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trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Craptacular! posted:

My mom has an Apple Watch and it’s such a deeply personal device that it’s hard to justify telling her that I’d like to wipe it for a day and use it to get an idea of the lifestyle improvements in any. She’s too tech-intimidated to use the notifications, widgets, etc; like we literally just learned we can do speakerphone calls on it last month. It’s an expensive heart rate monitor with a clock.

Based on how elderly the features focused are, I’m guessing Apple is also seeing the Watch as a must have niche product for elderly people.

Just get one and if you don’t like it return it. My S3 is totally inessential but I also like it a lot and find myself using it for poo poo all the time.

AlternateAccount posted:

Gaming on phones that isn't bullshit city builder or game-boy grade candy crush type poo poo is such a waste of time.

*development time

It frustrates me to no end that Apple remains obstinate about never pushing for a unified controller standard or ecosystem for that poo poo. Like, I get that in 2010 Jobs didn’t want devs leaning on peripheral accessories because he wanted to normalize multitouch and force devs to make good apps for it “so that you never need to connect anything to your phone/tablet to make it good” but it’s 2018 and people run loving PUBG on their iPhones but Apple insists on games being almost exclusively “touch first”.

The Nintendo Switch has a Tegra from 2015 and a 720p screen but everybody’s falling over themselves to port poo poo like DOOM to it with great results, and that’s on top of Nintendo still having the most busted rear end online service and digital software store in the industry. Meanwhile iOS hardware from like the last 3 years runs performance circles around the Switch and Apple has the App Store/online backup/etc benchmark but that poo poo’s for mobile games and tappity-tap garbage because nobody wants to make a loving controller for it and Apple has no interest in fostering that development when they’re raking in all of those Pokémon Go bucks.

Like, literally call up 8bitDo and be like “we’ll take care of the certification process but you gotta sell some controllers in our stores” or Microsoft and be like “your console is getting the crap kicked out of it. Make the XBone controller iOS compatible and we’ll stock it” and be done. Both 8bitDo and Microsoft controllers already natively work with Mac OS so the absence on iOS is literally because nobody-most critically Apple- see a point to it. The only controllers Apple sells are those POS Steelseries ones from 2012 that cost like $100. This is why we can’t have Skyrim on iOS.

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trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

*gives you a mega swirly*

stop no I have psoriasis

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

repiv posted:

the switch has good games because people are willing to drop $60 for a game on there, but on a phone people lose their poo poo if you have the audacity to charge more than a dollar

Yeah but that’s dumb. And Apple has no excuse like that with the iPad. If anything, having good games on it would give people a reason to buy one or upgrade from their 2014 model. “Here it’s $600 but the same games look way better on it than on Switch.” Done. But yeah there are tons of mobile ports on Switch that look worse and cost twice as much and people buy them because “now I can play Cut the Rope on a real console.”

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

AlternateAccount posted:

Schiller is such a loving nerd. Like dude has no sense of what cool is. You can totally imagine him saying "Hey check out these cool New Balances I got down at the Payless!"

Apple is run by a group of Coldplay Dads and has been since like 2001. Except worse because these guys actually know Coldplay.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

MarcusSA posted:

This.

I use 3D Touch multiple times a day.

Yeah. When I switch to my iPad Air I end up trying to use it and mashing the screen like an idiot.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
They all do wireless charging. Still shaking my head at the lack of 3D Touch.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

No new iPads I guess ?

Octubre, amiguito. Calma.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

TheWevel posted:

i'd like to do 72 month financing on an XS max 512gb please

If 84 month financing can work for brodozers and dealership-modded lifted rear end chudtrucks it’ll work for a phone.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Somewhat Heroic posted:

What a huge wet fart, and I am typically a pretty unapologetic fanboy. Welp I guess I will go down to the apple store and buy whatever iPhone SE they have in stock to replace my busted one because no way in hell am I going back to the 6 form factor and :lol: at the cost of the "plebeian" XR. I don't need a phone that does everything my 5K iMac does you dummies!

You will when they replace the MacBook with a phone+dock. Or better yet, a dummy $1000 laptop device that wirelessly connects to the phone in your pocket.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

JazzFlight posted:

Is it too much to ask to refresh the iPod Touch with some upgraded guts? They're still selling the same one from like 3-4 years ago and I need an upgrade... and I'm not laying out hundreds more for an iPhone with phone parts I don't need.

If Apple was less dumb they’d update the Touch mildly and then flog them hard at the education market. There’s a ton of classroom stuff where the iPad gets the crap kicked out of it by Chromebooks but something the size of the Touch would be perfect.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

AlternateAccount posted:

Can you just imagine a conference room where they show that excrement for an opening video to Steve for approval? It ends, and they all turn toward him with rapturous smiles like they've not just shat out the worst kind of turd.

It was so cringe. Painful.

Ah yes, Steve “and here’s my friend Bono/Chris Martin to wrap up this keynote with a song” Jobs.

Steve once wanted to give away some golden tickets in (I think) iPod boxes for tours of the Apple headquarters. He was literally gonna dress up like Willy Wonka and do this whole bit and the board had to like talk him out of it.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Oasx posted:

It feels a bit weird that the cheapest X phone is also not the smaller one, I really don't understand the need for phones to constantly get bigger in size.

Because otherwise Samsung would make fun of them.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

gregday posted:

Modern Buckles are smaller watch only? :(

Yerp. “For (average proportioned) women only” which seems kinda lovely from a company that positions itself on the vanguard of social progressivism.

Then again, they also censored this summer’s pride flag background in Russia so...

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Durzel posted:

I'm not sure selling a Pride band is a strong sign that it "positions itself on the vanguard of social progressivism" any more than people changing their Facebook profile photo temporarily to have a rainbow backdrop are.

Agreed. What I meant more is that a perception of progressivism and iconoclasm is integral to Apple’s brand in the same way that aspiration and “premium-ness” are. They talk up their bona fides but Tim’s also happy to have Paul Ryan over for dinner or stump for a photo every now and then with our dipshit President.

Coffee Jones posted:



Yaaaaagh. I’m getting some cold feet especially since this iPhone 7 Plus is quite alright but especially with iOS 12

Then wait a while. I’m perfectly happy with the refurb 6S that I traded my old 6 in for last year.

The XS will be around for the next year and an *even better* phone will replace it after that.

trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Sep 14, 2018

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Boris Galerkin posted:

I mean according to wikipedia (so caveat emptor) 74% of Russians said gays shouldn't be accepted in society in 2013, an increase from 60% in 2002. In 2007 68% of Russians said being gay was wrong. Crimes against gay people are not considered hate crimes. There was a lot of talk about being gay and the World Cup this year. In 2013 a federal law was passed outlawing gay "propaganda" which is probably defined as "anything I don't like." Considering Tim introduced the rainbow band/face in support of the LGBT community they probably count as propaganda.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is Apple was probably forced to remove it and if not it seems awfully dangerous to flagrantly advertise on your wrist that you're gay or support LGBT rights in a country that hates gays.

I concur, but it leaves the same sort of impression that a lot of these companies’ (Apple, Google, etc) behavior regarding China does. Like, of course it comes straight from Putin- not only with everything that you’ve mentioned but also the violently repressive state/military/law enforcement treatment of gay people. I don’t know that Apple could do anything else in this case and still do business in Russia, but often I wish that the response from companies like Apple and Google would be to simply not do business in repressive regimes in that case.

And to be frank- given the known extent of ongoing Russian cyberwarfare against the US and its European allies at this point- if the US Executive had any shred of sense or legitimacy (ie, not owing Russia a massive favor for getting them to the White House/piss tape kompromat/widespread Russian connections within the US and European conservative sphere) they’d ban any American tech company from doing business there on top of all of the sanctions. If we blocked business with Cuba and treated them like a rogue state for half a century over their communism and relationship with the USSR we can stop Microsoft, et al. from doing business in a country that carried out what amounts to an act of war against us and continues to devote significant resources to doing so for the purposes of destabilizing our country, on top of the litany of human rights and international policy violations.

Too bad ~30% of Americans + half of Congress and the entire White House think Russia’s awesome for saving us from Hillary. :shrug:

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Durzel posted:

Also to the wider point of danger - sure it would be dangerous for people to wear a Pride band on their wrist in Russia, or at least more so than most countries, but standing up for what you belief in often is dangerous. You can't stop being LGBT in your essence because your government doesn't agree with it.

1) It seems like even selling the band or including the background in an update would’ve been illegal from the get-go, so Apple’s choice was either to not do business there or not bring those things to Russia. There was no scenario where they could just go in and sell the bands/feature the background without breaking the law.

2) Encouraging people to stand up for their humanity and rights is all well and good but when thousands of people are being tortured, imprisoned, killed, and even chemically castrated in Russia for being gay (and that’s just by the state, it’s not counting all of the extra-judicial reprisals that the public are encouraged to partake in) it’s not exactly great to just be like “well poo poo’s hard but people gotta fight for their rights man” for the same reason that outing somebody against their will is a supremely lovely thing to do.

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trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

wooger posted:

What educational need does what’s effectively a WiFi only smartphone fill? A chromebook is way cheaper, allows typing reports and use of any web based software. I can’t see the comparison.


As a former middle school science teacher and academic adviser who has done curriculum building and “tech based teaching” with a partner who currently teaches high school science and SpEd, I can think of like a million good uses for a small, cheap, WiFi-only smartphone/pocket computer with a robust software ecosystem and lots of sensors and gizmos. Chromebooks are great too and I’ve used them in the classroom extensively but they’re totally different beasts. There are a lot of applications for where something small like a Touch would be super useful. Basically 80% of what Apple is trying to encourage teachers to use the iPad for could be done just as well or, often, much better and more flexibly with something like a modernized iPod Touch.

For starters they can be used to make films and art/multimedia projects in ways that Chromebooks are clunky for. You can network them and use them to do stuff that often requires special equipment- even something as simple as iclicker-style classroom response stuff, and be flexible and creative about it. If Apple wanted to take a blow at TI’s calculator monopoly, they could advertise existing/help make better graphing calculator and science apps. This would be especially cool if they incorporated some VRkit-capable hardware and allowed kids to use them for stuff like data collection or measurement. The same goes for the hardware already there (accelerometer, etc). It would be especially helpful if Apple created an easy application builder for teachers to put together lesson-specific or novel apps for their own use. I feel like there’d be a lot of potential with it.

Also- kind of a digression, but you’d be surprised at the number of (predominantly low income) families that have a bunch of smartphones as the exclusive computing platform in the house. I got many papers and even PowerPoint presentations that were made on phones.

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