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I've been thinking, being pyschologically tortured, like in the fake Good Place, I think I could deal with that. But being physically tortured, like what's supposed to happen in the Bad Place, nuh-uh, no way! What do you think? Would you rather be physically or psychologically tortured?
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SirSamVimes posted:I feel like Michael operates under the "best lies involve truth mixed in" policy, so I don't think he lied about the actual system. After all, it's confirmed that his description of retirement was 100% accurate. We also don't know how much Bad Place demons like Michael actually know about the real Good Place. The fake Good Place he made might just be his idea of what it must be like. Like how he said he made up soul mates. Although I guess you could know who ends up there through logical deduction. If you know someone died on Earth, and you can't find them anywhere in the Bad Place, then they must have made it to the Good Place (except for Mindy)
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Nov 18, 2018 13:33
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What about, beginning to do good things because you think you will get a good afterlife, but then, once you have begun doing good, and it becomes a habit, and then forms your character, your motivations change so that you want to do good just for the sake of doing good? That seems to be Elanor's character arc. The only problem is if you only ever have selfish motivations, which is what doomed Tahani. I think, even if you have mixed motives, both selfish & selfless, you'd probably still be getting some good points for that.
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Nov 19, 2018 08:16
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I don't think it's even possible for human beings to be entirely selfless & not selfish at all, just due to our nature. If the Good Place is empty theory is true, that would probably be why. (which I don't think is the case, because of Mindy & the reasons previously mentioned)
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Nov 19, 2018 08:20
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Then it would be like the Inquisitor episode of Red Dwarf, where Rimmer & the Cat judge themselves to continue to exist, while Lister & Kryten judge themselves to be erased from history
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Nov 20, 2018 02:51
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When I saw the title, Janet(s), I thought, "Oh, we're going to see all the other Janets in the void." Haha, nope!
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Dec 7, 2018 12:54
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Another aspect of Doug Forcett, the guy you'd think would have the best chance of getting into the Good Place, due to his actually correct beliefs on how the afterlife works, he has no idea what the point value of different actions are, or even if they are positive or negative. He might have wasted his life doing deeds that only get a small amount of points, and missed out on doing things that gain you a lot of points. Like, living as a hermit may have prevented him losing points from bad interactions with people, but he's missed out on all the good he could have done for people as well. He may even have done things he thought would be gaining him points, that are actually losing him points instead. Like with the kid, Doug assumes he's getting points from 'keeping him happy' by doing whatever he wants. What if instead, he's been losing points because he's been helping that kid grow into a terrible person? Like, intentions are taken into account, but there seems to be a limit to that. Chidi spent his life intending to always do the 'right' thing, but is damned because his behaviour makes life a living hell for everyone around him, and he seems to not even be aware of that until Eleanor tells him they're actually in the Bad Place. Tahani also seems to have no self-awareness about her selfish motives until that revelation. So while doing good things won't get you points if you have the wrong motive, doing bad things without realising it, or doing bad things you think are good, either still loses you points, or, even your good intentions being taken into account, doesn't make enough of a difference to stop you from ending up in the Bad Place.
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Dec 8, 2018 10:26
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Gaz-L posted:I really, really want the whole cast of The Good Place to guest on the new season of Veronica Mars, but I know it would be distracting. I've been thinking about starting watching Veronica Mars just for more Kristen Bell. I never paid much attention to her until this show
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Dec 9, 2018 06:57
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Toast Museum posted:He's also against soup in general, I think. Mike Schur is full of weird bad food opinions. Maybe he grew up with a parent(s) that was a bad cook? Like, a lot of the food I thought I didn't like, turns out I do like it if it's cooked the way it's meant to be cooked. Turns out my mum was just a terrible cook.
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Dec 10, 2018 05:36
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Once you know how Emmy voting works, you can't get any more votes
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Dec 18, 2018 04:55
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Remember, the "Jeremy Bearimy" thing started as a parody of Mike Schur attempting to explain how time worked in the show, and getting all unnecessarily complicated. I think people are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Earth time is on one timeline, the afterlife is on another, that's all you need really. When the Judge decided to let the gang continue their lives, Michael entered earth's timeline at a particular point and changed history. Ok, sure, you could draw attention to the implications of that, like, does that mean earth's timeline was "rolled back" to that particular point, and souls were sucked out of the afterlife and back to earth, because they hadn't died yet? Or, what about that demon waiting for that particular guy to die, shouldn't he already be dead, because of the gang spending hundreds of years in the fake Good Place, shouldn't it be hundreds of years in the future? Well...if the show doesn't specifically address it, it ceases to be a problem!  Maybe a form of the "Doctor Who rule" should come into play? That is, only expect time travel to work consistently in whichever Dr Who story you're currently watching/reading/listening to. Don't try to make sense of how time travel is supposed to work across all the different Dr Who stories, you'll just give yourself a headache. "People in the Good Place can get worse" does seem like logical next step from "People in the Bad Place can get better." You can't kill anyone, obviously, because they are already dead, but can you cause them pain? Would physical pain be "switched off" like how there's both a "swearing filter" and a "hangover filter?" What if then people resort to psychological torture, so it ends up like the fake Good Place? Boredom, I guess, is the most obvious reason for people who spent their whole lives unselfishly doing good just for the sake of doing good, deciding to try evil. Curiosity as well, perhaps? I've been doing good my whole life, why not see what I was missing out on? I've already been judged, so they're won't be any bad consequences for me, so why not? You could, say, steal or vandalise someone else's property, and then marbelise your neighbourhood's Janet. Maybe someone from the neighbourhood has to go to the Janet Warehouse to get a new one, so you sabotage the train so no-one can leave, and it's all downhill from there. When the gang arrive in the real Good Place, there's no one there, and it looks abandoned. Maybe everyone now lives far apart from each other, boarded up in their homes, to get away from trolls. That's kinda like how CS Lewis describes Hell in his book, "The Great Divorce." Maybe Good Place people haven't gone evil, but are aloof, they're like in a gated community, interested only in their own affairs, and nothing outside of it. Maybe Good Place people were there in the beginning to set up the whole afterlife system in the caveman days, but no one stuck around to make sure it didn't get off track. Maybe someone just checks in every now and then to see how it's running, and things were going fine whenever they checked so they haven't bothered checking in for a while. So the last check in was just before 500 years ago maybe? Perhaps Accounting hasn't been hacked, but sean's been available on hand to give suggestions, but there hasn't been a Good Place person there to balance it out? But then we have to explain the Good Place's interest in Mindy St Claire. What if the Good Place representative from Mindy's video is Michael's twin? She knows that something has gone wrong with the system, but other Good Place people don't believe her. So she took on Mindy's case to draw attention to the problem, and hopefully fix it. Michael has our gang, she has Mindy!
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Dec 18, 2018 06:14
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I did assume humans in the afterlife can't "die", but Janets can be marbelised, and demons can be retired, so I guess it is possible there could be circumstances where a human could "double die" and have their soul obliterated from existence. With this show, who knows?
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Dec 18, 2018 06:19
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LividLiquid posted:Doctor Who, since the revival anyway, has been incredibly consistent with its rules of time travel. I'm pretty sure there's been episodes that break those rules though? Like, what about the Christmas Carol episode? The Doctor deliberately interferes with a dude's past, to change him from being a nasty person to a nice person. Outside of that episode, that sort of thing is usually not on, breaking the laws of time and all that. I haven't been keeping up with it though, last episode I saw was in the middle of Capaldi's last season.
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Dec 19, 2018 04:26
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Propaganda Machine posted:I'm getting the impression from this show that as well-thought-out as it is, it encourages the viewers to do some mental gymnastics to figure things out. I don't think this is a Well I do like that a lot of shows aren't that hand-holding these days, they respect your intelligence & ability to figure some things out without having it spelled out to you. Like, most sci fi shows now don't bother to explain to you what a parallel universe is, they assume the audience will already be familiar with that concept. You can definitely take it too far in that direction though. Like, when I first finished reading Douglas Adams's "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency" I went, "Huh? What? Where's the ending?" I had to read an article online to understand what happened.
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Dec 19, 2018 05:17
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where the script writes checks that it cannot cash, but there's definitely a sense of overanalysis going on here.
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Senor Tron posted:Yeah, a casual Australian viewer could not even realise it's an NBC Shoe, each episode even starts with a "Netflix Originals" card. Except for how the episodes come out weekly instead of the whole season being released all at once
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Dec 21, 2018 03:40
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bull3964 posted:That's because, up until recently, Netflix didn't have a production arm. Pretty much all Netflix original content is purchased from a production company for distribution rights just like any other show on any other network Why do they call it that? "Netflix Original" seems to imply they made it, rather than being made elsewhere & having the rights to it.
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Dec 22, 2018 06:15
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Did anyone else find that they kinda figured out the season 1 twist at the same time Elanor did? One of my sisters figured out early that "Tahani shouldn't be in the Good Place either" so I wondered if she would figure it out, but she didn't & came as a surprise (I also think she wasn't expecting a big twist, so that might have helped).
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swickles posted:I have a philosophy degree, and this is one of the best summations of Kant's ethics I have ever heard. It sounds kinda like a restatement of the golden rule, but avoids some of the problems that arise from that. Like, for instance, say I'm a masochist, does that mean I should go around kicking people in the balls, because I like getting kicked in the balls? Instead, we think, "well, what would the world look like if everyone kicked each other in the balls?" Well, the human race might go extinct from no new babies being born due to testicular injuries. So if I think it's good for the human race to continue, I won't do that then.
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