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Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007


So there's going to be a remake of the classic horror film Suspiria 1977.



Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uGIEY7tdg8

Trailer 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY6QKRl56Ok

The film is directed by Luca Guadagnino(Call Me by Your Name) and written by David Kajganich.

It stars Dakota Johnson, Tilda Swinton, Mia Goth

Music is by : Thom Yorke

Release Date : November 2 , 2018


If you don't know it's a remake of the original 1977 film by Dario Argento , being the first part of The Mothers Trilogy a loosely connected trilogy of films about evil witches. It takes place at a school for ballet. It has neon lighting and a killer soundtrack.



Original Trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MecSlkWMHPY

Soundtrack by GOBLIN


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pins1y0XAa0


Starring: Really no one you'd recognize really unless your really into Italian film.

Suspiria is really considered by many to be Dario Argento's masterpiece of cinema. Considered by many to be one of the greatest horror movies ever made. A lot of this is because many people see it as a evolution or modern version of the gothic horror genre pushing it into modern times with neon lighting to match.

In recent news for this film though is there is a new 4k restoration of it that has been going on tour recently in theaters around the country.


Here's the restored trailer for the 4k film :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y0EEqtWrJI


So this is the thread to talk about Suspiria the 4k restoration and the upcoming remake of the film.

The non restored version of Suspiria can I believe still be found on Amazon Prime and for free on Tubi Tv if you have not seen it.

Hollismason fucked around with this message at Sep 11, 2018 around 13:20

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Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006



I was skeptical about the whole idea of this. But this looks... lovely.

It's still going to bother me that the original musical theme is missing, such a central element of the original.

I'm loving the casting of Tilda Swinton though. That's going to make this picture.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty


Ahem, I think Jessica Harper and Udo Kier are both known enough outside Italian Cinema

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.



Joan Bennett and Alida Valli too. Suspiria has a surprisingly stacked cast for a low-budget Italian production.

Fun fact: Alida Valli's real name is Baroness Alida Maria Laura Altenburger von Marckenstein-Frauenberg.

flashy_mcflash
Feb 7, 2011

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...


Ultra Carp

I'm seeing the poo poo out of this on opening day - Suspiria is one of my favourite movies, Tilda Swinton is my favourite actor, and Luca Guadignoingongoingognoingginino made my favourite movie last year.

Is the poster in the OP official? "Based on the Dario Argento's cult classic" is pretty awkward.

Spatulater bro!
Aug 19, 2003



I'm seeing the 4K restoration of Suspiria in the theater on September 23rd. Hyped as hell.

As for the remake I thing it looks great, and from what I've read it's going to totally be my thing. I love how the director didn't attempt to replicate Argento's style but instead gave it his own. I think the film world is big enough for two version of Suspiria to exist, especially when they each take such different approaches.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007


I was apprehensive about til the second trailer.

I'm seeing the 4k restoration this fall.

Rivethead
Feb 22, 2008

The boys at work sure ain't gonna like this!

Jessica Harper is playing "Anke" in this new version. I can't wait.

china bot
Sep 7, 2014

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Plaster Town Cop

I'm anticipating liking the remake more than the original. Now they just need to remake Inferno & Phenomena as coherent films.

Hollismason posted:

Starring: Really no one you'd recognize really unless your really into Italian film.

Jessica Harper was in Phantom of the Paradise, how dare u

Friends Are Evil
Oct 25, 2010



flashy_mcflash posted:

I'm seeing the poo poo out of this on opening day - Suspiria is one of my favourite movies, Tilda Swinton is my favourite actor, and Luca Guadignoingongoingognoingginino made my favourite movie last year.

Is the poster in the OP official? "Based on the Dario Argento's cult classic" is pretty awkward.

Think that poster's probably a fan design.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty


china bot posted:

I'm anticipating liking the remake more than the original. Now they just need to remake Inferno & Phenomena as coherent films.


Jessica Harper was in Phantom of the Paradise, how dare u

Phenomena is perfectly coherent. It's just trying to be like, three films within a single running time.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.



Suspiria isn't incoherent either. If you accept the basic premise of witches being real, it's a very straightforward horror story.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty


Samuel Clemens posted:

Suspiria isn't incoherent either. If you accept the basic premise of witches being real, it's a very straightforward horror story.

Even moreso in the original Italian as I discovered when I saw the remaster in theaters. The English dub isn't bad per se, but it does muddle some bits that end up causing confusion.

Also lol that there are some people who can't accept a fantastic premise in a horror film and then spend far too much effort drawing all sorts of weird conclusions in their reading because of it.

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!


Fun Shoe

Samuel Clemens posted:

Suspiria isn't incoherent either. If you accept the basic premise of witches being real, it's a very straightforward horror story.

Neither is Inferno. A woman who lives in an apartment building discovers that it's home to one of the Three Mothers, she finds out a bit too much and is killed for it, and her brother travels there to find her because she'd sent him a letter right before her disappearance. That's about it?

china bot
Sep 7, 2014

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Plaster Town Cop

Choco1980 posted:

Phenomena is perfectly coherent. It's just trying to be like, three films within a single running time.

True. I'll be honest, it took me like 5 viewings to make sense of Inferno, but apparently that's just me.

e: Inferno was my favorite Argento film even before I could fully wrap my brain around it, so coherence isn't a full-throated criticism here.

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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Choco1980 posted:

Phenomena is perfectly coherent. It's just trying to be like, three films within a single running time.

Creepers, on the other hand,

The Notorious ZSB
Apr 19, 2004

I SAID WE'RE NOT GONNA BE FUCKING SUCK THIS YEAR!!!


The original is fantastic, the soundtrack is imo the best feature of the film. If there is anything this new one has to live up to beyond anything else its the score and music they'll use.

I'm excited for this new one, it looks like they've gotten the vibe of the original captured well.

font color sea
Jan 23, 2017

Expelliarmus!


https://variety.com/2018/film/news/...ria-1202960972/

Well, uhm, that's something
So you can be sued for paying homage to something now

https://imgur.com/a/h1ULbR1 - for reference, similarities between art and movie

I, Butthole
Jun 30, 2007

Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT


font color sea posted:

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/...ria-1202960972/

Well, uhm, that's something
So you can be sued for paying homage to something now

https://imgur.com/a/h1ULbR1 - for reference, similarities between art and movie

I mean in a visual medium, homage requires similarities not carbon copies - those look lofted wholesale. It's not reminiscent of the work, it copies it, which fits plagiarism more than homage and especially in a legal definition.

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty


Didn't Darren Aaronofsky buy the rights to Perfect Blue specifically so he could copy images from it for Black Swan?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


font color sea posted:

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/...ria-1202960972/

Well, uhm, that's something
So you can be sued for paying homage to something now

https://imgur.com/a/h1ULbR1 - for reference, similarities between art and movie

Didn't this happen when The Cell came out, or is Damian Hirst not litigious like that?

font color sea
Jan 23, 2017

Expelliarmus!


From what I can see in the article it seems they're not suing for plagiarism, but for reproducing the artist's work commercially, though.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


What's the distinction?

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty


HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

What's the distinction?

Apparently the estate explicitly has in their copyright or whatever that the work can be reproduced for scholarly purposes as an umbrella permission? (ie classrooms, museums, etc)

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Now I'm even more confused, isn't that already part of fair use? Maybe I should stop asking questions and just read this poo poo.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Excellent. The Arkham Asylum shower cam is operational once more.


Saw the 4k restoration two weeks ago, looked really good. Plus it was my first time seeing it so extra bonus.



HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

What's the distinction?

Probably that plagiarism isn't codified in law, copyright is.

china bot
Sep 7, 2014

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Plaster Town Cop

Choco1980 posted:

Didn't Darren Aaronofsky buy the rights to Perfect Blue specifically so he could copy images from it for Black Swan?

Requiem for a Dream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt0ulBpi2zA

I, Butthole
Jun 30, 2007

Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT


HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

Now I'm even more confused, isn't that already part of fair use? Maybe I should stop asking questions and just read this poo poo.

Nah, copyrighted work applies copyright indiscriminately unless they apply exceptions - screening a film is still technically a breach unless there's a specific license, such as education copies etc. Fair use to my knowledge concerns some degree of transformative use, such as critique via narration (video essays, let's plays and the like).

What's been done here is more akin to finding a really good sentence in a book and using it without quotes while saying "hey this is a great source!" - with the double whammy of being used in a commercial product.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007


Film steals from art like constantly.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!


Hollismason posted:

Film steals from art like constantly.

Word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-uJbQNTyZw

Granted, usually it's homage to art that's long out of copyright.

I, Butthole
Jun 30, 2007

Begin the operations of the gas chambers, gas schools, gas universities, gas libraries, gas museums, gas dance halls, and gas threads, etcetera.
I DEMAND IT


Alexandra Heller-Nicholas, who wrote the Suspiria monograph in the Devil's Advocates series, has some thoughts on the flick here: http://sensesofcinema.com/2018/feat...ninos-suspiria/

CountFosco
Jan 9, 2012

Welcome back to the Liturgigoon thread, friend.



RIP Satoshi Kon, you remain missed.

Neo Rasa
Mar 8, 2007
Everyone should play DUKE games.



Just LOL if you thought an Italian horror movie wasn't going to rip something off.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007


Neo Rasa posted:

Just LOL if you thought an Italian horror movie wasn't going to rip something off.

Then a Hong Kong movie rips them off whole sale by stealing their Goblin soundtrack.


It is the circle of life.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


This movie loving owned.

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

SEXY... defines my posts and my ride


How's the music? I love Radiohead and I wonder if Jonny Greenwood helped teach Thom how to make a movie score or whatever.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


It's very sparse, as it should be, and has some well timed falsetto crooning.

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003



I love the stuff heís posted so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpULWBT1WEg

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours


Ehud posted:

I love the stuff heís posted so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpULWBT1WEg

The scene this accompanies kicks fuckin rear end.

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Ehud
Sep 19, 2003



I thought this was getting a wide release on November 2nd, but there arenít any showtimes.

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