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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

There are already people who do good stuff because they believe -- but don't know for certain -- that there is a heaven and someone judging their actions. I don't think it's been explicitly stated that this doesn't get you points, the closest thing we know is that Tahani didn't get points because her motivations were corrupt but even then she also was super vain and pompous amongst other flaws that certainly cost her points.

We only know that knowing about the Good Place specifically negates any points you get past that point. I gotta think that's a special case, unless it's true that only a handful of super elite people get into the Good Place, but I kind of figured that was at least partially Bad Place propaganda.

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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Strom Cuzewon posted:

For those who aren't podcast fans, my favourite detail is how Doug Forcett is just the yearbook photo of Michael Schur's...brother-in-law I think. Who had an extremely odd day when he came to visit the set and Ted Danson was very excited to meet him.

He's very lucky to have that picture in his office

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

lifts cats over head posted:

The season 2 thread is located in the dot of the "I" in Jeremy Bearimy.

points to a squiggle:

"that's my birthday :)"

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Dr Christmas posted:

Is this the first time we learn that you need a large number of points to get into the good place? I just assumed it had to be positive, with better rewards the higher you got, and Mindy Saint Claire being the only person ever to get exactly zero.

In the first few episodes they imply it's the elite of the elite, but of course that's Bad Place lying to appeal to Tahani's arrogance, Chidi's obliviousness and mess with Eleanor and Jason. We don't actually know what the criteria are since we spent so much time in the Bad Place and our major source is Michael who doesn't seem to fully know either. So it turns out that if anything the Bad Place propaganda was being generous if anything, since nobody has gotten in.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Mameluke posted:

Like, what is the Time-Knife? And why is Chidi seeing it so important? I wanna know!

Whatever happens I can't imagine it doesn't involve a stomach ache

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

emgeejay posted:

when it becomes a quibbling argument about common meanings of the word pandemonium

Hahah just skimmed it and it was more about how exactly obscure the literary reference was

MaxieSatan had the only good take: roughly that maybe obscure academia isn't really an issue in a show where they routinely reference specific works and concepts that only a philosophy major would know

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

To elaborate, if they did that at this point it would establish that Michael and the Bad Place demons have such a ridiculous control over reality and the humans' perception that there would literally never be a reason for the humans to ever attempt to fight back. It would immediately suck any kind of tension or narrative potential out of the show because it would always just be about "wow these Bad Place guys are still doing the zaniest poo poo to trick these humans yet again"

Also it would directly contradict a bunch of stuff that happened that even the humans didn't know about, that wasn't for the benefit of them being tortured and wouldn't make sense if they still were being tortured all along.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Ashrik posted:

While it's definitely interesting to think about, there's almost zero percent chance that "The show is saying that capitalism is an inherently immoral system that taints us all" will be a credible take after the last episode of this season airs.

I fully expect them to walk it in a different direction as that's at once too bleak, too "political", and too challenging a concept to expect from an NBC funny show.

So we might as well post about what we think will end up being the issue by the time the season ends. I guess what someone above wrote which was like "the system tallies all the negative unintended consequences and externalities, but none of the positive ones" is the safest one. But I think we can do better

I think they'll do what they kind of always have done, and what they even did with the "capitalism bad" mini-rant from this latest episode. They'll introduce a serious concept but abstract it enough so it's palatable to a wider audience, while still giving people who care enough to think about it enough to chew on.

Like Michael's takeaway "this guy bought a flower but turns out there's no ethical consumption under capitalism" was "life has gotten more 'complicated' ". Both the original message is there for anyone to see but the lesson has the edges softened so people who don't want to think about it don't have to.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Senor Tron posted:

Helmsman of the Defiant in First Contact.

The rear end in a top hat Corporate Guy in Secret Life of Walter Mitty

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Regy Rusty posted:

Are we gonna have to wait till next season to find out who the other two are???

I feel like the next reveal is going to be a twist and derail this whole memory wipe thing

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Regy Rusty posted:

Wait was there doubt?

People thought the reference wouldn't fly on network TV since it's not as mainstream as Kant and Hume

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Christ that's all from a single article?

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Yeah while it might be somewhat redundant with Simone, an ex-girlfriend or even someone who just has immediate chemistry with Jason would be great because it would also screw with Janet which would throw a maaaajjjjorrr wrench in their plans, especially if she starts glitching

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Senor Tron posted:

Going along with the spirit of what they do because it brings joy to others +200.

Yeah, exactly. It's a show about eating hot wings, you don't bring your own meal...

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

I live in Chicago and there's exactly 2 copies of the book in their library system and they are constantly checked out. That's not the case with basically any other philosophy book. I would give extremely high odds that it was fans of the show checking it out.

Also I don't understand why the people who Tweeted that would stage it to claim someone else was clever? Like, they could make the exact same Tweet and frame it as "I left a surprise for any other #TheGoodPlace fans who might check out this book".

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Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Normy posted:

Is the implication that this is the same prop book from the show now added to a library or just that some other fan wrote it?

The latter

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