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Confirming. I dont know much about pokemon so my shitposting today will be pretty bad.
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Sep 12, 2018 11:13
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This would have been a fun game to do my Scorpion game, oh well!
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Sep 12, 2018 13:38
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b-minus1 posted:This is a role madness game. Its my understanding that there are only a very few different pokemon so it should be easy to track down the fakeclaims 
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Sep 13, 2018 00:18
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imgay posted:who the gently caress messed with my avatar Is that megaman in there?
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Sep 13, 2018 02:15
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Sorry for my lack of participation, I've had a special schedule at work this week due to some out-of-town team members being in the office this week. I've barely skimmed the game at all, but I'll have plenty of time this weekend to catch up and try and share as many reads as I can form.
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Sep 14, 2018 20:06
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Yami Fenrir posted:Dancer holds a lurker gun, aimed at Slamburger. Don't shoot me please Dancer
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Sep 14, 2018 20:13
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I just finished re-reading the thread from the start. My scum reads are Solus, DB, Humalong, and Toalpaz. And definitely IS for the caught poisoner claim, who I will be voting for today unless something else major happens ##vote IcePhoenix I'll put together some cases on those five to share my knowledge and make a contribution.
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Sep 15, 2018 01:05
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Also ##evolve Sal for catching IS
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Sep 15, 2018 01:06
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Slamburger posted:And definitely IS for the caught poisoner claim Slamburger posted:Also ##evolve Sal for catching IS Mafia edit: should be obvious but I meant to say IP, not IllegallySober / IS
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Sep 15, 2018 01:08
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Case on Solus: The read/defense of GGN seems awkward and weird: These are all partial quotes, so read the originals for more context: SolusLunes posted:I don't really have much of a read on GGN but holy crap you're coming across so hard as scum. SolusLunes posted:Okay yeah looking at GGN again I don't see anything particularly scummy. SolusLunes posted:I mean it's reasonable? But it's mostly been one way from Toal to GGN. I'd be more inclined to think that if they're both scum, this is just an awful bus attempt from Toal. SolusLunes posted:Man, I don't know. Also I very clearly stated that I didn't think GGN was scum, and I don't care if someone picks someone else. This just doesn't feel like a natural town-mindset progression of a read. Solus barely mentions anyone except Toal and GGN, then just mentions this right after deadline: SolusLunes posted:Oh wow I totally missed the last page where we ran a train on DB My read here is that Solus is purposely providing limited information and few reads. The reads that are provided don't feel natural. Scummy.
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Sep 15, 2018 01:18
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Case on DB: His first reads: Dick Bastardly posted:I'm feelin Toal for the overall wierdness. A bunch of mostly town reads with two really light scum reads. Don't like them. He never really provides any followup on the Toalpaz read, but then votes then, then unvotes soon after with again no detail: Dick Bastardly posted:##vote Toalpaz Dick Bastardly posted:you know what? im an idiot Then he claims bomb with 5 min to spare. All else equal claiming bomb seems more likely a scum move than a town move. I've never had a bomb role but I don't know if I would even claim it as town and just let it play out. I would absolutely claim it as scum though. Then today he's fixated on the E+ thing, which I do agree is worth some consideration but he never once comments on IP, which seems like a much stronger night-action catch than E+s stuff. And curiously he votes to evolve Sal: Dick Bastardly posted:##evolve Sal That seems really suspect... why would you evolve Sal but not vote IP? Seems to me like he doesn't want to vote his scumbo yet. Dick, do you have a comment on this?
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Sep 15, 2018 01:30
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Dick Bastardly posted:to clarify, we can't rule out that IP's action wasn't messed with, so until IP comes in to have a word then I'll withhold my vote (but I would vote IP in absence of a solid defense) IP has already made multiple posts on it, and its a really weak defense / scum mindset in my opinion: IcePhoenix posted:Denying visiting you doesn't help us move forward. Breaking holes in your claims without the need for others to claim does. To me, the "correct" and towny way to deal with someone accusing you of visiting someone that died is not like this. Like, you have to believe that scum isn't going to just invent a result on you on Day 2. People are always suspicious of that gambit for some reason but its super rare in practice. You've gotta think its a townie whose result got messed with, so even if you don't want to claim you could say something like "I didn't visit AA" or "Yes, I visited AA but I don't have a killing role, so it must have been a Ninja" or something. In a role madness game its not revealing much to say something like this when you've just been accused of a killing action. IcePhoenix has not handled his defense in a towny way at all. IP is caught scum. DB did you not read his posts? Saying "so until IP comes in to have a word" doesn't make any sense to me. Why don't you comment on what he actually said?
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Sep 15, 2018 01:47
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Case on Humalong: He posts a whole lot of game commentary and very few actual reads. Mr. Humalong posted:Now that jokephase is winding down I’ll keep an eye out, though. Last time I let someone skate for joking about their role/alignment during jokephase they turned out to be lurking scum filth that killed me n2. Mr. Humalong posted:Don't help their case then. There's some info in the last 200 or so posts, I promise. You could find a lead! If you think GGN is town, then take a look at who is pushing her and see if they've said anything that pings your radar. That's what I'm about to do. Mr. Humalong posted:No I mean like give some reasons. Your post looks like a policy vote someone would make an hour after the game started. I just reread DB about 30 minutes ago and some of it looked scummy but I always think DB is scummy so I'm inclined to stay neutral right now. His vote on GGN is bad but it was the second vote and he at least gave a reason for it beyond "gut read". I'll give him an iota of credit for that. His primary vote is for IS but he provides like a bare minimum of reasoning and then has these weird commentary posts about his vote that don't make sense to me. About how he regrets it and has egg on his face. Like maybe I'm just missing some context but these seem super awkward and weird to me, and I've read them in their context in the thread and I don't get it. The whole thing reads like someone who is self-conscious about their votes, and isn't engaging with the person they are voting in any natural way.
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Sep 15, 2018 01:58
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I'm going to bed soon, so I'll post some thoughts on Toal and IP tomorrow. I don't have too much to add on Toal that hasn't already been brought up. The light-aligned thing might have been a slip, but maybe not. IP is just caught scum so there's not any casing needed but I do want to re-read him more thoroughly with an eye for connections.
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Sep 15, 2018 02:03
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Describe your Pokemon's appearance. Nothing that would give it away. On a scale of 1 to 10. How close in proximity would you say your move fits your flavor? Strongest town read. This is not a helpful game. I don't know enough about Pokemon to appropriately scope an answer that doesn't give things away without being vague. I have two eyes! My move matches something that I found on a pokemon wiki for my guy, so I guess it fits? Town read seems redundant with evolve votes and not useful.
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Sep 15, 2018 10:34
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imgay posted:why do people make lists like this Why are you shading the dead guys vote list? He posted it 45 min to deadline and its the people he would vote for / a scum list.
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Sep 15, 2018 10:37
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SalTheBard posted:No. Its wasted on me. To move my evolve vote, I'm going to go out on a limb and ##evolve Epsilon As unusual as some of the mechanics talk around "I didn't submit an action, also it failed" I'm willing to trust that he's being truthful rather than some really odd low-upside scum lying. Also this: Epsilon Plus posted:
This is a very towny callout. There was no sample role PM so scum can't really make this post. Only town would know that town-aligned is the ... town alignment.
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Sep 15, 2018 10:54
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Also, I really think db is lying about being a bomb and/or scumslipped due to the roleblock callout, which seemed to be on the nose for what happened. Here is the relevant sequence (emphasis mine):Dick Bastardly posted:
Epsilon Plus posted:Strangely, yes. What did you do? Dick Bastardly posted:The reason I asked that specific question was because you said you could have been roleblocked... so you implied making an action yet having denied it. The key takeaway here is E+ mentioned "maybe I can be roleblocked" which is not at all the same as saying "maybe I was roleblocked". The fact that E+ probably was actually roleblocked, which he only reveals after DB presses him on it makes it really appear that DB knew about it. But DB claimed to be a bomb not a roleblocker. The alternative is that DB misread E+ and made an assumption that just happened to be correct. I'll believe the former before the latter.
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Sep 15, 2018 11:03
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Dancer posted:Should it help clarify things: it was me who jailed E+ (when I Metronomed during the day). Hmm, I guess I'm just confused about your claims at this point. I realize you're withholding info and thats fine, but so far I gather: 1. You metronomed E+ during the day, copying an ability from AA. That jailed E+ N1 2. You also have a N1 action which you claimed failed, because AA claimed he jailed you back. How did you get AA's action, was it a N0 action?
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Sep 15, 2018 11:16
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Toalpaz posted:Why did you ignore my post explaining that 'light aligned' post? Why are you trying to clear E+''s name with such a weak argument. I'm not ignoring your explanation. When I said "The light-aligned thing might have been a slip, but maybe not" the "maybe not" part is that you were actually joking. You just have to understand that while I do believe its more likely that you were actually joking and your explanation is honest there's also the possibility it was a post-hoc justification after getting called out. As for clearing E+ on a weak argument I really don't think its weak. The post he made is just not a thing scum would post, even to hedge my previous statement a little and assume they have a fake PM in hand that includes town-aligned. Let me explain: If a scum player sees you claim light-aligned, they are not going to think "hey maybe this guy is lying about their alignment". They are going to think you might be a 3rd party or non-town or something. Basically scum are always going to believe you even if they think you are claiming something other than the pure town alignment. Does that make sense? I strongly believe E+ would not have made that callout post if he was scum. Calling someone out for not knowing the town aligned is only something a town player would post, thinking they may have caught scum faking their alignment.
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Sep 15, 2018 15:27
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Even that doesn't work for him since you would have seen the busdriver too since that usually counts as a visit
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Sep 15, 2018 19:42
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I know its the weekend, but I'd like to hear from Humalong. How do you feel about E+ and the IP/Sal situation? Have any of your reads changed on GGN, Toal, IS? How do you feel about the failed DB lynch?
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Sep 15, 2018 20:47
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Dancer posted:On a separate note, the evolve vote is currently like this: I think you missed my evolve vote for E+. Evolving AA is probably a waste, and Sal claims he can't evolve. I support E+ since if we believe he has a (currently) useless Splash, its clearly an ability meant to evolve and could likely be powerful. As previously stated I have a good town read on him and I'm not concerned about the issues people have around his claim today.
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Sep 16, 2018 02:17
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Humalong I think you've put forth some good analysis that I generally agree with, so you are lower on my suspicion list now.
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Sep 17, 2018 02:25
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Toalpaz posted:Isn't this a weird post? Doesn't it look like Slam is trying to give weak towny reads on E+? How are you parsing "This is a very towny thing to do" as a "weak" towny read? I know you're new but I am just not following any of your arguments and I think you're scum.
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Sep 17, 2018 02:28
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Mr. Humalong posted:I really feel like they're scum, though going off of their posts. Enough that I'll ##vote ASF for right now. Would you rather lynch ASF over IP or is this a pressure vote?
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Sep 17, 2018 02:31
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My action succeeded. But it didn't have any tangible game effect or gain me any knowledge, so I won't be claiming anything further.
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Sep 17, 2018 21:14
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imgay posted:Hmm...I saw Dick bastardly go to sal last night, but isn't he just supposed to be a lynch bomb why would he visit someone hmm.... Hey wait sal said he was roleblocked.... hmmm Good enough for me ##vote Dick
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Sep 17, 2018 21:24
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Toalpaz posted:Let me guess, you're spreading gas on people cause you're an arsonist. Nope, I do pro-town stuff at night. If you think I'm scum you should make a case on me and advance the game instead of just sniping.
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Sep 17, 2018 21:26
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imgay if you caught DB I'll vote to evolve you tomorrow but I want to validate your catch first.
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Sep 17, 2018 21:28
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cool, ##evolve imgay
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Sep 17, 2018 21:44
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Dick Bastardly posted:bussing is a thing Ok, let's play along with this game. So, the scum busdriver decided to bus you with the scum roleblocker two nights in a row. For their town target, they chose to target a town player whose claimed ability provides no-utility / negative utility to town. For their scum target, instead of choosing the killer and/or poisoner, they chose the roleblocker. Dick, you better get to work finding the world's worst scum busdriver in order to clear your name and prove you've been set up. You should entice this person to hammer you today and then we'll salute your brave sacrifice when you blow them up.
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Sep 18, 2018 00:24
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Here's a summary of each player's cflaimed powder. Apologies if I've missed anything: ASF - Claimed Hider AA - Claimed Jailer. N1 -> Dancer, N2 -> Sober AS - No Claim Dancer- Metronome. N1 Jailed E+. N2 Hide? DB - Claimed Bomb, No Action E+ - Claimed Splash (Does Nothing) GGN - Claimed 1 shot Vig. Used N2 -> ??, Failed, Gone. Hal - Claimed Tracker: N1 Track DB to IS. N2 Track DB to Sal imgay - Claimed Watcher: N1 -> ?? Failed, N2 Watched Sal, only DB Visits. Humalong - No Claim Sal - Claimed JOAT: N1 Watched AA: IP Visisted. N2 Doc Failed on ?? (RB) Slamburger - No Claim SolusLunes - Claimed 1shot BP Toalpaz - No Claim Dead/flipped: b-minus Town Doctor IcePhoenix Scum Poisoner
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Sep 18, 2018 14:38
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Slamburger posted:cflaimed powder mafia edit: claimed power
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Sep 18, 2018 14:38
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GenericGirlName posted:Claim time for me: Of all the claims, this one stands out as potentially scummy. Granted, it was a voluntary early day claim, but it was prior to the DB catch and people hadn't really claimed any results yet. In that light this could definitely be a scum move to lay down cover for a failed kill before someone swoops in and nails you for it. Its the kind of claim that is adjacent to scum killer and can provide plausible deniability for future actions as well. Caught doing a kill on a subsequent night, "yeah I was targeted by an ability that evolved me and I was given an extra charge" I want to be clear that this isn't a smoking gun or anything, but its definitely worth future consideration. Also, I don't see any reason for GGN not to claim the target at this point.
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Sep 18, 2018 15:19
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 I wonder if Hal is scum who is piling on his caught teammate. Scum definitely need a rolecop/tracker of some sort. His results could be real or just him knowing who DB targeted since it would be scum knowledge. Then again, it was pretty clear he wanted to vote DB.
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Sep 18, 2018 16:37
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Hal, can you explain your rationale for targeting DB twice? I get the first time that you caught him lying, and also visiting a person who claimed to have been blocked, so probable RB. Why track him again? Is it that useful to know who he roleblocked N2? As opposed to trying to track a killer or someone else? Also, I just realized I left IllegallySober off my claim list. Once I got to IP who was dead I must have jumped ahead to imgay.
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Sep 18, 2018 16:41
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-1 We may want to discuss if we want to lurkerkill GGN and ASF before hammering. I'm busy at work at the moment but can re-read and maybe post some thoughts a little later.
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I'm (probably) responsible for Toalpaz's death, and if it was me, Toalpaz was scum, or at least a killer of some sort. I have the ability Dancer alluded to yesterday, Powder. If the player I target tries to kill someone, they die. I targeted Toalpaz. Other info from my previous nights: N1 SolusLunes. Succeeded but nothing happened so Solus didn't kill anyone N1 N2 DickB
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