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QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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NecroMonster posted:

I've said it before. The "good place people" set up the rules this way so no one would ever go to the good place and they would never have to do any work of any kind. The place isn't empty because the rules are dumb, the rules are dumb to keep the place empty.

I'm not sure this is right because we know the Good Place fought to get Mindy St. Claire and only begrudgingly accepted the Medium Place deal.

Thematically, I think it's better if everyone in the afterlife has good intentions but never stopped to question the system. They just assume that because it has always been there, it must be working, ignoring that 99% of humanity is suffering for all eternity because they didn't fluke into a Good Point boon like Mindy or grow up in an environment where good behavior was encouraged.

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QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Also, every time Eleanor tries to be a good person the world smacks her down and laughs at her misfortune.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Renaissance Spam posted:

This does raise and interesting question regarding secularism vs religion; does a person doing a good act because it's the right thing to do get more points than someone doing it because it's a tenet of their faith?

More on that, is an act "selfless" (as the Good Place wants) if you do it because it makes you feel good or it alleviates a sense of pity? What if an act is done out of instinct, without thought? What if it allows you to maintain a mutually beneficial relationship with someone else?

These are common ethical questions, questions that the show are raising through Tahani and others.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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It’s been said but Chidi is distractingly buff.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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So, Doug is screwed because he's doing good deeds for points and not out of a selfless desire to do good, right?

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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I doubt that the person who got into the Good Place 521 years ago is a real, historical person but looking at deaths in 1497 does bring up this person whose life sounds like Doug Forcett as a medieval nun.

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Having no formal education, she attempted, unsuccessfully, to teach herself to read.[1] While making this effort one night, it is said that the Virgin Mary appeared to Veronica, telling her that while some of her pursuits were necessary, her reading was not. Instead, the Virgin taught her in the form of three mystical letters:

The first signified purity of intention; the second, abhorrence of murmuring or criticism; the third, daily meditation on the Passion. By the first she learned to begin her daily duties for no human motive, but for God alone; by the second, to carry out what she had thus begun by attending to her own affairs, never judging her neighbor, but praying for those who manifestly erred; by the third she was enabled to forget her own pains and sorrows in those of her Lord, and to weep hourly, but silently, over the memory of His wrongs.

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Veronica became accustomed to nearly constant apparitions and religious ecstasies. She saw scenes from the life of Christ, yet these never interrupted her work.[3] She joined an Augustinian lay order at the convent of Saint Martha in Milan at the age of 22.[1] This community was very poor; Veronica's job was to beg in the streets of the city for food.[3] After three years into her vocation as a nun she became racked with secret bodily pains, but was notably patient and obedient to her superiors.[3] She received a vision of Christ in 1494, and was given a message for Pope Alexander VI, and traveled to Rome to deliver it.[1] After a six-month illness, Veronica died on the date she had predicted, 13 January 1497.

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Veronica is remembered in the Augustinian Order for her obedience and desire for work. Butler records a remark she made to her sister nuns: "I must work while I can, while I have time."

She's the only person on the Wikipedia page of 1497 deaths who seems even close to a candidate for the Good Place.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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CapnAndy posted:

The system is inherently unjust, and it needs to be completely overthrown.

Well, killing God would be the perfect segue into Nietzsche.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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I guess Chidi’s torture was being given a perfect little apartment that he could never spend any time in because he was constantly being enlisted to help other people?

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Hey, the New York Times posted Tahani's obituary.

https://twitter.com/emilynussbaum/status/1097263199819386880

quote:

Lee Radziwill, the free-spirited former princess who shared the qualities of wealth, social status and ambition with her older sister, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, but who struggled as an actor, decorator and writer to share her sister’s aura of success, died on Friday at her home in Manhattan. She was 85.

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It cannot have been easy living in the shadow of one of the world’s most famous women, the wife of President John F. Kennedy, and Mrs. Radziwill was hardly immune to competitive instincts. [...] Like Jackie, she had cultivated passions for painting, music, dance and poetry. She made several attempts for professional recognition, but achieved only pale reflections of the spotlight on her sister.

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In a brief telephone interview for this obituary, Mrs. Radziwill scoffed at the notion that she had had an affair with Mr. Onassis [Jackie's husband], and insisted that she had “no regrets, none at all,” about her relationship with her sister, which was widely reported to have been strained after Mrs. Kennedy married Mr. Onassis.

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Lee grew up in the shade of her sister, who was nearly four years older and was her father’s favorite and an accomplished equestrian. [...] Her teachers at Miss Porter’s found her bright and imaginative, but her grades were average, whereas her sister was remembered as a star.

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QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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silvergoose posted:

Well I tried out russian doll in the exact same way I started watching the good place: watch the last episode of the first season as my introduction.

Ohhhhh, this is the Bad Place.

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