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Fritz the Horse posted:Am I bad Christian for shooting ~10 rabbits in the last three days? I'm trying to protect my garden which will provide me with most of my vegetables all summer and into early fall.
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I think there'd be an argument that hunting is morally wrong if you're doing it just for the giggle, like you actively enjoy causing animals to suffer? But no, it's not unChristian to kill animals.
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As a Christian, I'm deeply divided and unsure of how to feel about the riots erupting across the US and was wondering if folks had any thoughts about it. I don't want people to die - and I'm afraid that if the riots continue and escalate the police and/or military is going to actively start firing with live ammunition - but I also understand the hopelessness, frustration, and anger driving the riots, and that some kind of pushback is long overdue. https://i.imgur.com/p2qTTsC.mp4
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The riots are a cry of pain and the response should be to find the source of the pain and heal it, not to condemn the cry. So far the rioting is far from 'mindless' the way some have tried to frame it. I don't see destruction of property as inherently bad. Like you I'm afraid that the official response is going to escalate and cause deaths. I know docbeard lives a stone's throw from the centre of the protests. I've visited him there a number of times, they're streets I know well. The rioting makes me sad but not half as sad as the murder of George Floyd.
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Early this morning I was awakened by screaming. Horrible, panic screams from someone who sounded more like an animal than a human. And I smelled smoke. Grabbing my bra, a teeshirt, and a skirt, discarding my night gown (No, I didn't grab knickers, human brains are weird) I got out. The house across the street from mine was a massive wall of flame. A woman, about 60-65? Was the source of screams. I grabbed her, and hugged her. I wanted her to calm down. She was crying in my arms when I saw that a human was trapped behind a large window, on the second floor. He was banging on the window pane when the building collapsed in on itself. At least the widow did NOT see that! Because I don't think I will forget that sight, or that sound, for a while. Fire crew arrived, ambulance crew took over crying woman. I am not hurt. I am also not a drama queen. This is NOT about me. But can you all please pray for this surviving woman, who I THINK is called Angelina, and for the soul of her husband, who I never knew the name of and cannot remember seeing before today? Please God, however you plan for me to die, please don't make it flames! Now it is 7 in the evening, and adrenaline is leaving my body...I want to curl up in bed, but since my flat smells like fire I guess I'll stay up and air out the place.
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BattyKiara posted:Early this morning I was awakened by screaming. Horrible, panic screams from someone who sounded more like an animal than a human. And I smelled smoke. Grabbing my bra, a teeshirt, and a skirt, discarding my night gown (No, I didn't grab knickers, human brains are weird) I got out. The house across the street from mine was a massive wall of flame. I'm glad you're okay, and I'm glad you were in a position to help that woman!
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BattyKiara posted:Early this morning I was awakened by screaming. Horrible, panic screams from someone who sounded more like an animal than a human. And I smelled smoke. Grabbing my bra, a teeshirt, and a skirt, discarding my night gown (No, I didn't grab knickers, human brains are weird) I got out. The house across the street from mine was a massive wall of flame. augh I'm sorry that happened! I'm glad you could be there for her. Poor woman.
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Cythereal, like you, my thoughts on all of this are super scrambled. Like HopperUK mentioned, I'm a short distance away from where all this started in Minneapolis. More, I lived in that actual neighborhood for years, and for a while was two blocks from Lake & Minnehaha where the Third Precinct was. The places that burned were places I walked and shopped and lived. I don't even know where to begin articulating how I feel about it all, but justice and peace in equal measure are what I pray for, and it's people, not property, for which I weep. (Well, mostly. A favorite bookstore appears to be destroyed, and that hurts, but not nearly as much as seeing a man executed with impunity by the police does.) My roommate and I are safe where we are, at least for now, and I think and pray that will remain the case. (Getting groceries is gonna be tricky for a while.) Related: https://twitter.com/MyGalaxyBTSArmy/status/1266596273047703553?s=20 (A lot of people in the comments are saying that these are probably Old Order Mennonites rather than the Amish, and I think they're probably right.)
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Fritz the Horse posted:Am I bad Christian for shooting ~10 rabbits in the last three days? I'm trying to protect my garden which will provide me with most of my vegetables all summer and into early fall. Take precautions if you're going to eat them, rabbits can carry parasites this time of year. If you're just doing pest removal, then there's nothing morally wrong with it, it's one of those things that's been necessary since agriculture became a concept ~11k years ago. Cythereal posted:As a Christian, I'm deeply divided and unsure of how to feel about the riots erupting across the US and was wondering if folks had any thoughts about it. I don't want people to die - and I'm afraid that if the riots continue and escalate the police and/or military is going to actively start firing with live ammunition - but I also understand the hopelessness, frustration, and anger driving the riots, and that some kind of pushback is long overdue. I rarely like 'what would Jesus do', but it's a valid question. What would Christ do when faced with authority unjustly killing the innocent? Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Jun 1, 2020 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:Am I bad Christian for shooting ~10 rabbits in the last three days? I'm trying to protect my garden which will provide me with most of my vegetables all summer and into early fall. I'm clearly not the guy for an expert opinion, but last I checked the beasts of the field were given unto you. Unless you enjoy it more than spiritual pursuits (fursuits?) I think you're good. If it bugs you, and I understand, there are numerous ways to keep vermin out of a garden without shooting them. Proper barrier fencing, removing bushes and other places that offer them from predators, or a guard dog or mechanic repellents. I'd add as well that you should consider using the rabbits. Tan the hides, feed the meat to folks who need it, and give the rest back to nature. Cythereal posted:As a Christian, I'm deeply divided and unsure of how to feel about the riots erupting across the US and was wondering if folks had any thoughts about it. I don't want people to die - and I'm afraid that if the riots continue and escalate the police and/or military is going to actively start firing with live ammunition - but I also understand the hopelessness, frustration, and anger driving the riots, and that some kind of pushback is long overdue. It is the longest overdue. I understand that it worries you, because it worries me too, but it can't be helped with the political system that breeds it. The riots may well continue and escalate because the police are using agents provocateur to initiate confrontations in which they are allowed to use lethal force. There are a great many civic organizations that provide legal, medicinal and financial aid to families caught in the insanity, so if you can do nothing else, wire some money?
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Cythereal posted:As a Christian, I'm deeply divided and unsure of how to feel about the riots erupting across the US and was wondering if folks had any thoughts about it. I don't want people to die - and I'm afraid that if the riots continue and escalate the police and/or military is going to actively start firing with live ammunition - but I also understand the hopelessness, frustration, and anger driving the riots, and that some kind of pushback is long overdue. Violence is not acceptable. So while I fully UNDERSTAND the rioters and why this is happening, I cannot support it. Peaceful protests on the other hand is firmly in the sign me up! category. I like the idea of white people going between and acting like "shields" when people of colour protest. Also, the whole system needs changing. We need to start with small things. Let it be socially unacceptable to drop casual, racist remarks. Let's not, in the name of "keeping the family peace" accept that one racist uncle's "jokes". Let's start talking to, and get to know, and listen to, our neighbours, co-workers, etc of colour when they tell their stories and learn from their experiences. Let us accept that majority populations will never truly understand the lives of minorities, but we can listen to their stories, and believe them.
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Liquid Communism posted:I rarely like 'what would Jesus do', but it's a valid question. What would Christ do when faced with authority unjustly killing the innocent? Raising the dead is unfortunately not an option for most of us.
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BattyKiara posted:Violence is not acceptable. So while I fully UNDERSTAND the rioters and why this is happening, I cannot support it. Peaceful protests on the other hand is firmly in the sign me up! category. I like the idea of white people going between and acting like "shields" when people of colour protest. For me, the problem is: what do you do when peaceful protests simply do not work? Because that's my read on the situation. I live in a country where profound and systemic institutional racism is part of the bedrock of our society. Law enforcement is accountable to no one, least of all the people they supposedly protect. Black men are arrested far out of proportion to their population, and often given vastly disproportionate prison sentences where they are typically used as legal slave labor - when they're not simply killed out of hand, as are gay people, the mentally disabled, and other minorities. The purported leader of the national government is a senile, sociopathic narcissist and rapist who is throwing gasoline on the fire. Peaceful left-wing protests and efforts to change society are ineffective and ignored by the media and society. And Christianity in America has been deeply corrupted in the service of these secular evils into becoming, for many, a tool of oppression. I deplore violence, and people dying deeply distresses me. But at the same time, I simply cannot see a way things change for the better without violence. https://i.imgur.com/AoVJYdu.mp4 Cythereal fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jun 1, 2020 |
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We all have to find our own way to God. God's plan for you may not be the same as for me. I strongly feel that non-violence is my path, and that I need to accept the limitations. But I also believe in "Judge not" so I accept that your path may be very different from mine.
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BattyKiara, I'm so glad you're okay and were able to help that lady. My partner in (rabbinic) crime finally has his spine operation tomorrow.
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BattyKiara posted:We all have to find our own way to God. God's plan for you may not be the same as for me. I strongly feel that non-violence is my path, and that I need to accept the limitations. But I also believe in "Judge not" so I accept that your path may be very different from mine. I'm not involved in the protests, there haven't been any where I live and none closer than a couple hours' drive. I'm non-violent by nature, and non-confrontational in general. I abhor violence and death. But I just don't see a good, non-violent way any of this ends. As I admitted to God last night when I prayed, I'm scared in so many different ways about so many different things all mixed up in this. I don't see a good way out. But I hope that God sees what I cannot, and I accept that His wisdom is greater than mine. As I always pray when I feel helpless: Lord, let Your will be done. Do with me and my life as You will. https://i.imgur.com/VwMkkCN.mp4
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Cythereal posted:I'm not involved in the protests, there haven't been any where I live and none closer than a couple hours' drive. I'm non-violent by nature, and non-confrontational in general. I abhor violence and death. But I just don't see a good, non-violent way any of this ends. Do you see any good, violent ways it ends, then?
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Epicurius posted:Do you see any good, violent ways it ends, then? No. https://i.imgur.com/N166YG3.gifv
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I can't speak for Friends/Quakers, but Mennonite pacifism/nonresistance has never really had its roots in the idea that nonviolence gets better results (though of course you'll get people saying that). It's more that we, as followers of Christ, do not take up the sword (of personal or state-sanctioned violence), come what may. And while I do believe that's the best way, it sits uneasy with me when I'm not the one being threatened. I don't know how this ends. I don't know what the right thing is, but I think it has to start with loving service to those who are suffering. And that means cries for justice on behalf of those who survive and those who didn't, and it means offering comfort and support where we can in whatever way we can. I don't think it means moralizing, and it may well mean asking for forgiveness.
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BattyKiara posted:Violence is not acceptable. So while I fully UNDERSTAND the rioters and why this is happening, I cannot support it. Except we have an example of similar actions by Jesus: And He entered the temple and began to drive out those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves; 16 and He would not permit anyone to carry merchandise through the temple. 17 And He began to teach and say to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it a robbers’ den.” I mean it’s half of what gets him crucified. The other half being mocking a Roman triumphant entry. Similar actions now are still producing the same result, state violence leveraged against individuals. One could respond: but that was the temple, yes. But what is the house of the brother and sisters of Jesus, of God’s children? God’s earth. I often find myself thinking of Romans 8. For what the law was powerless to do. That’s with us very much right now. Large numbers of people are finding the law not only powerless but malign. This weekend I saw in the USpol thread, a peaceful protestor intentionally trampled by a horse, police vehicles running over protestors, many journalists arrested or shot with non lethal rounds and this: https://mobile.twitter.com/chadloder/status/1266952661791674370?ref_url=http%3a%2f%2fforums.somethingawful.com%2f Violence is not acceptable. The violence of the law, of a state, isn’t acceptable either. It goes back to “Sin is a state before it is an act” sometimes we sin because we want to continue existing. So how do I try to look at it? I try not to do theodicy. I’ve mentioned a tool from theology of the cross: Where are the parties involved relative to the cross? Who is on the cross, who is crucifying, where am I relative to to what is occurring?
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A good book https://www.amazon.com/Scandalous-God-PB-Abuse-Cross/dp/0800638956
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The Ball and the Cross posted:The Master was standing in the middle of the room surveying the scene like a great artist looking at a completed picture. Handsome as he looked, they had never seen so clearly what was really hateful in his face; and even then they could only express it by saying that the arched brows and the long emphatic chin gave it always a look of being lit from below, like the face of some infernal actor.
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Some church leaders are not only not speaking out, they're censoring anyone that even attempts it: (I don't know anything about this demonination so I don't know what they're like in general, but I see no reason for that post to be removeD)
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Does it really surprise any American to see secular politics influence religious orgs?
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I mean what are we even good for if we can't speak up at a moment like this? (Not everyone is being silent but there's a conspicuous absence of faith leaders in the national conversation right now)
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The church I'm watching these days is one of the whitest churches in one of the whitest areas of the deep south. It's theologically and politically conservative. Very conservative. The pastor spent a lot of time in the sermon last Sunday condemning bigotry and prejudice. Nobody disagreed as far as I can tell. Just because they're not on CNN or Fox doesn't mean they're not shepherding their flocks. I don't think Christians can ever justify breaking or taking stuff that belongs to innocent third parties. But protesting peacefully for something good is good. When violence against guilty third parties is ok is a hard question, and I'm not going to risk getting it wrong.
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Liquid Communism posted:Does it really surprise any American to see secular politics influence religious orgs? I figure these things are not surprising, but they are disappointing, and the fact that this disappointment has become systemic or even predictable does not make it good or beyond condemnation.
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Like TOOT BOOT says, there's a lot of folks who are conspicuously silent right now. Glad to see some folks not hesitating to speak up, though: https://twitter.com/mboorstein/status/1267607428293636096
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Liquid Communism posted:Like TOOT BOOT says, there's a lot of folks who are conspicuously silent right now. I'm really hard pressed to think of a word to describe tear gassing clergy providing medical on sanctified ground for a photo op and a campaign video aside from "blasphemy."
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Nth Doctor posted:I'm really hard pressed to think of a word to describe tear gassing clergy providing medical on sanctified ground for a photo op and a campaign video aside from "blasphemy." Evil. There's no shades of grey there, that is straight-up evil.
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Liquid Communism posted:Like TOOT BOOT says, there's a lot of folks who are conspicuously silent right now. yeah the moment I realized it was St John's he was going to I immediately thought there was no WAY either priest or bishop had given informed assent to his stunt was glad to see the bishop went the extra mile, I'd heard she was a good egg 
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GreyjoyBastard posted:yeah the moment I realized it was St John's he was going to I immediately thought there was no WAY either priest or bishop had given informed assent to his stunt Even worse, one of the people gassed was a priest of the diocese. https://twitter.com/jackmjenkins/status/1267644542762864641
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Archbishop Gregory (who used to be my bishop back in Atlanta) out with a strong statement on the President's visit to the JPII shrine. https://twitter.com/WashArchdiocese/status/1267837240815697925
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Liquid Communism posted:Even worse, one of the people gassed was a priest of the diocese. Please don't take this the wrong way when I say I am very glad the priest was one of the people getting gassed.
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Who's got the lead on reliable, non-politically motivated scholarship on the Book of Daniel? Specifically the etymology of 11:38, the reference to a "god of fortesses/forces" ;. "Deus Maozim" or Mauzzim it's sometimes written. the fact that you think there exists "non politically motivated" biblical scholarship proves that you are not someone who should be seeking out biblical scholarship
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BattyKiara posted:Violence is not acceptable. So while I fully UNDERSTAND the rioters and why this is happening, I cannot support it. None of the protestors in Minnesota have committed acts of violence. Even the truck driver who tried to mow down hundreds of demonstrators was protected by those same demonstrators until police arrived to arrest him. The huge majority of violence this entire time has been committed by police and military. I have been on the ground providing aid to displaced families and dehydrated demonstrators, and half-baked hot takes from the other side of the world like this don't help.
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Hey, Lutha, what kind of response has your father had to all this? I know as a member of the clergy and from what you’ve posted about him this whole situation must be weighing on him heavily.
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He supports better race relations, while at the same time I think he is worried that things will spiral out of control. When Trump was elected, one of his big worries was that extremists would feel emboldened to do terrorism like the KKK used to do when he was a kid. I think his bigger concern right now is keeping his elderly parishioners free of the rona. And that's fine with me.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:He supports better race relations, while at the same time I think he is worried that things will spiral out of control. When Trump was elected, one of his big worries was that extremists would feel emboldened to do terrorism like the KKK used to do when he was a kid. I can see where that would be extremely pressing for his ministry.
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