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I remember Osaka playing at I think Charleston a few months ago and she was just an emotional mess and melted down every mis-hit it is amazing how well she turned it around. And yeah no one gets that coaching penalty called on them and gets a loving game penalty in a major finals, especially not the best player in the sport's history, unless you are 'angry' and not white
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nachos posted:Serena at least told the crowd to shut the gently caress up and stop booing during the trophy presentation This was awesome Serena is awesome
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Sep 8, 2018 23:15
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As far as the full game penalty I can’t remember the last time that happened in a major match with a top tier player man or woman. Major head cases like Safin or someone I can’t even recall. It’s pretty wild.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:16
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Spring Break My Heart posted:That's really loving stupid, dude. It's the truth. I knew someone would come back with a blistering "BUT THAT'S NOT HOW IT SHOULD BE!", but it is, and it happens all the time. The ump inserted himself into the match, and as a result, he took away from Osaka's accomplishment. It's not fair to Osaka at all, because she was more than a match for Serena. Bad feelings all around.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:18
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Bardeh posted:gently caress the crowd, though, seriously. How loving classless can you get? Completely spoiled the moment for Osaka. Also, whether or not the warning was justified (kinda seems like it was, seeing as the coach admitted to coaching...) Williams didn't act professionally at all and brought everything after the initial warning on herself. Yeah that dumb as hell, even if Serena wasn't asking for coaching he legitimized that penalty by saying that. nachos posted:Serena at least told the crowd to shut the gently caress up and stop booing during the trophy presentation Yeah Serena still owns, don't get me wrong.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:18
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 The post-game crew is saying the men curse at the umps and don't get warnings? That's pretty hosed up
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Sep 8, 2018 23:20
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She beat Serena.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:20
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PostNouveau posted:
Did McEnroe ever get a game penalty for cursing at umpires for literally hours
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Sep 8, 2018 23:22
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A contemporary example is Djokovic. He has yelled at refs a lot.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:23
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Naomi Osaka won the US open while playing great. Did you know she's tall
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Sep 8, 2018 23:24
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Did McEnroe ever get a game penalty for cursing at umpires for literally hours Ah he got completely thrown out of the Australian Open once https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2rjocv-Jo
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Sep 8, 2018 23:25
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e: beaten.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:26
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Did McEnroe ever get a game penalty for cursing at umpires for literally hours He literally got ejected from the 1990 Australian Open for swearing at the umpire. (edit: Beaten twice...) In general men do swear at umpires sometimes, but it generally isn't as long and sustained of an argument. Most players argue, but know when to drop it or tone it down. A game penalty is crazy heavy handed for a final though.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:27
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soggybagel posted:A contemporary example is Djokovic. He has yelled at refs a lot. He beats the hell out of his rackets, too.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:28
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Bjorn Borg literally ate his racquet and then projectile shat the pieces into the surprised mouth of Lord Tennis, the founder of tennis, and didn't even get a penalty
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Sep 8, 2018 23:28
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Djokovic gets violations constantly he's just not dumb enough to get 3 in the space of about 10 minutes. There's no sport where you can talk to a referee/umpire like that and expect not to get punished. Its the height of entitlement to ask the umpire to apologise for a decision, especially in this case when the coach even admitted to coaching after the event.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:31
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Vengarr posted:It's the truth. I knew someone would come back with a blistering "BUT THAT'S NOT HOW IT SHOULD BE!", but it is, and it happens all the time. The ump inserted himself into the match, and as a result, he took away from Osaka's accomplishment.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:33
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Did McEnroe ever get a game penalty for cursing at umpires for literally hours mcenroe was defaulted from a match one time xd everyone said that already. I think he said one time that he just lost track of how many violations he had at that point in the match though.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:37
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my white dude hot take is that it can be both ridiculous that the chair ump penalized her a game and ridiculous that she had a 3-game tantrum and an on-court meltdown about a minor coaching penalty that really doesn't mater. i've been watching osaka's matches since the second round though and she's really good - winning more slams on hardcourt for sure; no idea how her game translates to grass or clay.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:38
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Going at the umpire for the entire changeover will probably get some sort of penalty in any sport.Spring Break My Heart posted:Clijsters won in 2009 against Serena in similar circumstances and get this; it did not affect her at all. It's because she's a mother.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:40
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Spring Break My Heart posted:The idea that this'll affect her at all come next year is lunacy. Clijsters won in 2009 against Serena in similar circumstances and get this; it did not affect her at all. Not even close. Williams went full Pulp Fiction on the chair ump in 2009, that penalty wasn't disputed at all.
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Sep 8, 2018 23:43
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I like tennis again.
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Sodium Chloride posted:Going at the umpire for the entire changeover will probably get some sort of penalty in any sport. Puckish Rogue posted:I like tennis again. Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Sep 9, 2018 |
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Sep 8, 2018 23:56
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Vengarr posted:I don't think so. Her championship was just irrevocably tainted. No one is gonna remember this as the day Naomi Osaka reached the top. It's going to be "Remember that time the ump blatantly screwed Serena?" drat, Serena, get over it.
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Sep 9, 2018 00:03
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Josh Lyman posted:Lucky for you, tomorrow's final between Delpo and Djoker should be a classic. A classic Delpo win.
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Sep 9, 2018 00:05
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Cavauro posted:She beat Serena. Nobody is arguing that. Ref ruined the game and the win because he’s a sexist racist piece of poo poo
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Sep 9, 2018 00:17
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Flayer posted:Djokovic gets violations constantly he's just not dumb enough to get 3 in the space of about 10 minutes. There's no sport where you can talk to a referee/umpire like that and expect not to get punished. Its the height of entitlement to ask the umpire to apologise for a decision, especially in this case when the coach even admitted to coaching after the event. Not true. The golden state warriors constantly do and if they were reffed by the same rules Green would be kicked out of 70% of his games.
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Sep 9, 2018 00:19
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LionArcher posted:Nobody is arguing that. Ref ruined the game and the win because he’s a sexist racist piece of poo poo lmao what in the hell? I feel like I'm in bizarro world reading posts like these. She called the umpire a liar and a thief, when he followed the rules exactly as he should've done. She deliberately smashed her racquet. She berated him for three games, and told him 'you'll never be on the same court as me again'. The way she was conducting herself was appalling, and in no way befitting of someone who's been around for as long as she has.
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Sep 9, 2018 00:24
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Puckish Rogue posted:A classic Delpo win.
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LionArcher posted:Nobody is arguing that. Ref ruined the game and the win because he’s a sexist racist piece of poo poo
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LionArcher posted:Nobody is arguing that. Ref ruined the game and the win because he’s a sexist racist piece of poo poo See folks. You can't even just say something about Naomi without people telling you not to change the subject. Don't get angry at the crowd for not being able to stop booing. No one else can either
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Bardeh posted:lmao what in the hell? I feel like I'm in bizarro world reading posts like these. She called the umpire a liar and a thief, when he followed the rules exactly as he should've done. She deliberately smashed her racquet. She berated him for three games, and told him 'you'll never be on the same court as me again'. The way she was conducting herself was appalling, and in no way befitting of someone who's been around for as long as she has. That’s a lie. He did not follow the rules exactly. It’s selective enforcement. Did she lose her temper? Yes. But it’s obvious he was being sexist, and frankly, the fact that your not seeing this, or all the bullshit she’s constantly had to put up with shows your bias as well. Calling it “appalling”is borderline sexist and racist as well.
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Sep 9, 2018 00:28
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Flayer posted:Given the fact that Serena's opponent was also a women of colour (black Haitian father/Japanese mother) and she's the one who benefited from the decision I don't see how the ref is supposed to be racist or sexist. Racist to Serena, her opponent did a great job, and deserved the win. Jumping into the game the way he did tainted a win that was already there for the other player.
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LionArcher posted:That’s a lie. He did not follow the rules exactly. It’s selective enforcement.
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LionArcher posted:That’s a lie. He did not follow the rules exactly. It’s selective enforcement. Did she lose her temper? Yes. But it’s obvious he was being sexist, and frankly, the fact that your not seeing this, or all the bullshit she’s constantly had to put up with shows your bias as well. Calling it “appalling”is borderline sexist and racist as well. you are a crazy person
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Sep 9, 2018 00:33
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LionArcher posted:Racist to Serena, her opponent did a great job, and deserved the win. Jumping into the game the way he did tainted a win that was already there for the other player.
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Bardeh posted:you are a crazy person No. Calling me so doesn’t take away from the fact that is fairly obvious that was what happened. Is it so hard to see that she was both in the wrong (for losing her temper) and the reff was completely out of line for penalizing her? The fact that there’s an obvious racial and sexist component to all of this is well... obvious, and trying to gaslight me for calling it out doesn’t take away from the point.
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Sep 9, 2018 00:39
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Flayer posted:The rule states that you can't receive coaching during a match. Serena's coach outright admitted he was coaching her when she got the violation. The umpire has spotted it and duly giving a warning, which is following the rules to a t. Stop trying to make this it something it isn't. Lol holy poo poo dude what is going on with your brain.
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https://twitter.com/TennisNerdPod/status/1038540441568927744 The coach was being blatant about he, nodded to her when she saw, and then Serena proceeded to meltdown (over the course of like 4 games) over a nothing warning. She couldn't even properly throw a match like Dimitrov. soggybagel posted:A contemporary example is Djokovic. He has yelled at refs a lot. Here he is warning Djokovic btw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJm_oYcDMkM Harry fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Sep 9, 2018 |
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the coaching rule is fuckin dumb. only a very lovely uncharitable reading of the rules gets Serena a game penalty there imo, especially in a grand slam final after the match one of the commentators (evert i think) said that when serena was tearing into the ump he should of at least said something like “if you don’t stop you’ll get a game penalty” because i don’t think anyone expected it. seemed like a good idea to me, it’s only fair to remind someone of the (admittedly stupid) consequences in a heated situation like that oh well. osaka was brilliant. i think she would have won even without all the bullshit onward! let’s go delpo 
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