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was going to post this in the last thread before someone broke itthat list posted:19. (-6) Polly Toynbee I was listening to the great lives episode about Alison Hargreaves (British climber who died on K2 in the 90s) and after she died Polly Toynbee criticised her for "acting like a man" by taking risks when she should have been looking after her children and that climbing mountains is no better than taking drugs
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Rarity posted:Dead Brexit never gets old Beg to differ, the CGI May has a far more realistic range of motion.
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Guavanaut posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITpC6GlBFo0 This is one of the things that reminds me quite how similar the right wing is here to that in the US. The amount of hand wringing about what is clearly a good policy (enforced by the LOONY LEFT! Probably) is so similar to the outrage over plastic straws in the US.
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My favourite Poly Toynbee bit was when in the early 2000s she went around pretending to be hard up. She actually claimed benefits and wasted the time of people in social services there to help those in genuine need and took up precious rented accommodation so she could gurn about what a poo poo time she had in a book. Instead of, you know, meeting and writing about people who lived that life. tldr Poly Toynbee is a spoilt, self-absorbed wanker
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Is Polly Toynbee the one who got upset cause her kid got a tattoo?
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Red Oktober posted:This is one of the things that reminds me quite how similar the right wing is here to that in the US. The amount of hand wringing about what is clearly a good policy (enforced by the LOONY LEFT! Probably) is so similar to the outrage over plastic straws in the US. It actually came in handy when I moved into this house, because the previous owners had taken all the good light bulbs and left a single lovely fluorescent in each room, but the front room had an old style dimmer switch so the only settings were off and flickering buzzing mess. So I went back to one of those for two weeks until I could get a new switch for the front room and fit LEDs. Other than that, ballast for electronics projects, and incubating eggs, I have no idea why you'd even want one in the 2010s though. Except possibly for the sake of performative outrage. Doubling my electricity bill to own the libs.
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Rarity posted:Is Polly Toynbee the one who got upset cause her kid got a tattoo? I think that was one of those anonymous e/n letters they publish sometimes
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More like multiplying my lighting expenditure by 10x and more to own the libs. A good 11w LED out performs a 100w incandescent in all ways but omni-directionality. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Sep 1, 2018 |
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Rarity posted:Is Polly Toynbee the one who got upset cause her kid got a tattoo? don't think so - this is polly  please note: this was less than a month before cooper would come third with a towering 17% of the vote. there was no internal polling but i would put money on her not gaining a single point between when she made this speech and losing embarrassingly badly
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Rigged Death Trap posted:More like multiplying my lighting expenditure by 10x and more to own the libs. It did bring back a nice bit of nostalgia. Specifically nostalgia about worrying whether someone had left the light on and for how long. 
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Guavanaut posted:• The Queen's homeopathic physician is killed after being hit by a truck in London. Attempts to revive him using an alternator shaken in 10 billion parts water failed.  the OP is cool and good. Also, can we add Adam Tooze - Crashed: How a Decade of Financial Crises changed the world to the OP reading list? I bought it a few days ago and it's melting my brain with how good it is. https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/301357/crashed-by-adam-tooze/9780670024933/
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Cottage cheese is delicious you cretins.
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Junior G-man posted:
Ugh the Kindle edition is 12.99.
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Lol a French guy on BBC talking about how the democrats should tackle trump paraphrased) 'they need a new Clinton character to reconnect with working class voters' ???? How are these neoliberal types so loving oblivious seriously
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Junior G-man posted:Also, can we add Adam Tooze - Crashed: How a Decade of Financial Crises changed the world to the OP reading list? I bought it a few days ago and it's melting my brain with how good it is.
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ThomasPaine posted:Lol a French guy on BBC talking about how the democrats should tackle trump paraphrased) 'they need a new Clinton character to reconnect with working class voters' ???? How are these neoliberal types so loving oblivious seriously The voters are even more loving oblivious since they keep voting neoliberals into power
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a 'concern troll' posted:Seriously did you take some kind of knock to the head around 1999 and have problems forming new memories since? Between this and your belief that the civil service represents a stable, well-paid career path I'm genuinely worried for you. I just think it's weird the guardian, which publishes a million clickbait articles a day, doesn't see that being the only paper to support jez would get them even more hits. maybe they could trial it in the observer on the civil service yes it is stable, easy to join and well paid if 50k pa for 35hrs a week not doing IT is well paid
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SPANGLY A posted:The BBC, which was a slightly mythologised but reasonably respected organisation worldwide, had all of its senior executives replaced under the coalition. It is now run exclusively by people with overt far-right connections. It's stopped being pro-business and started being anti-reality. Their chief interviewer pals about with Orban. Audience participation for panel shows is now recruited directly from UKIP pages. It uses "balance" as a pretense to delegitimise academia and the concept of debate itself, in what is more and more clearly a substantial shift from the merely stupid way the centre-right play with the idea. Interesting point, helps explain something. I was watching an episode of Dateline London on BBC World News several months ago, (Don't get any other BBCs here in the US, noticed there were a crapton others on my hotel TV when I visited Amsterdam in '16. Know a few are available online from streaming sites, watched couple times but less convenient) the panel discussed Brexit and I was mildly surprised about 5/6 panel members seemed pretty openly opposed to Corbyn, except for a blonde young man whose name I can't recall who presented Corbyn's Labour positions surprisingly effectively, despite taking heat from practically the entire panel at once, even the other Labour sympathetic woman (who was perhaps Blue Labour?). He defended the defensible and made the indefensible seem less so. I will say Stephen Sakur at least does a reliable job of challenging everyone, as far as I've seen. It had occurred to me that BBC as a state broadcaster reflected the biases of the current government to a degree, though even now it's far less than a traditional state-propaganda outlet like FARS, Xinhua or RT. But it hadn't occurred to me they were biased against Corbyn, I'd assumed that was merely a reflection of Corbyn being unpopular and out of step with most of British society, much like Pelosi in the US who mixed, balanced panels tend to be pretty lopsided against in many ways. It will probably set the thread on fire but from my (very limited) experience Corbyn seems a bit like a left-wing version of Trump at least in the (very limited) sense that he makes gaffes, says inappropriate and impolitic things that just endear him to his supporters more and increase his cred as authentic. And are seen by his opponents as bigoted and racist, claims which are justified in Trump's case, not sure about Corbyn's. To be even more clear, Corbyn is nowhere remotely close to the absolute steaming pile of poo poo Trump is, my comparison really is as narrow as it seems. In apples-to-apples terms he's much more like Pelosi or maybe Sanders to pick an American politician. Lastly I'll add Corbyn actually has an understanding of the policies he advocates unlike Trump who didn't bother to learn anything before running in 2016 and whose followers consider his ignorance a badge of honor (welcome to idiocracy). Since my comparison is narrow I shouldn't need to mention anything else. Eregos fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Sep 1, 2018 |
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The FT meets Jon Lansmanquote:Momentum was dismissed as a “rabble” in its early days but is now seen as a formidable political organisation, feared by Labour centrists for the bellicose language of its members: many want to deselect Corbyn’s opponents in the party. It turns out the group was nearly called something else. “Some names we looked at were as good. Some of them were very much worse,” he says. “‘Swarm’. That was suggested to us. Swarm was a very bad idea.” Can never get enough of the labour right's hyperbole where getting called a twat by the unwashed is tantamount to getting knifed (or, perhaps more saliently, having your benefits docked, getting evicted and dying on the street over the winter).
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OwlFancier posted:Cottage cheese is delicious you cretins. I do like when this sort of thing is spread out between threads and it looks to the casual observer that someone just decided to tell us about their taste in cheese as a general observation on uk politics
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Angepain posted:I do like when this sort of thing is spread out between threads and it looks to the casual observer that someone just decided to tell us about their taste in cheese as a general observation on uk politics incidentally, is it fear of becoming 60
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TomViolence posted:The FT meets Jon Lansman That wasn't even Dr Frankenstein's attitude to the drat monster, he very much felt it was his fault. What a stupid simile.
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Pochoclo posted:The voters are even more loving oblivious since they keep voting neoliberals into power Bernie would have won and this is the hill I will die on even if it makes me a misogynist turbo poo poo to some quarters.
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Eregos posted:I'd assumed that was merely a reflection of Corbyn being unpopular and out of step with most of British society, much like Pelosi in the US who mixed, balanced panels tend to be pretty lopsided against in many ways. It will probably set the thread on fire but from my (very limited) experience Corbyn seems a bit like a left-wing version of Trump at least in the (very limited) sense that he makes gaffes, says inappropriate and impolitic things that just endear him to his supporters more and increase his cred as authentic. And are seen by his opponents as bigoted and racist, claims which are justified in Trump's case, not sure about Corbyn's. Corbyn/Labour's positions are overwhelmingly supported by UK society, regardless of party (but obviously more so in Labour). It's the media and liberal politicians who have no idea what the public think or do, which is part of why the beeb's credibility is shot - we call the effect the westminster bubble, and it's pretty well matched to the US equivalent in washington. Corbyn's not even remotely similar to a left wing trump because he isn't actually a populist, he just proposes policies that the public has widely accepted for decades. He has a habit of appearing to say inappropriate things because we have a soundbyte media and he's quite fond of making longer points to draw some context, something which is overwhelmingly appreciated when put against PR-trained politicians with nothing to say. The populist effect arises because the press largely distort what he's saying - it's the opposite of trump, where the press say exactly what he's said, and his supporters provide the distortion. The public have been entirely aware of this since election rules kicked in at the last GE, meaning he had to be given equal time to argue his positions and gross mischaracterisations were not allowed, at which point there was a monumental shift in coverage and his popularity boomed as a result. As to the beeb itself, it being state funded is not really the reason it reflects the views of the government here (that state funding is routinely threatened by the tories, mind, which is the same as threatening the pay of those at the top) - the issue is curating a cultural bias. The problem with UK politics post-Blair is this incredibly stupid belief that it's possible, let alone desirable, to not have an ideology (you either have a coherent one or an incoherent one, but you always have a way of viewing the world, this isn't avoidable). The only people who think they're objective, or lack ideology, are those who don't understand how critical thinking works, or what the point of it is. You find a bunch of people like this, you check that they have liberal views as a rule, and you watch them headbutt the world over and over while screaming IT IS THE VOTERS WHO ARE WRONG. That's the UK. That's why nobody trusts our media or politicians, they aren't competent to do their job - if they were they would not have been allowed the job.
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TomViolence posted:The FT meets Jon Lansman no but don't you see, they're entitled to their ridiculously cushy jobs for the rest of their lives and it's abhorrent thuggery to suggest that maybe the CLP would rather put up a candidate they actually agree with than some twat who got parachuted in by blair expecting a politician to actually be beholden in any way to the views of the people who go round knocking on doors for them is ridiculous, they're an MP and if they want to vote for Tory policies and actively undermine their own parties attempts to form a government then that's their prerogative
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ThomasPaine posted:Lol a French guy on BBC talking about how the democrats should tackle trump paraphrased) 'they need a new Clinton character to reconnect with working class voters' ???? How are these neoliberal types so loving oblivious seriously Chelsea's turn.
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Eregos posted:Corbyn seems a bit like a left-wing version of Trump at least in the (very limited) sense that he makes gaffes, says inappropriate and impolitic things E: I will grant he sometimes says shockingly impolitic things such as “capitalism isn’t great for everybody” and “the rich could contribute more to society” TACD fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Sep 1, 2018 |
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I'll also add the Sadiq Khan blimp is utterly stupid because it's ineffective. Khan completely neutered it's effectiveness when he laughed off the episode, showing a capacity to self-deprecate Trump lacks. The Trump balloon was effective (perhaps even prevented Trump visiting London) because Trump is a pathological narcissist who lacks any capacity for shame from lying, hurting others or being proven intellectually wrong. So a balloon is a reasonable approach to get under the skin of such a person. Khan is, like most politicians someone who is capable of being shamed by their behavior and can handle comedy & criticism. Like many poorly thought-out right-wing exercises, this one started from the premise 'look! we can do it too!', but the truth is, they just don't get it.
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Eregos posted:Interesting point, helps explain something. I was watching an episode of Dateline London on BBC World News several months ago, (Don't get any other BBCs here in the US, noticed there were a crapton others on my hotel TV when I visited Amsterdam in '16. Know a few are available online from streaming sites, watched couple times but less convenient) the panel discussed Brexit and I was mildly surprised about 5/6 panel members seemed pretty openly opposed to Corbyn, except for a blonde young man whose name I can't recall who presented Corbyn's Labour positions surprisingly effectively, despite taking heat from practically the entire panel at once, even the other Labour sympathetic woman (who was perhaps Blue Labour?). He defended the defensible and made the indefensible seem less so. I will say Stephen Sakur at least does a reliable job of challenging everyone, as far as I've seen. It had occurred to me that BBC as a state broadcaster reflected the biases of the current government to a degree, though even now it's far less than a traditional state-propaganda outlet like FARS, Xinhua or RT. But it hadn't occurred to me they were biased against Corbyn, I'd assumed that was merely a reflection of Corbyn being unpopular and out of step with most of British society, much like Pelosi in the US who mixed, balanced panels tend to be pretty lopsided against in many ways. It will probably set the thread on fire but from my (very limited) experience Corbyn seems a bit like a left-wing version of Trump at least in the (very limited) sense that he makes gaffes, says inappropriate and impolitic things that just endear him to his supporters more and increase his cred as authentic. And are seen by his opponents as bigoted and racist, claims which are justified in Trump's case, not sure about Corbyn's. can i get the source to the passage you quotes? seems interesting
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Rarity posted:Is Polly Toynbee the one who got upset cause her kid got a tattoo? https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/aug/11/devastated-by-my-sons-tattoo
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TACD posted:Does he? Like what? Anytime I’ve seen a Corbyn speech or interview he seems incredibly measured and reasonable, and he is very well known for not making negative personal remarks about anybody. I dunno about that, there have been occasions where he's lost his cool and broken kayfabe to snap at journos, but to be fair that's only a small reciprocation of the laser-focused grudge-loving hatred they subject him to 24 hours a day. He's not great at interviews or speeches to be honest but that lack of slickness only brings his actual substance as a politician to the fore for a lot of folk who appreciate his authenticity.
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TomViolence posted:lmao dunno if anyone's mentioned it in the UKMTs yet, but the spectacle of FBPEs turning out in support for arch-brexiteer and accomplished dog whistler Frank Field has been a sight to see on the twatter. You can't say this and then not share examples
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TACD posted:Does he? Like what? Anytime I’ve seen a Corbyn speech or interview he seems incredibly measured and reasonable, and he is very well known for not making negative personal remarks about anybody. Oh dear, I don't actually have a list of such Corbyn quotes, it's a collective impression built with little data, I could try to dig up some of what I've heard but I'd assumed the thread would have a pretty good idea what I'm referring to. If the intent is to point out there are reasonable explanations for all of these (supposed) incidents, I wouldn't know, I was sharing an impression not making a definite argument. (I intend to make a definite argument thesis about American politics sometime in the future, replete with evidence, arguing the American political system is in decline likely for decades to come, but that is for another day. Maybe sometime next year.) Corbyn/Trump making gaffes, saying inappropriate and impolitic things isn't really the same as Trump's unlimited, absolute politics of personal destruction though I could see how one might get them confused.
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HopperUK posted:That wasn't even Dr Frankenstein's attitude to the drat monster, he very much felt it was his fault. What a stupid simile. Of course Alan Johnson has never read Mary Shelley.
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Eregos posted:Oh dear, I don't actually have a list of such Corbyn quotes, it's a collective impression built with little data, I could try to dig up some of what I've heard but I'd assumed the thread would have a pretty good idea what I'm referring to. If the intent is to point out there are reasonable explanations for all of these (supposed) incidents, I wouldn't know, I was sharing an impression not making a definite argument. (I intend to make a definite argument thesis about American politics sometime in the future, replete with evidence, arguing the American political system is in decline likely for decades to come, but that is for another day. Maybe sometime next year.) Corbyn/Trump making gaffes, saying inappropriate and impolitic things isn't really the same as Trump's unlimited, absolute politics of personal destruction though I could see how one might get them confused. This is probably because the media always talks about Corbyn in a very patronising and mocking tone. 'Oh that daft Jeremy, he had to look up a number in an interview. What a wally'. There's a huge difference between the Corbyn the right-wing media talks about and the Corbyn that exists in reality.
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