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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Main Paineframe posted:

we could have just not divided Korea in the first place

it's easy to think of North Korea and South Korea as though they had always been that way, but the fact is that the US are the ones who divided it in the first place

division of korea is into goryeo, baekje, silla

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THS
Sep 15, 2017

is korea where they make animé

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

THS posted:

is korea where they make animé

actually, yes. Japanese studios do all the key illustrations, concepts, and storyboarding, but all the actual animating and coloring is outsourced to South Korean studios.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

THS posted:

is korea where they make animé

yes act- e:f;b

it does vary from project to project. but on some the credits are like half a dozen japanese leads followed by a hundred korean names.

i think some chinese studios are starting to get established as well. koreans need to watch out.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

actually, yes. Japanese studios do all the key illustrations, concepts, and storyboarding, but all the actual animating and coloring is outsourced to South Korean studios.

So it's the korean guys who are actually the experts at creating perfect anime breasts?

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

etalian posted:

So it's the korean guys who are actually the experts at creating perfect anime breasts?

nah they just do the boring labor-intensive filler work, while getting paid peanuts.

it's fine though because animators of any nationality are basically the lowest form of life.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

actually, yes. Japanese studios do all the key illustrations, concepts, and storyboarding, but all the actual animating and coloring is outsourced to South Korean studios.

Prav posted:

yes act- e:f;b

it does vary from project to project. but on some the credits are like half a dozen japanese leads followed by a hundred korean names.

i think some chinese studios are starting to get established as well. koreans need to watch out.

thats hosed up. they should produce their own animation and not call it anime

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

anime was also illegal in Korea up till the 90s, so you had Korean studios doing animation work on projects that wouldn’t even be distributed in their own country.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

THS posted:

thats hosed up. they should produce their own animation and not call it anime

they’ve tried. so far Korean comics are where they’re really at parity with Japanese artists.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

anime was also illegal in Korea up till the 90s, so you had Korean studios doing animation work on projects that wouldn’t even be distributed in their own country.

Hm maybe sygman rhee was right

coathat
May 21, 2007

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

they’ve tried. so far Korean comics are where they’re really at parity with Japanese artists.

Korean comics are awful. Terrible layouts. Everyone is saying it.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

you know folks, manhwa is trash. everyone is saying it. Barron says it.

THS
Sep 15, 2017

whats the korean dragon ball. the psy of korean comics. i want to become an otaku but whatever the word is for that in the context of korea

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Dragonball is Dragonball


There is but only one summit

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


THS posted:

whats the korean dragon ball. the psy of korean comics. i want to become an otaku but whatever the word is for that in the context of korea

Shin Angyo Onshi is better than dragonball

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
there was a korean anime about like, people who got paid to poop? oor something? was kinda cool actually

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPNApfhKnVI

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Modest Mao posted:

the different takes are really interesting though, the origins of the korean war are definitely some forbidden history. Very little written on the wikis


Okay so the USSR hosed up


OK so the USSR wanted it that way


OK so the USA wanted it that way too, maybe more so


OK so the peninsula naturally leaned communist and the soviet union kinda hosed it up by insisting on their guy being in charge


OK so the US installed a dictator against popular opinion in the south and the north invaded to protect the Sovereignty of Korea oops

basically, everyone except the Koreans themselves approached the liberation of Korea with the expectation that they would be taking a Japanese colony for themselves, rather than actually freeing Korea. the reason it was divided up was because it was treated as an occupation zone, like Germany, rather than liberated territory, and because the US wanted to exert as much influence as they could over Korea despite the Soviets getting there first

since the actual Korean freedom fighters and pro-democracy activists tended to hold left-wing views (due in large part to decades of brutal imperial rule by militaristic fascists), the Soviets preferred to encourage Korean self-government while the US was mostly interested in stomping it out. also, racism

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Yeah North Koreans were the good guys.

cool dance moves
Aug 27, 2018


pulgasari > anime

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said

StashAugustine posted:

Hm maybe sygman rhee was right

THS
Sep 15, 2017

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Yeah North Koreans were the good guys.

were?

Graphic
Sep 4, 2018

It's like Lenin said
North Korea sucks but if you don't stand with it against imperialist war you're not a real socialist. I'm sure when the US finally invades or nukes North Korea there will be a Jacobin article praising it though. They're already carrying water for Marco Rubio regarding Venezuela

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

korean animation both quality wise and in terms of distribution is about ar or slightly above japanese equivalents when it comes to cartoons produced for children but there's almost no production of anything higher than a twelve rating because demand isnt high enough and what little interest there is in long running cartoons and high concept short ones is easily filled by japanese imports webtoons are a different matter entirely portal sites started producing webcomics as soon as it was technologically viable and the result is a massive market of mobile-friendly comics in just about any genre you can think of

THS posted:

whats the korean dragon ball. the psy of korean comics. i want to become an otaku but whatever the word is for that in the context of korea

which makes this question awkward to answer because the genre variety is so diverse that if you ask ten different people what their favorite webtoon is theyll give you ten different answers maybe they like high school gangster cartoons where the main character is some kid whose totally ripped because he was given strength training by moon rabbits to survive in earths gravity or maybe they like cute romances where a horror comic writer tries to break into the more lucrative romance market but all of her ideas are too weird and creepy or maybe they like generic animu crap where idols slash high school students slash wizards battle fans slash high school students slash extradimensional nightmare witches while the bewildered girl protagonist who has no idea whats going on watches on in confusion even though shes extremely important to the plot for some reason

that being written in terms of raw popularity the best known korean webcomic is probably sound of your heart you can read it here in english

https://www.webtoons.com/en/comedy/the-sound-of-your-heart/list?title_no=269

i was going to just post a single comic but individual episodes of korean webcomics are really drat long and yes they do indeed update twice a week and while on one end im somewhat concerned for the physical health of the artists on the other end im mad that while the internet created a drat renaissance in comics writing in south korea it somehow managed to make american comics even more juvenile and stupid than they were before

Metal Cat
Dec 25, 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_One_Animation
Korean animators helped making KOTH, so they can't be that bad.

cool dance moves
Aug 27, 2018


Metal Cat posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_One_Animation
Korean animators helped making KOTH, so they can't be that bad.

holy poo poo there's a lot of shows that used korean animation :stare:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunwoo_Entertainment

pushpins
Sep 11, 2006


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Pretty ironic that US efforts to stomp out socialism in korea after WW2 led to animation wageslaves doing the grunt work for The Weekenders.

*stares longingly over the DMZ*

I too am living for the weekend

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:

to give an idea of just how crazy left wing moons policies are, his main economic achievement to date has been a phased minimum wage hike to ten dollars an hour by 2020 so yeah hes basically a communist as far as liberals are concerned

https://twitter.com/GordonGChang/status/1039124963138195456
pro-follow if you want a guy who only tweets bullshit

Kellsterik
Mar 30, 2012

Modest Mao posted:

the different takes are really interesting though, the origins of the korean war are definitely some forbidden history. Very little written on the wikis

Bruce Cumings is a really good historian of the korean war and north korea whose stuff is probably at your local library

ScipioAfro
Feb 21, 2011
guardian writes a 'moon-is-a-sucka-nuke-em-all! story
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/19/ashamed-south-koreans-chilled-by-kim-jong-uns-cuddles

hours later has to report the actual news which is that its working and makes war less likely.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/19/north-korea-shut-missile-test-summit-kim-jong-un-moon

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Both Korea's are hosting the 2032 Olympics... Together.

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

I'm happy for them

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Plutonis posted:

Both Korea's are hosting the 2032 Olympics... Together.

well they'll bid. not guaranteed they'll get it but it would be insane not to give it to them

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

https://twitter.com/XHNews/status/1042301889700945921

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

(and can't post for 8 days!)

Some Guy TT posted:

could you be more specific because theres lots of different things you could be referring to there

I honestly forgot about this thread but I was asking about the South's politics. It seems like a half-step from completely collapsing, and I was just curious if there's a reason or if it's just growing pains from being an american colony (also I haven't been reading the thread so sorry if you guys have been talking about it)

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Peanut President posted:

I honestly forgot about this thread but I was asking about the South's politics. It seems like a half-step from completely collapsing, and I was just curious if there's a reason or if it's just growing pains from being an american colony (also I haven't been reading the thread so sorry if you guys have been talking about it)

the south korean intelligence agency was founded by dictator Park Chung-hee in 1961. although its name changed many times over the years, it's still the same agency

in the 2010s, it was implicated in illegally interfering in elections in various ways to support Park Geun-hye, daughter of Park Chung-hee. it deployed psychological warfare teams to support her during elections, including both helping right-wing political organizations with their events and campaigns and directly conducting online public opinion manipulation campaigns themselves. in addition, it was later discovered that agency leaders were illegally diverting agency funds to her presidential campaigns

south korean politics are really hosed

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost
... it did collapse, tho? 박근혜 is in jail

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

you can’t count on every right wing South Korean leader to be in a cult.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

id actually argue south korean politics isnt as bad as it looks because the main obvious problems are how major corporations intelligence services and obviously incompentent morons hold way too much unofficial power but south korean society at least acknowledges these are bad things which puts them a couple of decades ahead of us while simultaneously and hilariously giving ignorant foreigners the impression that south koreas problems are unique

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got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Modest Mao posted:

the different takes are really interesting though, the origins of the korean war are definitely some forbidden history. Very little written on the wikis


Okay so the USSR hosed up


OK so the USSR wanted it that way


OK so the USA wanted it that way too, maybe more so


OK so the peninsula naturally leaned communist and the soviet union kinda hosed it up by insisting on their guy being in charge


OK so the US installed a dictator against popular opinion in the south and the north invaded to protect the Sovereignty of Korea oops

then we did it again in 'nam since it worked so well

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