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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

lmao the tories are literally propping up Victor Orban, the most openly anti-semitic leader in the west.

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TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

I very quickly stopped finding vegans irritating when I saw that people are literally killed by the fumes from actual lakes of pig poo poo in rural america, which probably isn't even the worst part of industrial farming's environmental consequences. So now, despite still eating meat, whenever a vegan starts up I just sort of nod along in miserable agreement, cos industralised agriculture is contributing to killing us all with deforestation and cow farts.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Yes, as a life long vegetarian who has never been about shoving it folks face, got to say that as soon as you say you don't eat meat someone has to jump in "oh but X is so yummy" etc etc and god it's dull. Which means I bring up my vegetarianism as rarely as possible.

https://twitter.com/alan_butler/status/1057617637549793281

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
I had to check back through the thread to make sure I hadn't said anything mean about vegans that would damage my blossoming relationship with some of the higher ups in the chat thread. And I haven't.

UNTIL NOW!

Nah just joking, I consider vegans to be almost the same as normal humans.

I think its a bit like how my parents are massive racists. You need a shock to the system otherwise you gradually come round to the idea with society but not really. Like I get it. Vegans. But nah.

Granted to see a woman at my BBQ would be difficult to take. But I understand now. I would take it.

Similarly. Recently, at Verbier, I'd planned for our group (some only vegetarian, not fully vegan) to come together during meal times by preparing together only meals in a tapas or like, wrappy, fashion, so there was no ONE meal as such just lots of different scoops of gunk, some meaty, some normal, some vegan. But no, it couldn't be done. Quickly the group stratified along food lines and separated into meat/non meat enclaves and whispers about the cleanliness/general worthiness of the other camps ran rampant.

I was forced to ski into the wilderness and bemoan my lot in life. (Which I did gloriously)

Maybe next season.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

NotJustANumber99 posted:

I had to check back through the thread to make sure I hadn't said anything mean about vegans that would damage my blossoming relationship with some of the higher ups in the chat thread. And I haven't.

UNTIL NOW!

Nah just joking, I consider vegans to be almost the same as normal humans.

I think its a bit like how my parents are massive racists. You need a shock to the system otherwise you gradually come round to the idea with society but not really. Like I get it. Vegans. But nah.

Granted to see a woman at my BBQ would be difficult to take. But I understand now. I would take it.

Similarly. Recently, at Verbier, I'd planned for our group (some only vegetarian, not fully vegan) to come together during meal times by preparing together only meals in a tapas or like, wrappy, fashion, so there was no ONE meal as such just lots of different scoops of gunk, some meaty, some normal, some vegan. But no, it couldn't be done. Quickly the group stratified along food lines and separated into meat/non meat enclaves and whispers about the cleanliness/general worthiness of the other camps ran rampant.

I was forced to ski into the wilderness and bemoan my lot in life. (Which I did gloriously)

Maybe next season.

lucky for you this thread strongly encourages drunkposting

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
The red poppy obsessed wankers are loving idiots and ironically the sadly irrefutable demonstration that there never can be peace between the peoples of Earth because of stuff like this

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

forkboy84 posted:

Yes, as a life long vegetarian who has never been about shoving it folks face, got to say that as soon as you say you don't eat meat someone has to jump in "oh but X is so yummy" etc etc and god it's dull. Which means I bring up my vegetarianism as rarely as possible.

https://twitter.com/alan_butler/status/1057617637549793281

As someone who hates seafood and many vegetables and is constantly being told I'm 'missing out' I don't think lecturing others about what food is delicious or not has anything to do with being a meat eater.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I thirst for blood and if I am denied the blood of the wealthy I have to get it somewhere.

I could probably be an unhappy vegetarian but I don't think I could ever do veganism because I don't know how to cook things without animal ingredients even if the meat isn't the focus, the majority of my cookery instruction growing up was basically how to slather the animal portion of the meal onto the vegetable portion to make it taste better.

So while vegetables are nice I really struggle to prepare things I really like without using butter, lard, cheese, cream, or some other kind of animal fat as an ingredient. Would basically need to re-learn how to cook.

I also draw the line at salads, what is the loving point in salad, it all tastes like eating a loving tree.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Nov 1, 2018

Random Integer
Oct 7, 2010

Relevant Squires post



If youre not covering yourself head to toe in poppies then I dont want to talk to you

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!

Lady Demelza posted:

People who mock vegans for being evangelical have never met a committed carnivore. Yes, it is possible to have a proper meal that doesn't contain meat, in fact entire cultures have based their cuisine on vegetables and grains because that's what was in abundance.

In war chat: contact the Imperial War Museum about any war diaries, letters or objects, and if they don't want them they will certainly be able to recommend other places.

Had an 'interesting' conversation with the gammoniest guy in my office earlier this year which basically boiled down to him admitting that he wouldn't eat a meat substitute even if it was indestinguishable from actual meat. What the gently caress is wrong with people, meat is delicious, but I don't know how you can fetishise it so hard, it's just protein and fat and heme.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

TACD posted:

I've just come back from a gig where the bar was selling 'XL pints' that were just 2 pints in a huge glass. This is a brilliant idea and I want to know why pubs across the country aren't doing it.
Corporation in Sheffield does that for their gigs and I always appreciated only having to fight my way through the crowd to the bar half as often.

Lord of the Llamas posted:

I sympathise with vegetarians but vegans are just pricks who want to take my cheese as far as I can see.
Nah it's basically a sound idea and I mostly agree with the principle of veganism, but a) many vegans don't think about the problematic parts of their supply chain and the environmental impact or economic damage to small farmers of (for instance) producing a shitload of soy. No doubt it's still better overall than meat, but I'm uncomfortable with the complete focus on animals without really much consideration given to humans. b) organisations like Peta and the Vegan Society are so extreme in their views that they basically do more harm than good by making vegans look completely loving nuts and being unwilling to compromise on anything at all. Veganism isn't really that scary or difficult and you can do a lot of good by going even partway towards it, but its loudest proponents sure seem committed to making it look unappealing. And finally, c) I am a bad person and just don't care enough to commit to the lifestyle because it's a bit inconvenient to me.

OwlFancier posted:

are nice I really struggle to prepare things I really like without using butter, lard, cheese, cream, or some other kind of animal fat as an ingredient. Would basically need to re-learn how to cook.
You can replace basically any fats with something like vegetable or coconut oil and there are a ton of non-dairy dairy products that taste essentially identical as an ingredient in food. Cheese is impossible though and I still prefer cow milk to almond/oat/soy/whatever alternatives in tea. Rice milk is way better in a hot chocolate though

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



OwlFancier posted:

I thirst for blood and if I am denied the blood of the wealthy I have to get it somewhere.

I could probably be an unhappy vegetarian but I don't think I could ever do veganism because I don't know how to cook things without animal ingredients even if the meat isn't the focus, the majority of my cookery instruction growing up was basically how to slather the animal portion of the meal onto the vegetable portion to make it taste better.

So while vegetables are nice I really struggle to prepare things I really like without using butter, lard, cheese, cream, or some other kind of animal fat as an ingredient. Would basically need to re-learn how to cook.

I also draw the line at salads, what is the loving point in salad, it all tastes like eating a loving tree.

Salad can be nice when it's a side to a proper meal, but as an actual meal in itself, salad... isn't

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Pound_Coin posted:

The BBC, so committed to impartiality that they just called our involvement in Yemen "Politically uncomfortable"


How hosed does your moral compass have to be to not be able to call a war crime wrong?

Hey, they can be war crimes and also be politically uncomfortable for our MPs! :v:

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
There are some really good salads: potato salad, coleslaw, lettuce+tomato+onion+vinegar, Russian salad, Waldorf, etc

But yeah if your idea of "salad" is "a bunch of leafy greens" then I guess the only good one is spinach on its own. Spinach is the only leafy green I can eat by itself pretty much

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

Ms Adequate posted:

Salad can be nice when it's a side to a proper meal, but as an actual meal in itself, salad... isn't

it can easily be a dish by itself a salad doesn't have to be just a few limp lettuce leaves and a half rotten tomato

hell even a green salad can be a meal unto itself if you go heavy on spinach and rocket and dress it properly

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
dish!=meal

oh no computer
May 27, 2003

What I found hard with going vegan is that if you cook authentic vegan food by avoiding faux-meat and "veganised" meat dishes all you're left with seems to be curries, stir fries or weird middle eastern stuff. Which is great if you like that sort of thing but I was raised on meat and two veg and didn't consume a SpiceTM until I was well into my teens so I found it really difficult to stick to.

That said I do agree with it for the most part and find anti-vegans far more annoying than the most boorish vegans.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

youtube commenter posted:

What I found hard with going vegan is that if you cook authentic vegan food by avoiding faux-meat and "veganised" meat dishes all you're left with seems to be curries, stir fries or weird middle eastern stuff. Which is great if you like that sort of thing but I was raised on meat and two veg and didn't consume a SpiceTM until I was well into my teens so I found it really difficult to stick to.

That said I do agree with it for the most part and find anti-vegans far more annoying than the most boorish vegans.

I can totally see that. It seems like a format of food issue to an extent? Like a stuffed squash or something, I guess more boring even is like a burger in a bun? I suppose thats the point of those pizzas I don't approve of.

The DPRK
Nov 18, 2006

Lipstick Apathy
Funny story, I was hospitalised with a form of IBS while I was vegan (unrelated but I was told the high fibre diet sped up my disease) and ended up going back to eating meat and dairy while I was in recovery. I could probably go back to it again now but don't want to risk it. Without being too graphic, the extra traffic would likely cause another flare up that I can't be bothered with. Sorry animals.

I've taken a small amount of joy from telling that to pushy vegans I've met who wouldn't accept that I 'couldn't do it for health reasons'.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
I could eat you and become a vegan! what now?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
Then a larger vegan eats you and a yet larger one eats them and so it continues until eventually they get too big and split into hundreds of tiny veglings. The circle of life.

brian
Sep 11, 2001
I obtained this title through beard tax.

I think about being a vegetarian or vegan but then I remember what wagyu steak yakiniku tasted like in japan and I don't think I can voluntarily not constantly revolve my life around pursuit of meat

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

big scary monsters posted:

Then a larger vegan eats you and a yet larger one eats them and so it continues until eventually they get too big and split into hundreds of tiny veglings. The circle of life.

your avatar is the vegan fallacy.

Gavrilo Princip
Feb 4, 2007

aw gently caress and to think I really liked their latest album

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/oct/31/hookworms-split-after-abuse-allegations-against-bands-singer

While on the topic of music I am forever indebted to whoever it was (I wanna say Ms Adequate?) who recommended the Carpenter Brut track Hairspray Hurricane and the associated album in this thread, I credit it with helping me knock 10% off my 5K run time.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Gavrilo Princip posted:

aw gently caress and to think I really liked their latest album

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/oct/31/hookworms-split-after-abuse-allegations-against-bands-singer

While on the topic of music I am forever indebted to whoever it was (I wanna say Ms Adequate?) who recommended the Carpenter Brut track Hairspray Hurricane and the associated album in this thread, I credit it with helping me knock 10% off my 5K run time.

I did mention that track specifically but I'm not the only one who has gushed about the band! At any rate good for you, keep up the good work my goon :)

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

I can't fault extreme vegans and I think they do important work to a degree because otherwise most of this stuff just wouldn't be out there nearly as much. Just getting people to consider that eating meat can be controversial is a massive loving pain, imagine if they'd never heard of vegetarians /vegans before?

The real problem with the vegan movement has already been noted above: 1) not considering the human cost to save animals (which is why my veganism cannot be separated from my socialism) and 2) boojie fucks who treat it as a social marker or something while ignoring the actual animal welfare bits, 'white veganism', etc.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Whilst I don't object to a "eat whites" policy I don't think we're quite so low that we can't be counted as animals

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
It's November :colbert:

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Luv 2 post in the October thread in November.

My fav thing.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

youtube commenter posted:

What I found hard with going vegan is that if you cook authentic vegan food by avoiding faux-meat and "veganised" meat dishes all you're left with seems to be curries, stir fries or weird middle eastern stuff.

Yes. Well, there is an alternative from British history: pottage! Which is basically any veg you have around stewed with pulses or grain and the odd herb. The trouble is that we are used to tasty food.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.
I can sometimes go a stretch of days where the only meat I have might be a few slices of pepperoni or chorizo or some meat stock and I don't realise it much at all and I could probably push it a bit more without problem provided every now and then I can still eat a humongous loving steak/bucket of kentucky.

Helps that my wife is 98% veggie and a lot of stuff for veggies is so much loving better than it was 20 years ago

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
As a meat eater I've given strong considerations to taking up hunting, but it's quite a big time effort. Though I am unsure how ethical it is because it seems to me life as a wild animal is actuallt pretty hellish, maybe the ethical part is giving you a quick ending with a bullet as opposed to being torn apart by wolves or bears?

EDIT: Another strategy I've wondered about is making meat last longer, mixing it with something else, maybe quorn? Soy something bits?

His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Nov 1, 2018

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

ookiimarukochan posted:

Are the Met planning on doing what a large number if not all US police forces do, and handing out literal "get out of jail" free cards to people who give them enough money? We've been fairly good at avoiding that sort of naked corruption in the UK due to the lip-service, at least, obeyance of the Peelian principles.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


His Divine Shadow posted:

As a meat eater I've given strong considerations to taking up hunting, but it's quite a big time effort. Though I am unsure how ethical it is because it seems to me life as a wild animal is actuallt pretty hellish, maybe the ethical part is giving you a quick ending with a bullet as opposed to being torn apart by wolves or bears?

EDIT: Another strategy I've wondered about is making meat last longer, mixing it with something else, maybe quorn? Soy something bits?
If you live in the countryside, buy a high powered airgun and bag yourself some rabbits and wood pigeons, they actually do quite a lot of ecological harm uncontrolled so it's an environmental net gain (as well as being delicious). Also, pheasants are easy pickings if there's any gamekeepers in your area, and since they're bred in captivity anyway you can file it under "stealing food from rich people" rather than "hunting" (yeah it's illegal, yeah it's unsporting, but lead's cheap and I used to be dirt poor, cut me some slack). If you've got the inclination for it, I used to like ferreting too:- there's enough non-delicious pest species out there to keep them well-fed, they're great fun to keep and they'll bring in a lot more rabbits for you and your neighbours. Just don't take anything in the off-season so you don't leave any orphaned babbies.

e: bear in mind you'll need a high powered airgun so buy one at the legal limit and ideally take it to a friendly local gunsmith who doesn't ask any questions, and even then headshots only, and use round headed pellets so you don't overpenetrate

Also, I'm a massive meat fan but got a bunch of fake meat a while back to at least cut back on my meat consumption, and I actually only eat meat a few times a week now, it isn't bad. Quorn mince is the best imo, the texture isn't the same as real meat so it's not so good in the dishes you actually like & take pride in, but it's fine for everyday use. The sausages are alright too in sausage casserole & similar (but shite on their own) and the "chicken" fillets are a bit naff but you can make a bunch of quick and easy/tasty enough things with them. Also chicken-nugget-a-likes are pretty much the same as the real thing if you like crappy junk food, and the Swedish meatballs are alright. Yeah I know that isn't "real" vegetarian food, but I lift (and the macros on fake stuff are incredible, way better than meat).

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Nov 1, 2018

Fans
Jun 27, 2013

A reptile dysfunction
Vegetarian food is actually really nice and cheaper than meat. Even if you've no plan to go Vegetarian try Bean Burgers or their weird Sausages sometime. They're legit good.

I went vegetarian for a while and it was piss easy. I don't get the "It's so impossible to work out what to eat" when they pretty much have exact substitutes for literally any meat you can think of that also costs less.

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Bean burgers are very good. Shooting wild rabbits and woodpidge is very good. Also here's your Nov thread but calendars are a bourgeois construct.

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