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Saw this yesterday and I keep thinking about it. It's like a more dour Neon Demon without the neon. I think it starts a little slow, but when Susie does her first dance as the Protagonist, it REALLY picks up into a what-the-gently caress-fest. The third act was b-a-n-a-n-a-s. I really loved it, but I can see how a lot of people will hate it. I think the epilogue was (for me) unnecessary but I'm open to being convinced. Is there a good reading on why Bader-Meinhoff was always going on in the background? I'm aware of the phenomenon (when you learn something new and suddenly see it everywhere) but it seemed like the filmmakers were using the event/group itself as a thematic reference. Any ideas?
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Stuart Wellington (one of the hosts of the Flophouse) mentioned on Twitter that for him, it played into the themes of young versus old, since I guess the RAF was popular with young leftists and hated by olds in Germany at the time.
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sector_corrector posted:This is loving stupid, and speaks to why these forums are so poo poo at discussing media, which is that they don't really understand how to talk about media beyond druthers and preferences, because the users are brain damaged dullards conditioned by Warhammer fiction. Dullard here: how does discussing artistic/narrative choices and how they intersect with the films themes come across to you as "druthers and preferences"? Not only am I curious how the Bader-Meinhof gang informs the themes of Suspiria, I'm also curious at the filmmaker's deliberate choice to use drab colors (but interesting textures) in opposition to the original's garish colors. For me, it made me think about how buttoned-up subgroups deal with the crush of modern progress (or progression is maybe more accurate in the timeframe of the film). Obviously the film is about an ancient coven, but I think "ballet school" could also be considered an antiquated, repressed group along with Mennonites, etc. When colorless tradition (religion, etc) meets a brutalist future, what happens to that dangerous hot-blooded spark of youth? When the past is drab and the future looks drab, what is there left to do but wreck poo poo now (RAF, Head Exploding Death Avatar)? Anyway when you get off probation, come back and discuss media in a better way with us, I want to git gud at media analysis.
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InfiniteZero posted:The whole movie is about the transfer of power, and Baader-Meinhoff were trying to effect a transfer of power using fear, violence, and terrorism from within. The correlation (metaphor) is pretty straightforward from there. If anything, I don't think there's a whole lot to it. It works great, but it's not super complicated (not accusing anybody of being "dumb" or whatever if you don't get it either -- I just think it's a fairly simple metaphor so long as you understand the historical context). I didn't know the historical context of either of your points so this was much appreciated!
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