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Johnny Joestar posted:gold experience is one of a handful of stands where the best course of action is to not ask 'what if it did this' because you're going to quickly find out that araki has a habit of writing very open-ended things and it's best not to question it Yeah. It's a lot like Heaven's Door in that regard, although Heaven's Door is at least limited in practice by Rohan's aesthetic sensibilities.
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The Lord of Hats posted:The more extraneous bits of Gold Experience do get trimmed down, at least. I think we've actually seen the last of the damage reflection, for example. There's actually a possible explanation for this hinted at in the episode. Giorno makes it sound like the damage redirection is an uncontrollable side effect of the animals' independence from him; perhaps it will stop happening as he improves his control over the animals' actions. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Oct 9, 2018 |
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Tunicate posted:I think the #1 rule for stands is that when you first get one there's a grace period where you're virtually omnipotent, before you settle down on what your gimmick actually is. Oh yeah. Star Platinum getting the treadmill into the cell makes no sense for such a short-range Stand and implies a make-objects-phase-through-other-objects power that never comes up again. Not to mention Star Finger! And then there's Dio's copy of Hermit Purple, although the artbooks do say it's Jonathan's Stand, so maybe he lost it as he assimilated Jonathan's body.
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Tunicate posted:Clearly Dio's real power is stealing from the Joestar bloodline This is actually a fairly popular fan theory (similar to a Soviet Stand user killing Stroheim, Josuke going back in time to save himself, etc.). Said artbook seems to contradict it, though.
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exploded mummy posted:she takes the place of that kid from the end of part 1 and smokey from part 2 of being seemingly relevant and nothing happening Poco has an actual character arc, and Smokey at least gets to do some Speedwagon-style commentary. The Runaway Girl (she's not even called Anne in the manga) is purely a damsel in distress, when she serves any narrative purpose at all. I'd say her pointlessness is partly due to Araki not being great with female characters back then, but Erina, Lisa Lisa, and even Poco's sister are better written than that, so that just points to the further question of how Araki lost the ability to write female characters starting around the start of Part 3. I don't think it qualifies as a spoiler to say that there are better female characters later on, though.
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Brother Entropy posted:i wouldn't say araki 'lost' the ability to write female characters just because he dropped the boring runaway girl No, I'm saying he "lost" the ability to write female characters because the Runaway Girl, and the Part 3 female characters in general, are not very well-written. Basically every female character in Part 3 is either a damsel in distress or a throwaway villain (and the female throwaway villains tend to be defined by their appearance in a way the male ones aren't). Enya is the exception (although even she turned out to be a less important character than she had been built up as - but that's not a gender thing; other villains who were built up as important, like Jack the Ripper, Straizo, and Santana, got a similar treatment). Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Oct 21, 2018 |
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C-SPAN Caller posted:Isnt part 5 disliked because it had horrible fan translations by non native speakers That's one of three reasons it's disliked, I'd say. The other two reasons involve spoilers, though.
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Strength is based on an obscure horror movie called something like Ghost Ship, IIRC. The OVA version of the Strength arc actually seems to have used the movie as a reference for depicting the ship's interior. There's also some in later parts. In Part 4 you have American Psycho (Kira), Stephen King's Misery (Yukako), and probably others I've forgotten or didn't recognize. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Nov 1, 2018 |
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Italy loves its lemon-lime drinks and there's plenty of competition. Personally, I'm fond of the Italian lemon soda called Lemonsoda (seriously).
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Expect My Mom posted:I was referring to one piece actually One Piece actually spends very little time on boats. When the story stalls, it's always on an island.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:A year?! The man murdered Keicho! I assume the murder couldn't be proven, only some of the petty thefts.
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Willsun posted:JoJo is like breathing air to me so no Sex Pistols can control 6 bullets at once. Plus it can be used to scout, which Emperor can’t be.
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The question of who the guy who saved Josuke was gets revisited in one of the light novels (The Book: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 4th Another Day). The LN's new anti-hero character offers to Josuke to figure out who it was using his memory powers, and even raises the possibility that Josuke went back in time to save himself, but Josuke says he doesn't want to know who it really was.
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Silver2195 posted:The question of who the guy who saved Josuke was gets revisited in one of the light novels (The Book: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 4th Another Day). The LN's new anti-hero character offers to Josuke to figure out who it was using his memory powers, and even raises the possibility that Josuke went back in time to save himself, but Josuke says he doesn't want to know who it really was. By the way, I recommend The Book. It's a bit unlike the manga/anime tonally (it feels more like an early Nasuverse story in some ways), but it works well as the kind of story it is. There's no Part 5 spoilers in it either.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I mean, Jojo IS wacky random bullshit but its not bad wacky random bullshit. I think a big part of this is the detailed art style and the general use of realistic detail to ground the absurdity. Xibanya has made some interesting points about the difference between Jojo and something like Dragon Ball, where absurdity is the default and almost nothing is meant to be taken very seriously. FirstAidKite posted:I do appreciate that his style of writing fights seems to heavily rely on writing the characters into a corner and finding a way for them to get out again though, but more controlled than that obviously Oh yeah. An important aspect of this is the way he often writes both participants in a fight into corners without having a fixed structure to it, instead of the Fairy Tail approach where the protagonist is the one losing until they turn things around at the very last second, or the Bleach approach where whoever uses their full power first loses.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I do think this is something that he grew into, and creating stands was a big part of it. It's Hamon (or better yet, the Ripple), not Hamoan. And while I won't claim everything involving the Ripple in Part 2 makes perfect sense, I didn't have a problem with the Eisidisi conclusion (assuming you mean the rope trick).
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Mel Mudkiper posted:speaking of Phantom Blood's super hard left turn I wonder what it was like for jump readers when it first started I always wondered that too. It would be neat if someone dug up old Japanese Usenet posts to find out, assuming there even was a Japanese Usenet community discussing shonen manga back then.
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I do appreciate that Stroheim outright murders innocent people in his introduction, foreclosing “clean Wehrmacht”-style defenses of him...but a lot of fans forget about that, and I suspect Araki may have forgotten about it too.
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There is also an amusing irony involving the Nazis in Battle Tendency, which unfortunately revolves around a bit of narration that's omitted from the anime. The narrator talks about how the Nazis believed that Germans were "more evolved" than other humans and therefore had the right to crush everybody else. In other words, according to Stroheim's own theoretical beliefs, Kars is completely in the right.
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FirstAidKite posted:Also phantom blood opens up with a blood sacrifice using the mask so it was always clear it was going to be supernatural and was never something out of left field True in the manga but not the anime, IIRC.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Given Joseph has Japanese family and his daughter lives in Japan, it's entirely plausible that he knows how to speak Japanese fairly well. The treatment of language barriers in Jojo is a bit odd. I assume everyone is speaking English in Part 3 and Japanese in Part 4, and there's a good explanation for Koichi knowing Italian in Part 5, but the way everyone understands each other in Part 2 makes no sense.
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Darth Walrus posted:I dunno, I'd say that JoJo does tend to be more queer-coded than the works it draws much of its inspiration from (like Hollywood horror and action movies) - it de-emphasises heterosexual romance and emphasises male bonding and friendship much harder even before you get to the gazey fashion-magazine aesthetic. It's certainly not an overtly gay show, but I can definitely see it as intentionally but covertly homoerotic. Reminds me a lot of those old books by gay authors that trod extremely lightly around the censors (and diligently presented overt gay relationships as awful/tragic/just a phase, even while going on for paragraph after paragraph about the protagonist's incredibly close friendship with his incredibly handsome best friend), even if there's no way to guess what Araki and his editors' actual motivations were for creating the manga as it is. IIRC, Araki has stated that he didn’t intend Part 5 to be homoerotic, but that when people pointed it out to him, he realized that it was pretty homoerotic.
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DrManiac posted:so did araki forget that stands not having mirror worlds is a key part of the hanged man fight? I assumed it was a deliberate jokey callback. Like Superfly being a tower because Tower of Gray was a fly.
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Expect My Mom posted:[points to the news] This is actually probably where the anime writers got the idea; the original manga doesn't have Fugo's flashback, just Illuso's summary of Fugo's past, leaving Fugo's reasons for beating the professor unexplained.
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FirstAidKite posted:Honestly the only thing about Giorno's actions that bother me in this fight are that the damage reflection didn't seem to occur. Or maybe you can reason that it did and that the intense pain he was in was at least a little bit because of the fact that he just poked a hole into a snake. I'm going with my theory that Giorno lost the reflection ability as a side effect of improving his control over the animals.
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CJ posted:I'm gonna say Gold Experience isn't internally consistent. Obviously the Doylist reason is "Araki forgot" (deliberately or otherwise), but that doesn't mean you can't come up with a more or less coherent Watsonian reason.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Speaking of which, how did Akira find out about Time Stop? I assume Keicho Nijimura told him about it. The real question is how Keicho found out about...pretty much everything. Maybe he interrogated Dio's surviving minions; none of them actually saw Jotaro stop time, but Daniel D'Arby probably suspected Jotaro of stopping time before he actually developed the time stop.
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Stairmaster posted:darbys brain dead I don't think he's brain dead. He went nuts for a bit, but he probably got over it eventually.
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Momomo posted:That never made sense to me since Thoth is still Boingo and thus it's still him drawing the comic. Rohan is one of those guys that doesn't consider digital art to be real art. Thoth is an Automatic Stand. It’s outside of Boingo’s control, or at least his conscious control.
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CJ posted:Aah, yes. When there is a discrepancy in who is getting affected by a superpower the changes in body temperature between men and women due to the difference in body fat is my immediate thought. Is that even true? If so then shouldn't fat people not be affected either? Grateful Dead is one of those things in Jojo that you probably shouldn’t overthink, but my assumption is that the bad guys were OK with fat people being unaffected because everyone on Bruno’s team is in good shape anyway.
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Vookatos posted:I really hope somebody in mafia decided that they need a turtle with that specific stand, so now Italy is full of superpowered turtles that can shoot spikes, sing real loud or spawn bridges. Araki has acknowledged in an interview that Part 5 is pretty homoerotic, even though he didn't consciously intend it to be.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:But he made two characters a gay couple notorious for sneaking away to bang. Sorbet and Gelato are not exactly major characters.
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Arist posted:We haven't yet gotten to either the part that's memetically confusing or the part that's way more confusing than even that. Yeah.
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I decided to make playlists based on the JoJo parts and their many musical references. Here's the one for Diamond is Unbreakable: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3rybu5zeA9KUoBMrc9Nd0g Any suggestions? I'm unfamiliar with many of the bands/albums in question, so I'm open to recommendations of better songs to represent those. A few notes:
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Star Platinum posted:Just one, it creates life. There was also the redirection ability, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have it any more.
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Johnny Joestar posted:eh I consider the anime version of Part 1 a clear improvement on the manga, mainly because the Part 1 manga art style is not very good, and the Part 1 anime's faster pacing works well for what's something of a prologue to the series as a whole. The anime versions of Part 4 and Part 5 are also improvements in my opinion, in part because they were made with knowledge of where the story was going and thus connect things better. Part 2 is about on par, I guess. Part 3 is the only one that's strikes me as slightly worse in adaptation; there's too many episodes for the material, so some of the fights, like High Priestess, get stretched out too long, and Xibanya has pointed out that the anime misses some of the nuances of Jotaro's facial expressions, making him even more  .
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Expect My Mom posted:it def takes you longer to watch nine episodes than it does to read less than 50 chapters This is true, but 5 chapters per episode is a lot faster than the norm for shonen manga adaptations. Edit: And while those 3 panels from late Part 1 are great, a lot of the earlier Part 1 art is not. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Feb 6, 2019 |
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:So what're the odds of Giorno using this power as part of his normal repertoire and collecting skin samples of all his friends (and any available enemies) so he can produce new stands at will? Giorno's friends might not be OK with being cloned.
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Kawabata posted:Is there anything similar to the work of Araki around? The only animes/manga I've enjoyed as much as his are Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop. I didn't mind Death Note and the recent Devilman either but in terms of sheer creativity and acceptable-to-good writing I'm struggling to find anything else. Of course it may be because I'm an older goon (not really the target demographic) and I don't know the medium too well. Depends on what exactly you're like about Jojo, but if you're looking for a shonen manga/anime with some dark edges and creative uses of weird powers, I recommend Hunter x Hunter. Edit: Ninja'd.
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Kawabata posted:It's weird though because I don't mind Pokemon games at all but as soon as a literal elementary school kid with superpowers tries to take things seriously in any anime I'm like eeeehhhhh not for me. I think I have worms in my head. Is it kids fighting per se that you don't like, kids saving the world, or kids fighting against adults?
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