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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Gotta admit is frustrating how both Predators and The Predator focused on adding more stuff to the Predator lore because they wanted to leave their mark I guess? Instead of just giving the Preds new gimmicks or tricks. What if a predator could pop open an entire 6 pack all at once with his hands and pincers?
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It gets boring to do the same thing 3 times in a row. The James Cameron style "make the same movie but swap the settings and themes around and add a new underarching theme" works for a second movie, but it's silly to do it after that unless it's a return to form. The F&F franchise, of all things, kind of does the best with this (although the second one was the worst one because it was just a bad retread).
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The next Predator should be about an Elon Musk billionaire who springs a trap on a Predator and captures it, and then releases it into the Alaskan wilderness in the dead of winter, stripped of its gear, for a bunch of other rich people to hunt for sport. What I’m saying is that Predator 5 should be Surviving The Game 2.
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That would work. Anything that makes the Predator the main character.
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xenomorph is right on. the ufo at the beginning is the one flaw in the film. it's much more interesting if you're "discovering" there's an alien with the boys. it's like how the director's cut of aliens is weaker because it shows hadely's hope before the infestation.Shrimp or Shrimps posted:Something felt off about the movement in AvP 2010. Like scale was off or something, but it just wasn't a fun experience. The Predator's finishing moves were cool the first few times, but like the slow-mo in the Batman games, got pretty old pretty fast. they made it for consoles so the movement is achingly slow. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Sep 20, 2018 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's like how the director's cut of aliens is weaker because it shows hadely's hope before the infestation.  Although it would have been a hilarious twist if the Marines had gotten to the colony, learned that it was a downed transmitter and a blown fusebox and had fixed everything in 20 minutes, just in time for the colonists to throw a big feast for the Marines where great joy and camaraderie is felt by all. The Marines board the Sulaco, their bellies full and their spirits lifted, and return to Earth content in the knowledge that they’ve selflessly helped a downtrodden colony prosper among the stars. Roll credits. I think the colony footage is effective because you know something awful is going to happen to the colonists, and seeing them nonchalantly going about their lives is a really great contrast to when the Marines show up and everyone is just... gone, and the place is trashed. No blood, no bodies, just.... gone.
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Darko posted:It gets boring to do the same thing 3 times in a row. The James Cameron style "make the same movie but swap the settings and themes around and add a new underarching theme" works for a second movie, but it's silly to do it after that unless it's a return to form. I don't know, I'd watch Predator vs Miami Vice.
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Groovelord Neato posted:xenomorph is right on. the ufo at the beginning is the one flaw in the film. it's much more interesting if you're "discovering" there's an alien with the boys. it's like how the director's cut of aliens is weaker because it shows hadely's hope before the infestation. Well, yeah, but also the title of that movie is "Alien".
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Xenomrph posted:Gonna disagree there. Like okay yeah you’re “discovering” the colony alongside the Marines, but the movie is called ‘Aliens’ and it’s a sequel to the movie ‘Alien’, which featured a hostile space monster. If the presence of crazy space monsters at the colony comes as a surprise, then I’m not sure what to say. i don’t mean in a literal sense. it is that you’re taking the journey along with them. and you don’t know what the colony was like before it went to poo poo - just like the marines. there’s a lot more tension the way it’s done in th theatrical cut. it’s the same logic for cutting the ufo out the beginning of predator. plus the Hadley’s hope stuff fucks with the pacing something fierce.
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I think the Hadley's Hope opening does undercut some of the tension of what the Marines are walking into, but I also find it to be a supremely interesting sequence because James Cameron is so notoriously guarded about his creative process, and the Weyland-Yutani walk-and-talk is structured and dialogued nearly identically to the Miles Dyson walk-and-talk Cyberdyne scene that he would shoot years later in Terminator 2. It's basically him working out a scene on film that he later slipped into his back pocket when it didn't make the theatrical cut. If nothing else, from a craft standpoint it's worth watching as a rare glimpse behind the curtain.
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Generally the turret scene is also a tension-less waste of run time that makes the aliens seem less intelligent than they are otherwise depicted, as well.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i don’t mean in a literal sense. it is that you’re taking the journey along with them. and you don’t know what the colony was like before it went to poo poo - just like the marines. there’s a lot more tension the way it’s done in th theatrical cut. it’s the same logic for cutting the ufo out the beginning of predator. plus the Hadley’s hope stuff fucks with the pacing something fierce. Going into 'Aliens' blind, if you cut the colony stuff, you still know something bad happened at the colony and that Aliens were involved before the Marines do because of the title of the movie and the fact that it's a sequel. Sodomy Hussein posted:Generally the turret scene is also a tension-less waste of run time that makes the aliens seem less intelligent than they are otherwise depicted, as well.
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A Predator rampage around the Chicago area turns out to be a Cleaner team pursuing a Doctor Predator, but the real villains are another Doctor and a one-armed ex-Cleaner who want to deploy Upgrade technology that the first Doctor opposed. The Fugitive but with Predators, basically.
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This movie was loving ludicrous. Like I got out of seeing it an hour ago and I'm still remembering things that made no goddamn sense.
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RedSnapper posted:The worst thing about the AVP movies is that they didn't outright copy the scenario from the 1992 (?) comic. Instead of dipping into any of the stuff that was developed in the comic series it feels more like Predators and The Predator adapted the lovely old action figures. "It's like the original Predator but bigger and more bad rear end!"   Both movies also had the "new Super Predator!!!!" clowning on an 'original version' Predator just like Jurassic Park 3 had the Spinosaurus beat the poo poo out of a Tyrannosaur in order to establish its bonafides for the audience. It really feels like the studio was worried that the original design wouldn't be interesting to audiences any more so they needed to redesign it and make it bigger and scarier and bulletproof.
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Fart City posted:The next Predator should be about an Elon Musk billionaire who springs a trap on a Predator and captures it, and then releases it into the Alaskan wilderness in the dead of winter, stripped of its gear, for a bunch of other rich people to hunt for sport. Ha, that might actually be a good watch. Too bad they already used/killed Busey.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Instead of dipping into any of the stuff that was developed in the comic series it feels more like Predators and The Predator adapted the lovely old action figures. That isn't a terrible idea by itself, the reimagined action figures of those old 90's toys have been very well received by fans so, with the proper execution I think they could properly work in a film.
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If they make another Predator movie it should be titled The Next Predator.
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Neo Rasa posted:If they make another Predator movie it should be titled The Next Predator. PR3DAT0R: neXtreme The predator is on the internet in the 90s.
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Fart City posted:The next Predator should be about an Elon Musk billionaire who springs a trap on a Predator and captures it, and then releases it into the Alaskan wilderness in the dead of winter, stripped of its gear, for a bunch of other rich people to hunt for sport. You have no idea how much I want this.
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Okay, I must have missed something. What was the deal with the marble he took from the predator? He swallowed it, shat it out, gave it to his kid, and it got dropped in the jungle. Then I don't remember ever seeing it again. I feel like I must have missed something.
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That's the predator stealth cloaking marble.
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Oh. Huh. I thought it was the gauntlet that did that. But yeah, now that you mention it Olivia Munn used it at the end without the gauntlet. Guess I just didn't catch that. Thanks. Edit:. Wait, the dude used it to sneak up on Sterling Brown in the ship as well. Starting to think I might not have been paying very close attention to this movie. fishing with the fam fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Sep 22, 2018 |
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It just occurred to me that we captured the Predator, drugged him locked him up threw a shitload of soldiers at him which he subsequently killed yet apparently he was here to HELP us the entire time? No one ever thought to like, talk and work together? Literally the first thing he does after he crash lands is kill a guy violently then string him up by his feet yet again, he's here to help us. Maybe that means something nicer in Predaculture and we've been taking it the wrong way for the past twenty years.
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TheMopeSquad posted:It just occurred to me that we captured the Predator, drugged him locked him up threw a shitload of soldiers at him which he subsequently killed yet apparently he was here to HELP us the entire time? No one ever thought to like, talk and work together? Literally the first thing he does after he crash lands is kill a guy violently then string him up by his feet yet again, he's here to help us. Maybe that means something nicer in Predaculture and we've been taking it the wrong way for the past twenty years. Nothing about the "rogue Predator coming to help humanity" plot makes any sense. Like I keep trying to understand how any of it was supposed to fit together and I can't. Predators are going to take over the earth because of global warming? But some predators want to help us, so their plan is to give us... a single suit of Predator armor??? What????
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I assumed The Predator attacked the soldiers because they were brandishing weapons, and the lab men because they had imprisoned him, thus endangering The Predator's beloved humans
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I want a subtitled cut of this that is just the Predator yelling PLEASE STOP I AM TRYING TO LOVE YOU while he's erasing faces in the lab.
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My take: the Rogue Predator was basically trying to overcome the language barrier by force. "If you try to fight me, you're gonna die, so just drop your god drat gun already and work with me."
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I don't want to fight you, I want to fight global warming!
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I would be willing to watch a movie of a Predator going around killing enemies of preventing Climate Change by walking up to them and going "Do you support Climate Change?" *zap* kind of like in Terminator 1 when the T800 goes "Are you Sarah Connor?" "...yes?" ...*murder*... But the movies do point out that the Predators come when it is exceptionally hot during season.
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Of course! This movie was really the origin story of how Mckenna became Captain Planet.
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Just got back from the movies, I actually liked the movie. Is pure schlock, of course. Pretty much a B-film with a high budget but I think it does work, inferior to the original and Predator 2 but I'd put it above Predators and AvP and slightly behind of Requiem. The main characters don't get much in the way of characterization but the little they get works to get invested in them and allows them to carry the film. That said, the effects take a dip on the final third and the idea of Predators modifying themselves with the DNA of their prey is monumentally stupid and hopefully, if another film gets made it will be either ignored or retconned.
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Gatts posted:kind of like in Terminator 1 when the T800 goes "Are you Sarah Connor?" "...yes?" ...*murder*... Hang on you got a good point there, how did the first terminator actually know it was killing Sarah Conner?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Instead of dipping into any of the stuff that was developed in the comic series it feels more like Predators and The Predator adapted the lovely old action figures. The old Predator toys are completely badass and I will not have you speaking poorly of them.  Just look at the picture you posted, one of them glows in the loving dark. Who gives a poo poo if that “doesn’t make sense” for a stealthy, invisible hunter, glowing in the dark is loving awesome. And he shoots spears! And the other one? He’s got a human skull on a staff, that’s rad as gently caress. I think what I’m getting at is  Don’t talk to us or our sons ever again.  TheMopeSquad posted:It just occurred to me that we captured the Predator, drugged him locked him up threw a shitload of soldiers at him which he subsequently killed yet apparently he was here to HELP us the entire time? No one ever thought to like, talk and work together? Literally the first thing he does after he crash lands is kill a guy violently then string him up by his feet yet again, he's here to help us. Maybe that means something nicer in Predaculture and we've been taking it the wrong way for the past twenty years. I’m with you on this one, I think a better (and more entertaining) use of the Fugitive would have been having him deal with all hostile humans nonlethally. Like, make him brutal and efficient so the humans know he could wreck their poo poo at a moment’s notice, and that he’s showing serious restraint by disabling humans without killing them.
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A Veteran Predator of the Upgrade war descends upon the Game Preserve Planet to find a hunting buddy who was lost and left behind after they escaped capture during the war. The Deer Hunter but Predators.
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So this is a shoe-in for worst movie of the year, right? What is its competition?
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Sodomy Hussein posted:So this is a shoe-in for worst movie of the year, right? What is its competition? Mary Poppins from the look of its trailer.
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Xenomrph posted:Don’t talk to us or our sons ever again. Ha haaaa, awesome. I knew you'd have them.  Edit: I had no idea someone issued 'premium' versions of the old Kenner designs
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I honestly didn't remember the alien UFO intro to Predator until this thread. Either that or I skipped it somehow on my first viewing.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:So this is a shoe-in for worst movie of the year, right? What is its competition? Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom and The Spy Who Dumped Me are way worse (obscure answer: Clara's Ghost) The Predator is absolutely the worst edited film of the year, though china bot fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Sep 22, 2018 |
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