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a very short history- before 1895- bunch of stuff only history nerds are gonna care about and isn't really relevant today i don't want to see anyone bring up neo-confucianism unless you're making fun of some dumb article the last unified government was called joseon for reference after 1895- japan takes over because late joseon really really sucked and pisses most of the koreans off but not the top ten percent who become collaborators and are still hated to this day SOUTH 1945-1948- united states takes over after world war ii and because they are ignorant racist morons assume that the koreans actually enjoyed being a colony it doesn't help that the only people who know how to speak english are collaborators and syngman rhee who figures out that the united states will let him murder whoever he wants as long as he says theyre communists 1948-1953- syngman rhee manages to piss everyone off with his random political murders but luckily the korean war happens at which point his fall back defense of blaming communists for every bad thing in the universe becomes somewhat more plausible 1953-1960- everyone discovers that syngman rhee is a moron when it comes to administrating anything thats not a death squad and becomes senile to the point that people just start ignoring him mostly because he keeps wanting to restart the korean war 1961-1979- park chung hee comes to power and uses his powers of incredible deductive brilliance to conclude that protectionist economies are good which of course no democratically elected leader could have ever figured out even though literally everyone in the country was taught about this in japanese administered schools 1980- 1987- up until here the united states had been pretty good about convincing south koreans that they actually needed a dictator and could have democracy later when they were more mature but then chun doo-hwan shows up and just acts like an rear end in a top hat for no reason but we back him anyway and welp thats pretty much the main reason why anti-americanism even exists in south korea now 1987-1997- in between the end of the cold war and the seoul olympics the united states realizes they can't realistically back a dictator again so democracy happens but woops the first two presidents end up being right wing assholes 1997-2007- kim dae jung goes from former democracy activist to president but frustratingly doesn't dismantle as much of the governments worst institutions as was expected roh moo hyeon puts more effort to it but gets knifed in the back by basically everybody 2007-2017- lee myung bak becomes president and tries to undo the country's democratic progress but is limited by having to use normal police instead of soldiers because shooting at protestors is now considered impolite park geun hye is elected almost entirely on a platform of first woman president (SOUND FAMILIAR) and turns out to be an even dumber version of lee myung bak who is even more widely hated by everyone except her cult of personality which consists of septagenerians who to this day wander the streets of seoul every weekend waving american flags because shes park chung hees daughter 2017-2018- roh moo hyeon's old buddy moon jae in becomes president and starts locking people up in as decorously a fashion as he can to the wild cheers of the crowd who are becoming increasingly annoyed that he is not instituting full communism now no not north korean communism the good kind of communism speaking of which NORTH 1945-1948- soviet union comes in and observes that everyone hates japan so they put kim il sung in charge because he hates japan too 1948-1953- kim il sung works really hard to get people to like him by putting collaborators in jail and passing popular laws unlike syngman rhee kim il sung actually knew how to administer worth a poo poo so north korea was the obvious winner in the frankly inevitable civil war that followed but we couldnt have anything like that 1953-1994- north korea continues to be communist and they invent juche which is mostly just posthoc rationalization for their continued power they then proceed to very impolitely refuse to collapse like the rest of the communist countries did at the end of the cold war so the united states refuses to recognize their existence and north korea starts building nukes mostly just to make us pay attention to them 1994-2011- kim il sung dies and his son kim jung il signs the agreed framework which doesn't go anywhere then he tries teaming up with kim dae jung to bring sunshine to the world which doesnt work because neither kim dae jung nor roh moo hyeon are willing to tell george bush to gently caress off then lee myung bak comes to power and we stop pretending like peace is even a theoretical goal anymore 2011-2018- kim jeong eun comes to power and initiates economic reforms that have vastly improved the living standards of most north korean people no im serious you dumb loving trolls even the un reports admit this anyway he is now trying to take advantage of trumps ego to work out normalized relations and the media is busy telling us how this is very bad because we should want to have an unambiguous undefined relationship with a country that loves to talk up how much it wants to nuke us DISCUSS
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I don't know anything about korea but I wanted to offer a non-shitpost and also ask why South Korea is completely loving insane
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The news loves stories of Kim Jong Un executing people with military hardware but did any of this poo poo actually happen? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/20/kim-jong-un-plucks-teen-sex-slaves-from-schools-north-korean-defector-reveals.html I mean this girl says her whole school was ushered to the loving soccer field to see a dozen people lashed to AA guns and blown apart.
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Aug 30, 2018 12:06
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:The news loves stories of Kim Jong Un executing people with military hardware but did any of this poo poo actually happen? defectors are paid huge sums of money for their stories and the more outrageous the stories the more money they get.
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The myth of consensual reintegration North Korea: "I consent." South Korea: "I consent." United States: "I don't." Isn't there someone you forgot to ask? https://twitter.com/TimothyS/status/1035162138090848257
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:The news loves stories of Kim Jong Un executing people with military hardware but did any of this poo poo actually happen? quote:In what heinous example, she recalled standing in a crowd of 10,000 people assembled to watch the execution of 11 musicians who allegedly made a pornographic video. Security guards ordered the viewers to leave their classes and stand in a stadium around the men, who were tied up and gagged how is this different from what evangelical christians would do if they had their way?
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i didnt become familiar with tim shorrock's reporting until years back, and man oh man did that change the way my younger former shitlib self felt about the situation. best Corea reporter ever
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how is this different from what i would do if i had my way
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I think a lot about this tweet https://twitter.com/CSISKoreaChair/status/1006278197690994689
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Peanut President posted:I don't know anything about korea but I wanted to offer a non-shitpost and also ask why South Korea is completely loving insane could you be more specific because theres lots of different things you could be referring to there Chomskyan posted:I think a lot about this tweet just a reminder that actual honest to god chuds cheer for trump at rallies whenever he talks about how great he is for ratcheting down tensions with north korea who the hell is "peace treaties actually bad" supposed to appeal to if even the chuds arent going for it
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Some Guy TT posted:a very short history- ftfy 
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i was gonna post the thread in the first reply here. it's good.
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The excerpts in this "let's trick millennials into reading a book" thread are from Peasant Protest & Social Change in Colonial Korea by Gi-Wook Shin, right?
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i remember watching a great academic talk around the time kim jong-un took over that was about how the regime in NK came about, its mindset, and why it does what it does. it was awesome and i wish i could find it again.
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R. Guyovich posted:defectors are paid huge sums of money for their stories and the more outrageous the stories the more money they get. where they sell the stories is also important there are way more north korean defectors in south korean media to the point there are entire variety shows centered around the gimmick but the stories they tell are way more subdued because theyre more easily fact checked and also you cant really have a round table discussion about people getting machine gunned in soccer stadiums before people start cringing about how incredibly dumb the story sounds defectors also disagree between themselves about stuff a lot even in that context because its hard to remember the difference between urban legends and actual facts this isnt some special korea thing either try throwing together some random americans and ask them whether welfare queens are real or whether a woman really sued mcdonalds for spilling coffee on herself or whether the government knew about 9/11 ahead of time and youre going to get all kinds of crazy answers idiots who think political barriers can be breached via pop culture need to be forced to watch this clockwork orange style i really really really hate the meme of how hallyu wave is going to cultural conversion north korea into good hardworking capitalists you get this because a lot of defector narratives go "i was starving then i saw a south korean tv show where people had food" and shallow dumbasses choose to believe the second half of that sentence is the important part
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I think it was a Vox video about NK i watched a year or two ago that talked about some of the cultural elements of Juche as being directly inherited from Japanese imperialism, including the racial stuff that runs as an undercurrent through it. I never know if i should trust Vox, but is that roghly true? Does the structure of Juche owe a bit to Japanese occupation?
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dinoputz posted:i didnt become familiar with tim shorrock's reporting until years back, and man oh man did that change the way my younger former shitlib self felt about the situation. best Corea reporter ever He’s cool and is the undisputed king of the boomers
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why do western libs hold up macron or trudeau as center left poster boys when moon exists? If i wanted to be like “no full communism now is bad, lots can be achieved with reform/electoral politics!!!” then moon is a much better example, but i see zero new yorker prices about him or whatever.
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ScipioAfro posted:why do western libs hold up macron or trudeau as center left poster boys when moon exists? If i wanted to be like “no full communism now is bad, lots can be achieved with reform/electoral politics!!!” then moon is a much better example, but i see zero new yorker prices about him or whatever. Because Moon is too left wing for them.
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ScipioAfro posted:why do western libs hold up macron or trudeau as center left poster boys when moon exists? If i wanted to be like “no full communism now is bad, lots can be achieved with reform/electoral politics!!!” then moon is a much better example, but i see zero new yorker prices about him or whatever. Because they are opposed to peace in Korea.
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Some Guy TT posted:could you be more specific because theres lots of different things you could be referring to there Liberals
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The only reason dems soured on the iraq war was because of political opportunism against Bush and the troop surge that happened under obama should prove that. Dems loving love war and are only somewhat restrained by an anti war base but they ignore that as much as they can
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basic hitler posted:I think it was a Vox video about NK i watched a year or two ago that talked about some of the cultural elements of Juche as being directly inherited from Japanese imperialism, including the racial stuff that runs as an undercurrent through it. It was the cleanest race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDm4KSGn8Sw Basically Imperial Japan Co East Asia Prosperity Sphere was responsible for many Juche ideals especially racial exceptionalism beliefs.
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basic hitler posted:I never know if i should trust Vox, but is that roghly true? Does the structure of Juche owe a bit to Japanese occupation? I'm pretty sure this is just a dumb theory peddled by B R Meyers that most historians disagree with
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The parody account is always amazing https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1034297157296287744 https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1033086800259104769 https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/1028026352140779521
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etalian posted:The parody account is always amazing It's actually run by some weirdo democrat who hates North Koreans
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Algund Eenboom posted:It's actually run by some weirdo democrat who hates North Koreans isnt it popehat dude
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It is in fact run by an ultracatholic libertarian https://web.archive.org/web/20180211194529/https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/962443069659459584 https://web.archive.org/web/20180210170808/https://twitter.com/dprk_news/status/962365629939507200   His astonishing argument seems to be that United States media is TOO NICE to North Korea
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Chomskyan posted:I'm pretty sure this is just a dumb theory peddled by B R Meyers that most historians disagree with like who
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my favorite part of juche is it was so great and appealing faraway romania tried to copy it
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basic hitler posted:I think it was a Vox video about NK i watched a year or two ago that talked about some of the cultural elements of Juche as being directly inherited from Japanese imperialism, including the racial stuff that runs as an undercurrent through it. it's likely cuz lots of ppl who started the dprk went to school in japanese occupied korea, but I suspect at the end of the day ethno-nationalist states only has a few available variants so dprk just happened to have one which resembles 1940s era japansese fascism
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Chaebols are pretty cyberpunk especially how in S Korea Samsung owns random stuff like amusement parks and hotels.
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HOLY poo poo HOMEWORKER EXPLAINER IS THIS U???? 
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Typo posted:like who Ardennes posted:I am just going to post full thing from proquest.
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