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21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
If there's going to be a dark twist with the actual Good Place, my idea is that it's actually cessation of existence, run on a cult-like philosophy that life is bad. So all of the Good Place employees are just in charge of cheerfully (and forcefully) directing humans into a machine that erases souls. That'd make for a pretty good "out of the frying pan, into the fire" moment.

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21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

LividLiquid posted:

This show is always an exercise in writing yourself into a corner and then being a goddamn magician about getting yourself out of it, but this really feels like the final arc.

The logical end to this story as it's been told so far is that The Brainy Bunch does good for the rest of the season despite knowing they'll never get in the good place, a good place representative reading the manifesto, and them being let into the good place. Series over.

...unless, of course, that's exactly what Eleanor is going for, and/or the system in charge of the afterlife is really unfair and thinks the manifesto is dumb.

21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

OctaviusBeaver posted:

If you're mad that women are objectified (and I am too) then the solution is to stop objectifying women. It's not to start also objectifying men.

No, it's to start exclusively objectifying men, HTH

21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

pwn posted:

That slapstick gag at the start of the show was violently out of place. It took me several minutes to get back into the episode. The whole VR memory thing is a bit of a stretch that can be glossed over. Losing all your hair and spitting out teeth, only to “recover” a few minutes later, is straight Looney Tunes poo poo that has no place on Earth

Other than that, it was really good.

Huh, that didn't really take me out of the episode, but your reaction here is very similar to my reaction to the monster taxi a couple of weeks ago; kind of ruined that episode for me (which is a shame because I otherwise liked the Jason plot) and did some serious damage to my engagement with the season as a whole. I really liked this episode, but I see what you mean about that gag; I think it's part of a larger problem where staying on Earth is making the writers antsy to keep the wacky fantastical over-the-top comedy going, but it's really clashing with the distinction between the real world and the non-real-world that the series stayed in for most of the first two seasons. I think the first symptom of this was the Americana-themed restaurant; it was really funny, but it was also written exactly the same way that the fake Good Place's gag businesses were written in seasons one and two - actually probably a fair bit sillier. At the time, I laughed off the bit with the "real" gun and assumed it was just Chidi being naive and jumpy, but in retrospect, given some of the jokes that have happened since then, I think it was just meant to be taken at face value.

Assuming that we don't get some kind of huge bombshell twist that this was really a fake Earth (which would admittedly be awesome and classic Good Place), I definitely think that this season has been a big step down in quality from the first season and certainly the second season, which is really too bad because for the most part it's just as good; it's exploring such interesting ground in terms of character development and thematic development, but it just has so many nagging completely unnecessary suspension-of-disbelief-piercing moments that seem to come from the writers not knowing how to handle so much Earth. I don't remember any problems like that in the first two seasons.

21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

emgeejay posted:

it's also got a demon in it (just like the show!!)

All the demons!

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21 Muns
Dec 10, 2016

by FactsAreUseless
Partway through the season, I was thinking the show was going downhill, but I'm all aboard again; the last few episodes (and particularly the finale) have been on point. Some of the Chidi/Eleanor scenes in this episode were the most impressed I've been by sad romance onscreen in years, and earlier in the season I'd thought that plotline was weak and dragging the show down. Really looking forward to season four in the fall. Awesome show! :)

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