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Renaissance Spam
Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*


Argue posted:

I was wondering if that guy, or the lady who told Chidi not to eat blueberries, were bad place reps, but it looks like they hadn't found the humans or couldn't reach them until Michael started nudging them (giving their hacker an in into the judge's system), which he only started doing after they backslid.

Ah, but they were specifically looking for the 4 specific humans; if we're gonna get Good Omens-y who's to say the Bad Place hasn't been sneaking agents onto earth to make sure they continue to dominate the scoreboard? I mean seriously if you were to tell me that Squalor News twit was a Bad Place rep I would agree in an instant.

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Renaissance Spam
Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*


The_Doctor posted:

Holt’s a lucky guy.

That sweet half smile he gave to Holt when the squad made them that romantic dinner made me melt.

Renaissance Spam
Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*



It's been said before but the recognition of Eleanor of Jason's garbage being directly tied to Florida was great.

I really like how Eleanor and Jason have this kindred spirit energy going on throughout the series, like they're both utter trashbags and no matter how stupid Jason is Eleanor just kind of accepts it because of her own crap.

Yes he's a liability in season 1 but even at the most dire moments there's this sense that Eleanor "gets it" and it's more an issue of protecting him from himself than any real "who you are is WRONG".

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Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*


The_Doctor posted:

I suddenly had the thought that Eleanor might sleep with Jason this season, as they share that trashbag vibe, and Chidi’s got his own thing going on with Simone. Maybe Jason will get a job as a mailman or something.

My Eleanor/Tahani ship is aiming to broadside you but yeah I could see this.

Renaissance Spam
Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*


The_Doctor posted:

Wait... Trevor.

Oh you monster...

Renaissance Spam
Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*


LividLiquid posted:

This show stresses me out the same way watching improv comedy does. They paint themselves into corners seemingly impossible to get out of and it looks, for all the world, like they're about to retread or jump the shark constantly, because surely none of this will work, but they stick the landing every. Single. Time.

I genuinely thought they'd milk Trevor for at least 2 episodes and...drat.

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Jun 5, 2010

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Senor Tron posted:

That's actually what stood out to me as well.

Here's a worrying thought, on Earth Michael and Janet are mortal right? Is there any way they can accumulate good points given they know the rules?

Wait wait wait...

What if the metaphysics of the show are actually Dualist?

What if there is no "bad place", merely different layers of the material realm overseen by a cold bureaucracy that decides when a person has accumulated enough punishment/good deeds that they go up a "level" or down depending on how they've responded?

Renaissance Spam
Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*


Regy Rusty posted:

In the way the system works there are two components to getting in and Chidi and Tahani are examples of people who fulfill one but not the other.

You have to both do good things that help other people more than hurt them and you have to do so selflessly and not for some kind of personal gain.

So Chidi wants to do good and behave ethically for its own sake, but he's so indecisive that he never takes action and often hurts the people he cares about.

Tahani on the other hand has the resources to do tremendous amounts of good for the world but she doesn't actually care about the people she's helping. She just wants to be praised and recognized.

The system is not a good or fair one but it's mostly consistent. The whole point of the show is that such a reductive definition of what it means to be good doesn't give people with personal issues they struggle to overcome any real leeway. And that applies to all four of our humans.

This does raise and interesting question regarding secularism vs religion; does a person doing a good act because it's the right thing to do get more points than someone doing it because it's a tenet of their faith?

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Jun 5, 2010

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double nine posted:

All you need to know about Kamilah is shown when Emmy Nominated actor Ted Danson saves Tahani at the start of the reboot - she instantly and completely basks in the adoration for saving her sister, which she knows is false. The cherry is when she does the fake modesty "it was nothing really".

Yeah up until that moment I kinda felt Kamila might actually be a good person who was aware of how much her talent influenced those around her and simply tried to be creative and give people what they want but that moment basically said everything; she's a narcissistic monster who unlike Tahani who just desperately wants approval is completely aware of how amazing she is and laps it up.

Bad place for sure. She's gonna be in a room where everything she does is considered mediocre and derivative.

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Jun 5, 2010

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SirSamVimes posted:

My favourite thing about the "It's devastating. You're devastated right now." is that it strongly implies that Michael was devastated when Eleanor used it on him.

Oh drat I never thought of that.

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Jun 5, 2010

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I'll admit I wasn't the biggest fan of last episode (I genuinely wanted to see the study and how the gang were going to interact this time around without bad place baggage) but this episode completely salvaged this season and I'm so stoked to see what happens next now that everyone is on the same page.

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Jun 5, 2010

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Harrow posted:

I think the difference is that Chidi isn't faced with a universe that is indifferent to him. He's faced with a universe in which he doesn't just not know his future--he knows for a fact that he is doomed and nothing he can do could ever possibly change that. It's harder to turn to existential self-determination when you don't just know that you're in an indifferent universe, but that you're in a universe that isn't indifferent at all, but that your own fate is sealed.

Yeah I mean it's fine to quote foucault and sartre when you have no knowledge of what is coming but want to still have some sense of direction, but when you know "here's what's coming and you're hosed" it definitely kills any urge to strive for greater meaning.

I do think it's interesting that Chidi went for Nietzche though because one thing Nietzche kept pushing was "sure, nihilism, but you have to embrace the suck and continue to strive", which works well with Eleanor's revelation. A self created purpose to make other people's lives better even though it's not gonna do crap for yourself isn't a bad way to embrace nihilism while still trying to be "good".

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Jun 5, 2010

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Accretionist posted:

Here's two angles I like:
  • Maybe we're busywork and The Bad Place is for bad immortals?
  • Maybe immortals are scored and he wants into The Good Place? Help us for right action. Befriend us to create right intention?

I've been playing around with idea; namely that the bad place immortals are actually humans and this is all a "second level" of life where the sadistic bastards just stay there but those who question the system eventually move up the ladder towards whatever level 3 is.

Renaissance Spam
Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*


Senor Tron posted:

I still keep coming back to the demons who insisted Chidi was someone they had worked with centuries earlier.

Jeremy Bearimy would make this feasible.

Of course then there's the question of why Chidi would be calling himself Trent.

I think this is because when someone goes Demon their memory is wiped (not sure about physical changes like the fire people and nightmare slugs, although they could just legitimately be aliens).

I think it could be really interesting if that's season 4 and everyone becomes a happy torture monkey except Eleanor and she has to become the ethical teacher while Michael and Janet are off in some Kafka-esque bureaucratic storyline trying to get them out of it.

Which of course would last 3 episodes max.

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Jun 5, 2010

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swickles posted:

Also, its totally believable that a bad place demon in a white man suit would think all black people look alike.

Oh absolutely; at this point I'm just blue sky theorizing and as has been said because it's a fan theory it's likely wrong.

Although saying that I really REALLY want to see William Jackson Harper go full rear end in a top hat Chidi; peeps chili Chidi was just a taste I want to see him with the brakes off!

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Renaissance Spam
Jun 5, 2010

Can it wait a for a bit? I'm in the middle of some *gyrations*


Whalley posted:

Letterkenny is in rural Canada, and this show constantly surprises me in unexpected ways, so I'm calling that instead of going to see Doug, they're bouncing to Modines and meeting up with Dery because why not at this point

Not gonna happen but I would be so stoked if they did a Good Place/Letterkenny crossover.

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