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Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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With this show's ability to turn even mundane things into gold, I kind of want an episode explaining how Michael managed to do everything he did on Earth.

The doorman explained that he's powerless on Earth, and only has the abilities available to any normal human. He still managed to travel all over the world, pay for travel arrangements for Jason, get costumes and props, and a bunch of other background things to make this all work. He did all of that despite presumably being dropped into one place with just the clothes on his back.

What I'm saying is, nevermind Chidi, I want Michael to be my life coach.

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Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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Hawkgirl posted:

Seems to me he still gets to be his brilliant all-knowing self and simply predicts exactly what the humans need as a push in the right direction.

Which makes the “didn’t see any other posters, eh?” gag about Jason my very favorite. Jason Mendoza: too dumb to manipulate properly.
You may be right. I was just assuming the quasi-omniscience fell into the "powers" category that he doesn't have on Earth. He'd still have crazy amounts of knowledge about the four humans personally, because he's been observing and interacting with them daily for decades, but no magic knowledge of anything else whole he's there.

Either way though, you're right about Jason. Michael may or may not have quasi-omniscient magical knowledge about Jason, and definitely does have decades of personal observation of his behavior, plus millennia of general experience as a demon, yet Jason still proves too dumb and/or random to be manipulated reliably.

I think Jason is going to be the key to foiling whatever plan the Bad Place is trying to throw at them. No plan, mundane or diabolical, can survive Jason Mendoza being a part of it.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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So the ability to summon knowledge and items from nowhere is a 'superpower' that Janet loses when on Earth, and from what Michael said, it seems that a demon's supreme deception skills are also a 'superpower' in the same way. But Trevor... he really just is that awful, right down to the core. Being stuck with only the powers of a regular mortal didn't slow him down even a little.

Noise Machine posted:

Someone on reddit pointed out the misspelling and Chidi not being able to find the outside may have been allusions to Plato's Cave.
In any show besides this or maybe The Venture Bros, I would say that's just a silly fan theory, and too much of a stretch to be true.

But yeah, I'm totally willing to believe that here.

Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Oct 5, 2018

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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double nine posted:

I don't know, Michael's inability to deceive might be because he is an fallen/ascended demon and the ethics get in the way of lying.
In his conversation with Janet he did respond to her complaint about her powers not working on Earth by pointing out that he couldn't lie very well once he got there... but it could be that he's just wrong about the reason why. I'm not sure if an angel has ever un-fallen before in the show's mythology, and Janet may not be able to look that up for him now, so he may not have any frame of reference.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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The Lord Bude posted:

There's this new food truck near me that serves soft serve ice cream; but the cone is a donut.
"And if you gaze long into 'Merica, 'Merica also gazes into you."

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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Doltos posted:

Jeff owns I want an entire show about Jeff
It would just be a half-hour each week of Jeff playing Battletoads on a NES, with the happiest smile on his face the entire time.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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Phenotype posted:

You misunderstand. Megatron was the name that he wanted Trevor to call him.
This is Jason we're talking about. I think, somehow, it still counts.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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The_Doctor posted:

I feel bad, but I’d eat the landfill fries on that menu.
The Landfill Fries are the thing on that menu that you could have just told me was on the menu of a real restaurant, maybe an indie BBQ place, and I would have never questioned it. If Guy Fieri had it on the menu at one of his restaurants, he'd have added at least three more ingredients.

The tuna lollipops though... Those sound pretty good. I'd order that.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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I'm thinking that at some point the four humans will be let into the Good Place, positions fully earned, no strings attached.

And it turns out that the Good Place also sucks. So they're still not done.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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I love that Pillboi is both his name and his legitimate job title.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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I think the most solid sign that the whole judgement system is broken is the fact that these four people shouldn't ever have ended up in the same place to begin with. There's two basic questions at play, and each character represents one of the extreme answers.

Question 1: Which matters, intent or results?

Chidi has devoted his entire life, every waking moment, to the pursuit of being the most ethical person he can be, and purely because he sees it as the right thing to do... But his indecision has stopped him from doing anything useful with that. Good intent, bad result. Damned.

Tahani has spent her life working with charities, raising money to help the needy, and bringing attention to social and environmental issues. She's probably actually helped millions of people in at least some way... But she did all of it for the attention, and in an effort to spite her Sister. Bad intent, good result. Damned.

Question 2: Do you need to be aware of how your actions affect the world and people around you for it to count as a truly "bad" act?

Jason does bad poo poo constantly, maybe even by Floridian standards, but is utterly oblivious to the very concept of consequences. He's a total sweetheart when it comes to the few personal situations that he actually comprehends, which shows that he does care. Damned.

Elanor has spent her life fully aware of how much she hurts everyone she comes in contact with, and simply did not give a poo poo. She's always first to label herself as a trash-bag, no delusion to the contrary. Of the four, she's the one who doesn't even bother questioning why she's in the Bad Place. Damned.

It would feel like finding a balance right in the middle of those extremes would be the only way into the Good Place, but Mindy St. Claire is our closest (and only) example of that, and she confused the system badly enough that they had to make her an entirely new place.

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

we are not given an indication that very many people end up in the Good Place
So far we only have the word of demons and a couple neutral entities to go on that the good place even exists. We've yet to see the place, or anyone actually from there, and as far as we know none of these beings has actually been there to see for themselves. The very existence of a Good Place could just be the celestial equivalent of an urban legend.

Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Oct 28, 2018

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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Gobbeldygook posted:

No, we also saw a representative from the Good Place in Mindy St. Clair's orientation video.
I had forgotten about that. Still, we saw quite a few representatives of the Good Place throughout season one, but all the rest turned out to be fake. We also don't know that all of the things Michael knows to be true are actually true. I wouldn't trust my marginally human bosses at my office to tell me the truth about anything, and Michael's bosses are literally demons from Hell.

"Our" Janet is the wildcard here, but Janets were presumably created by someone with an agenda of some sort. Who knows if her info is all good? Michael managed to get her to go along with his own lies in season one, so it's not like what she says must always be 100% factual.

navyjack posted:

The existence of the Good Place Janet warehouse argues against this, not that such a minor detail is a definite argument. I tend toward the “The Good Place exists but it sucks” theory.
Wasn't Michael able to get into the warehouse because it was in neutral territory, outside the Good Place itself?

Honestly, I'm also expecting a reveal that the Good Place exists, but isn't as great as advertised. Or is nearly empty. But the alternative seems plausible too.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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nerdman42 posted:

I really wanted Michael to be gushing about a horrible airport experience.
That was the "Randy 'The Macho Man' Savage" Non-International airport that they arrived in. How could Michael have a horrible airport experience there? Impossible.

Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Oct 29, 2018

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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pwn posted:

I like what someone said earlier: The reason Doug or anyone else isn’t getting in, is because no one does...
Of course, Mindy/The Medium Place seemingly nullifies this whole cockamamie theory.
I thought about this the other day. Mindy loved her exciting life of big business, cocaine parties, and wild sex. When she died, she was stuck in a suburb-rear end house, utterly alone. It's a bland, boring place, with neither the coke or people needed for drug-fueled orgies.

The Medium Place could be her personal Hell, despite looking like a step-up for other people.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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pwn posted:

While that is a salient point, so too is the objective fact that the absence of Butthole Spiders is preferable to Butthole Spiders, owing to not having spiders coming out of your butthole. They’re enormous
Oh, I'm not saying Mindy's situation couldn't be much worse. We've seen there are different tiers of torture in The Bad Place, I'm just suggesting that she could have been lied to about exactly where her last-moment influx of good points shifted her to. It could be that Mindy was previously locked in for the Butthole Spider tier of the afterlife, and her unexpected charity work really did bump her up out of Butthole-Spider-class torment, but the lie is that her "Medium Place" wasn't just another neighborhood in the Bad Place.

Sean seems pretty confident that they'll be getting Doug into the Bad Place. I feel that if good-point champ Doug doesn't have a guaranteed spot in Heaven, then Mindy sure as gently caress didn't fall just a few points short of getting herself in.

Think of Mindy as maybe a pilot program for the psychological torture experiment. How horrible would it be to be told that you ALMOST made it into the Good Place, leaving you to linger forever alone in limbo, knowing every moment that any one teeny action you could have taken in your life that added even a couple good points might have tipped the scales and gotten you a ticket to eternal bliss?

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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BioEnchanted posted:

To be fair, at least it's presented as Michael explaining it to himself rather than to the rest of the cast - it's stuff any human already figured out ... it's the audience watching (effectively) an alien figure it out.
When he explains his revelation to the four humans, I'd expect three of them to nod and say that makes sense, and Chidi to start screaming "That's what I've been telling you all this time, dumbass!"

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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ashpanash posted:

if you don’t get into the good place, you’re tortured.
By bees with penises.

Shawn invented those.

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Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

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mcbexx posted:

Maybe Chidi went and left a note in a book "You were in love with Eleanor" for himself to find.
Better check Janet's mouth for scraps of paper.

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