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# ¿ Aug 19, 2018 03:38

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 00:08

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Lutha Mahtin posted:

i went to an orthodox service today and a goon handed me some bread, am i orthodox now? i ate the bread

e: also i am very disappointed because my dad said orthodox services were hours and hours long and this was clearly like 90 minutes tops

No, that's the antidoron, everybody gets that, Orthodox or not. You're not Orthodox until the priest swabs your hands with oil.

Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Aug 20, 2018

# ¿ Aug 20, 2018 03:43

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The Phlegmatist posted:

your hands? you mean the orthodox don't rub oil all over your face? weak.

No, IIRC, they do your face, too. Even your ears.

# ¿ Aug 20, 2018 04:56

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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I told my priest about that a few years ago, and he said it scandalized him.

# ¿ Aug 20, 2018 19:33

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Huh. Well. Speaking of Orthodox weddings, that passage from Ephesians happens to be one of the readings at the marriage service.

Though there it starts two verses earlier: "Brethren, give thanks always for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God the Father. Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ."

(The other reading is the Wedding at Cana.)

# ¿ Aug 21, 2018 04:59

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Worthleast posted:

Traditional Catholic rite has that passage as the epistle, but I've always heard the priest insist upon the man's part: Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church. And then they point out that Christ literally died on the cross for the Church.

I sometimes like to look at St. John Chrysostom's 20th homily on Ephesians, about 70% of which is directed to the husband. He exhorts men to, as Deteriorata says, put the wife's needs first, to do everything out of love for her, and he specifically condemns domestic violence. "For what sort of union is that, where the wife trembles at her husband? And what sort of pleasure will the husband himself enjoy, if he dwells with his wife as with a slave, and not as with a free-woman?" He even suggests that men have the heavier responsibility, since we're the ones specifically commanded to love our wives--in other words, to sacrifice and endure for her sake.

He also talks a lot about the dangers of greed for a marriage.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2018 17:23

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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After some digging, I found a different version, with no anti-semitic bits:

# ¿ Aug 22, 2018 21:34

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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HEY GUNS posted:

i've got this hunger for orthodox poo poo right now and r/orthodoxchristianity is too small and too slow moving. are there any other forums out there that don't suck, or should i just find one of you at random and text about theology all day

I used to post at Ship of Fools, though I kind of developed a similar "too small and too slow moving" issue. But you might give them a shot.

# ¿ Aug 23, 2018 15:22

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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HEY GUNS posted:

the tradcaths whose blogs i've looked at don't believe in medjugorje, but the devout and weird Vatican II Catholics i know are all about it. the tradcaths are more into fatima, i think. but it's been a long time since i've been out of that world

I never knew any Charismatic Catholics, but when i was in high school the parents of my two best friends were deeply devout and edging into weird territory. in retrospect I wonder if they might have been involved in that?

I think I've mentioned it before, but my mom once visited a Charismatic Catholic church that was run by our old priest, and she mostly found it dull, and thought they were trying too hard.

I may have also mentioned the time my parents went to a shrine in Alabama I think is associated somehow with Medjugorje, and it creeped them right out.

# ¿ Aug 24, 2018 17:23

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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All I really remember is that there were apparently these kids working there, asking them these really intrusive questions. Not sexual, or anything, but beyond regular small talk. I'd have to ask them how much they remember. We had an extensive discussion on whether this had anything to do with the 37th parallel, which is apparently associated with the paranormal.

# ¿ Aug 24, 2018 17:42

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Epicurius posted:

They're the creepy cult guys who are fighting with the Bishop and EWTN, right?

I believe it's the exact one.

# ¿ Aug 24, 2018 20:29

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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That's exactly what it means; it tends to be pretty common in Orthodoxy. I have nothing against it, though I haven't exactly taken it as my own. I still stick with "passed away" or "died."

May Andrew's memory be eternal.

# ¿ Aug 25, 2018 04:14

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Has anybody actually tried reading Moldbug's manifesto? I could only get through parts three or four. It's even more tl;dr than tl;dr.

Tias posted:

Almost none of the DE are techno-utopists or transhumanists, they only care about hating others and technology (save for their dark web safe space) rarely scratches that itch well enough.

The weird thing about the DE is that a lot of them are Silicon Valley types. IIRC, one of the first people to really hype it up in the early '10's was some trans Google employee who claimed to be a big part of OWS.

Or maybe it's not weird, because if tech companies have proven anything, it's that they do not have a healthy relationship with democracy and justice.

Senju Kannon posted:

�who are you?�

�i�m you but racist�

Worst "We're not so different" villain speech ever.

Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Aug 29, 2018

# ¿ Aug 29, 2018 20:23

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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There's a UK flag in the corner you can use to switch to English: http://basilica.ro/en/twelve-philippine-women-baptized-in-cyprus/

# ¿ Sep 7, 2018 14:04

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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And then you get the people who want to talk about Teh ~~Jews~~Zionists and white genocide then respond to pushback with "What even is racism, man?"

EDIT: r/Catholicism seems like it could really use some version of Godwinopoulos's Law (first person to impugn someone's orthodoxy/tell them to go to confession loses and gets the post deleted).

Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Sep 9, 2018

# ¿ Sep 9, 2018 02:58

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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At least the A-1 sauce is interested in other foods. If anything, the really pernicious sauces are the packets at Taco Bell. Those have creeped me out for ages.

# ¿ Sep 9, 2018 03:50

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Is it actually possible I've known about Hyperdox Herman longer than Hegel?

https://twitter.com/NostromoSerg/status/1040398864057028608
https://twitter.com/NostromoSerg/status/1040398975524909057

# ¿ Sep 14, 2018 01:41

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COdkHuogVkw

# ¿ Sep 15, 2018 21:22

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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I love how John Belushi counts because of that one appearance in Marvel Team-Up.

# ¿ Sep 17, 2018 19:48

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Well, in that case, can you recommend a place to start with him? I looked through Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future a few months ago, and I'm still kind of salty over his comments about science fiction.

# ¿ Sep 20, 2018 20:21

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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HEY GUNS posted:

I think most of the things he says that we reject are due to the fact that it was the 70s. When he talks about New Age religions, like it's California in the 70s and culty little groups really were everywhere and some of them really were harmful.

I'm entirely inclined to assume it's something about California itself. Just this last weekend I was reading up on Jack Parsons, the rocket engineer who helped start the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and, oh yeah, teamed up with L. Ron Hubbard to perform a black magic ritual based on Aleister Crowley's ideas that summoned a hot redhead for Parsons to marry--and all this in the 40's.

# ¿ Sep 21, 2018 01:09

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Tias posted:

I used to date a hermetic, and the hot redhead (Marjorie Cameron) was already present IIRC, the ritual was to to use her (imbued as she was with Babalon, a powerful spirit entity) to conceive a magic child with Parsons.

Everything I'd read said that Cameron had showed up after the ritual started, though she did of course participate in them as they went along.

# ¿ Sep 21, 2018 14:13

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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I'm pretty sure my priest has a salary, but then, according to our bishop, our parish is home to people whose fundraising and accounting are apparently directly responsible for keeping the whole Metropolis solvent. So we lucked out in having a good budget.

Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Sep 26, 2018

# ¿ Sep 26, 2018 05:03

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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This weekend I'm going to a conference for Orthodox young adults in Atlanta, and I thought the thread would be interested to know about the party they're having on Saturday. The theme? Silly hats.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2018 17:14

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Sure, the Octo-Mary seems gentle and inviting, but then you get too close, it takes off its disguise, and...

# ¿ Oct 3, 2018 20:28

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Oh, I thought you were talking about the Twitter account. You never know sometimes.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2018 18:39

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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And Mt Athos, and the Greek US Archdiocese.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2018 20:04

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Nope. As I said in the Reddit thread, GOARCH is under the EP, the Church of Greece is autocephalous.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2018 20:12

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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HEY GUNS posted:

edit: the more fucks we give the more russia wins, since their soft power relies on persuading the world they are the leader of all the orthodox (lol)

Oh yeah. I never heard Ukraine come up once at my parish yesterday, so I think our priorities are straight.

# ¿ Oct 15, 2018 20:32

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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If you mean ROCOR, that would, I believe, put it under the MP's jurisdiction. Otherwise, it might be under the OCA, which is autocephalous and not bound by the MP's decision.

# ¿ Oct 16, 2018 17:37

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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The way I sometimes describe it to people is like if you had separate French, Italian, Austrian, Spanish, and Irish Catholic Churches, each with their own Popes, and all with American dioceses on top of each other.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2018 17:59

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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I don't think we ever did a production of it, but we definitely read it.

Of course, I went to a Catholic school, so probably not quite the same curriculum.

# ¿ Oct 22, 2018 14:04

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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HEY GUNS posted:

that church is not creepy, it's adorable

It reminds me somewhat of the church in Eklutna, Alaska.

But if that's what Vice considers "creepy"...

# ¿ Oct 30, 2018 14:07

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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I like how they arranged the iconostasis to conserve space.

Fake Edit: Ah, they changed the headline so it no longer says "creepy." Good for them.

# ¿ Oct 30, 2018 17:06

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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Aren't butterflies and/or moths associated with the soul in some cultures? There's a Serbian vampire novel where one flies out of the monster's mouth when the villagers stake him. They fail to kill the moth as well, so the vampire's able to survive, albeit in diminished form. IIRC, the translator mentioned the butterfly/moth's observed fondness for corpses as a possible influence, but I'm at work and my mom has my copy, so I can't check right now.

Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Nov 9, 2018

# ¿ Nov 9, 2018 18:15

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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StashAugustine posted:

There was some early modern inquisitor who wrote a book against witch hunts pointing out that even if you caught a genuine witch and broke her with torture she would, being influenced by a being of pure evil whose job is tricking people into sinning, obviously give you false information to encourage you to lynch innocents

There's also an Eastern saint whose father acquitted a witch and successfully defended his verdict to the emperor himself. The emperor was an iconoclast, so the incident was used by the saint's biographer as an example of why iconoclasm was such a mistake.

I know it was several pages ago, and I meant to comment on it earlier, but this all relates to my general thoughts on Castlevania. The second season has priests who are so paranoid about witchcraft that one of them freaks out at a centrifuge moving on its own. And how about the way the clergy pronounce "God" like it has about five extra H's? "Nothing to do with GHOHHHDH???

Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Nov 14, 2018

# ¿ Nov 14, 2018 15:50

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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P-Mack posted:

Also Castlevania is good, don't get too hung up on the inaccuracies of an American cartoon based on a Japanese video game inspired by old American monster movies very loosely based on 19th century British novels that might have borne some passing resemblance to Eastern European folktales.

That has been an important check on my feelings about it since the first season.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2018 16:43

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Lutha Mahtin posted:

yeah after i posted about how mad it was making me i reflected upon the fact that the games have even worse ham-fisted Western church imagery. _{also you can burn witches and evil scientists alive by throwing holy water on them and you can hunt bats by using a crucifix as a boomerang}

I tend to focus more on how the games tend to be set in a generic "Europe" even when it's labeled as Romania--hence the cast of characters with obviously French, Spanish, and German names. Appropriated Christian imagery is pretty much baked into vampire mythology at this point, so it's hard to resent that too much. (He said, recalling the draft of a vampire novel he wrote where a Theotokos icon saves the day.)

None of which has ever detracted from my enjoyment of the games, of course. I've just been replaying Symphony of the Night, and thinking there is something to be said for the fact that the son of Dracula himself can wield the Bible, the Body of Christ, and the Holy Cross against demonic forces.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2018 18:21

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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P-Mack posted:

Now, the important question is could he be safely baptized or would it count as holy water for purposes of bursting into flame?

That's a good question. On one hand, he's never hurt by his own holy water, but it definitely hurts if Richter uses it on him.

But that may be more a factor of Good Guy Bullets vs. Bad Guy Bullets than anything.

# ¿ Nov 14, 2018 19:07

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 00:08

Keromaru5: Dec 28, 2012; Pictured: The Wolf Of Gubbio (probably)

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There's also Christ as "the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the world," which leads to the interpretation that the crucified Christ is himself the imago dei that humanity is based on.

# ¿ Nov 28, 2018 21:09

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