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I don't have strong feelings on the issue, it just seems like such a weird thing to argue about when three pages of discussion about how great Janet looked without her shirt would be obviously pushing it. Does it make any difference if Janet is technically an object?
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If you're mad that women are objectified (and I am too) then the solution is to stop objectifying women. It's not to start also objectifying men.
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Oct 22, 2018 15:25
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OctaviusBeaver posted:If you're mad that women are objectified (and I am too) then the solution is to stop objectifying women. It's not to start also objectifying men. No, it's to start exclusively objectifying men, HTH
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Oct 22, 2018 15:28
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Yeah, gotta tip the scales way the other way until the scorecard evens out.
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Oct 22, 2018 15:32
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the solution is to realize nobody gives a gently caress who you think is hot and stop trying to turn it into a conversation ya fuckin doinks If you wanna have a conversation about how bad it is that men are objectified on television then be patient for 100 years of shows where women are gross idiots and men are hot and sexy and subservient to their whims to pass so that your complaints seem fuckin' valid and not based on a gross desire to be part of the persecuted and if you wanna have a conversation about who you want to stick in what or rub what against who go join fanfiction.net or quotev or wattpad ANYWAY I have no idea how this season's going to end; I was expecting it to end with a reveal that they died and Michael and Janet are from the afterlife but we already been did that.
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Oct 22, 2018 16:12
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Whalley posted:I have no idea how this season's going to end; I was expecting it to end with a reveal that they died and Michael and Janet are from the afterlife but we already been did that.
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Oct 22, 2018 16:24
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qirex posted:I'm leaning towards "someone who shouldn't see it finds the manifesto and earth becomes completely hosed," because destroying the earth would be totally in line for this show.
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Oct 22, 2018 16:27
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Whalley posted:You're right, Michael inadvertently causing the apocalypse is super on theme with everything else we've seen. Also on theme: All of this happening in the next episode.
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Oct 22, 2018 16:34
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Me reading this thread rn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb7D_QWYOyo&t=56s
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Oct 22, 2018 16:37
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Xelkelvos posted:Also on theme: All of this happening in the next episode.
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Oct 22, 2018 16:38
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qirex posted:I'm leaning towards "someone who shouldn't see it finds the manifesto and earth becomes completely hosed," because destroying the earth would be totally in line for this show. Season 4 is Michael and Janet trying to rebuild the world after Shawn destroy’s it?
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Oct 22, 2018 16:50
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They can just reset the timeline if that happens, but also I don't think someone would find the manifesto and automatically think it was a real thing, I guess unless the person who finds it already suspected something was supernatural about Michael. I think endgame will be something along the lines of "the real Good Place is the one we make for ourselves".
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Oct 22, 2018 16:59
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Season 4 sees the six of them in charge of running the rehab Good Places as a proof-of-concept that the Good Place should lay claim to every possible redeemable soul.
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Oct 22, 2018 17:03
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Someone who is actually in the journalism department is gonna find it and publish it with Janet's extremely thorough data included and it probably has verifiable and corroborating bits of info in it that no one else would know
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Oct 22, 2018 17:14
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Argue posted:I think endgame will be something along the lines of "the real Good Place is the one we make for ourselves". Have you been sneaking magnets again?
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Oct 22, 2018 17:35
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I'm thinking that at some point the four humans will be let into the Good Place, positions fully earned, no strings attached. And it turns out that the Good Place also sucks. So they're still not done.
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Robot Hobo posted:I'm thinking that at some point the four humans will be let into the Good Place, positions fully earned, no strings attached. I can totally see cliques/classes based on their final scores.
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CrimsonAuthor posted:I can totally see cliques/classes based on their final scores. Same, but also porn habits
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Robot Hobo posted:I'm thinking that at some point the four humans will be let into the Good Place, positions fully earned, no strings attached. I can see them getting up to the Good Place and having it be boring or full of lovely people, then they contribute a season to fixing the Good Place or the system, whatever.
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Oct 22, 2018 18:20
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Argue posted:They can just reset the timeline if that happens, but also I don't think someone would find the manifesto and automatically think it was a real thing, I guess unless the person who finds it already suspected something was supernatural about Michael.
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My only guess is that Simone finds the manifesto. I'm really interested in where her character goes next. They're dealing with Tahani's ties, so I imagine they'll deal with Simone and Pillboy soon. I also hope we see more cross-cast interactions now. It's almost been pretty much Eleanor-Chidi and Tahani-Jason this season, which is fine, but let's mix it up again. Hearing Eleanor refer to Tahani by name near the end was weird since it feels like forever since she's done that.
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Oct 22, 2018 19:35
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Robot Hobo posted:And it turns out that the Good Place also sucks. "Welcome to the Good Place...welcome to Florida!"
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Doltos posted:I can see them getting up to the Good Place and having it be boring or full of lovely people, then they contribute a season to fixing the Good Place or the system, whatever. I'm pretty convinced they'll get there eventually. "The Good Place" isn't all that great, because Hell is Other People and whatnot.
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RBA Starblade posted:"Welcome to the Good Place...welcome to Florida!" This reminds me of a road trip my family took to Florida a couple years ago. We drove through Alabama and entered Florida on US 231. I always try to take a quick picture of the first big Welcome To _____ sign I see if I'm the passenger in the car. So, I see the one for Florida, and below the main sign is another sign that says that there's a replica of that sign just inside the Welcome Center. So, naturally, we went to the welcome center, and that's where we had our picture taken. I thought it was thoughtful, convenient, safe, and good. As we pulled away, I looked, and there was a family of idiots pulled just barely off the road, taking pictures next to the sign that had a nice, safe replica away from the main road. One of them was even pointing, and the sign they were pointing to was the one that told them about the replica sign inside the nearby center. I'm sure they didn't notice this because, again, they were idiots. That's how I know that Florida is a Bad Place masquerading as a Good Place. At least, that was my first clue. The rest of the clues were the interior of Florida, minus the NASA tour. The beach was nice, though.
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Phenotype posted:It's very simple, I think. How would you react if one of the actresses had a scene where she took her top off and walked around shirtless for a while, and tons of people started posting about how turned on they were? I think that would be pretty obviously gross. It shouldn't be any less gross just because it's a man that did it. OctaviusBeaver posted:If you're mad that women are objectified (and I am too) then the solution is to stop objectifying women. It's not to start also objectifying men. There's a huge chasm of difference between "that woman is very attractive" and "I'd hit that." Between "holy poo poo, Chidi is JACKED," and doing some of the gross fetishizing of black bodies a lot of white people tend to do.
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Oct 22, 2018 23:24
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Did Chidi's actor used to be a fat guy? He's got the saggy nipples that fat dudes get.
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Oct 23, 2018 01:24
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Kaedric posted:Did Chidi's actor used to be a fat guy? He's got the saggy nipples that fat dudes get.
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Oct 23, 2018 01:26
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I would say there is a contextual distinction in that Janet's sexy waitress outfit carries connotations of fetishized servility (the extreme endpoint of this trope being Hooters or maid cafes), whereas the delight at shirtless Chidi is mostly coupled with praise of how well he/Harper takes care of himself.
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Chidi is capable of any physicality which virtue might demand. He is truly committed to the philosophical life.
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LividLiquid posted:This position assumes men and women are treated equally. They aren't. It's less gross to admire a man's body to a television subforum because men aren't told from childhood that their looks are the only important thing about them. Hm, that's an interesting perspective that I hadn't considered, and I think I have to agree. Less gross because it's not reinforcing stereotypes and piling on. Supercar Gautier posted:I would say there is a contextual distinction in that Janet's sexy waitress outfit carries connotations of fetishized servility (the extreme endpoint of this trope being Hooters or maid cafes), whereas the delight at shirtless Chidi is mostly coupled with praise of how well he/Harper takes care of himself. I think this is overthinking it heavily, though. I definitely liked seeing Janet in the sexy waitress outfit, but "fetishized servility" wasn't anywhere on my mind, it was just "pretty lady showing off her curves." Sometimes jean shorts are just jean shorts.
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I think it’s pretty obvious that GreyjoyBastard posted:please do not make the thread creepy thank you Davros1 posted:So ... who do we petition to keep Janet in that waitress' uniform? Davros1 posted:So ... who do we petition to keep Janet in that waitress' uniform?
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I’m guessing the final scene of the entire series will be an old Elanore dying and then a close up of her young eyes opening and seeing the “Everything is fine” wall.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:I’m guessing the final scene of the entire series will be an old Elanore dying and then a close up of her young eyes opening and seeing the “Everything is fine” wall. Nah, that'll be the end of this season or something. The series will end with Michael taking his last breath and then waking up and seeing the "Everything is Fine" wall.
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Oct 23, 2018 23:51
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The season will end with the gang killing God and declaring themselves rulers of a fateless cosmos.
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Oct 24, 2018 01:11
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1stGear posted:The season will end with the gang killing God and declaring themselves rulers of a fateless cosmos. And the first rule is that everyone forking curses!
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Oct 24, 2018 03:31
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Pigasus posted:And the first rule is that everyone forking curses! This reminds me, I've started to find that my inner voice has started replacing "loving" with "forking" fairly regularly these days. Is this happening to anyone else?
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Oct 24, 2018 12:29
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Only if I binge the show, and even then, only temporarily. Binge-watching Deadwood has some disastrous side-effects for a week or so that you super need to keep in check. 
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Oct 24, 2018 22:33
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So I heard this show was pretty good and I started it last weekend. I'm caught up now and holymoly, what a ride. I love this show now, and the latest episode settled all my concerns for S3. 
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Listening to The Good Place podcast, I realize there must be some people in the Good Place for at least one more reason than those previously stated, since Michael comments that the most popular podcast there is Mozart and Jimmy Hendrix discussing music. Though frankly, the most popular one in the Bad Place, Stalin discussing The Bachelor sounds better and I've never even seen The Bachelor.
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