will.

https://i.imgur.com/VwMkkCN.mp4

Epicurius
Apr 10, 2010


College Slice

Cythereal posted:

I'm not involved in the protests, there haven't been any where I live and none closer than a couple hours' drive. I'm non-violent by nature, and non-confrontational in general. I abhor violence and death. But I just don't see a good, non-violent way any of this ends.

Do you see any good, violent ways it ends, then?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009



Epicurius posted:

Do you see any good, violent ways it ends, then?

No.

https://i.imgur.com/N166YG3.gifv

docbeard
Jul 18, 2011

Modern worldly poster

I can't speak for Friends/Quakers, but Mennonite pacifism/nonresistance has never really had its roots in the idea that nonviolence gets better results (though of course you'll get people saying that). It's more that we, as followers of Christ, do not take up the sword (of personal or state-sanctioned violence), come what may. And while I do believe that's the best way, it sits uneasy with me when I'm not the one being threatened.

I don't know how this ends. I don't know what the right thing is, but I think it has to start with loving service to those who are suffering. And that means cries for justice on behalf of those who survive and those who didn't, and it means offering comfort and support where we can in whatever way we can. I don't think it means moralizing, and it may well mean asking for forgiveness.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 21, 2006

When there were five in the bed and we all rolled over I said nothing, because I would not fall off.

BattyKiara posted:

Violence is not acceptable. So while I fully UNDERSTAND the rioters and why this is happening, I cannot support it.

Except we have an example of similar actions by Jesus:

And He entered the temple and began to drive out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves; 16 and He would not permit anyone to carry merchandise through the temple. 17 And He began to teach and say to them, ďIs it not written, ĎMy house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nationsí? But you have made it a robbersí den.Ē

I mean itís half of what gets him crucified. The other half being mocking a Roman triumphant entry.

Similar actions now are still producing the same result, state violence leveraged against individuals. One could respond: but that was the temple, yes. But what is the house of the brother and sisters of Jesus, of Godís children? Godís earth.

I often find myself thinking of Romans 8. For what the law was powerless to do. Thatís with us very much right now. Large numbers of people are finding the law not only powerless but malign. This weekend I saw in the USpol thread, a peaceful protestor intentionally trampled by a horse, police vehicles running over protestors, many journalists arrested or shot with non lethal rounds and this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/chadlode...ingawful.com%2f

Violence is not acceptable. The violence of the law, of a state, isnít acceptable either. It goes back to ďSin is a state before it is an actĒ sometimes we sin because we want to continue existing. So how do I try to look at it? I try not to do theodicy. Iíve mentioned a tool from theology of the cross: Where are the parties involved relative to the cross? Who is on the cross, who is crucifying, where am I relative to to what is occurring?

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Bar Ran Dun
Jan 21, 2006

When there were five in the bed and we all rolled over I said nothing, because I would not fall off.

A good book

https://www.amazon.com/Scandalous-G...s/dp/0800638956

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