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BIG HEADLINE posted:I think I've found a new reason to hate the finale. Only people who had been in german camps. While the japanese clearly practice race science, they dont seem to sterilize and they dont have camps in America (I'm sure they took a few ideas from the nazis in Manchuria...)
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Slothful Bong posted:Amazon is tight lipped about this for everything so I only have a laymans perspective - but I think (among other causes), that world events leading up to the season 2 release put things in an uncomfortable perspective for some. Sorry if I'm being obtuse...what world events? Trump's election and the rise of white supremacist/neo-nazis, I'm presuming> Slothful Bong posted:I'm on the VFX side, so I was only able to leave my mark there. I thought the effects were one of the strongest parts of the whole series. Loved the look of Berlin and the Albert Speer architecture come to life. Absolutely incredible to see what would have been. Slothful Bong posted:This leads to the neat situation where a show I worked on for 8 months can have story beats that completely surprise me. The joe death was one, and while I thought we might see him later on or in S4, I wasn't upset when we didn't. I thought for sure that Joe would make a reappearance...seemed like the Portal was designed for just that sort of thing, but so it goes. Slothful Bong posted:I don't know anything about the Tagomi situation besides public rumors, but I would've loved to have him in s4 Yeah, agree that this was a huge loss. Slothful Bong posted:The research involved with the CG work was so drat cool. Visiting a US Battleship in California, gathering photo reference in NYC, studying architecture, vehicles, clothing. I spent many hours going down a Japanese Navy livery rabbit hole, and figured out what kinds of Camo patterns would've existed at the time. I know I even spent some time on period-correct street sign fonts! The research efforts definitely showed. My wife and I were continually amazed by the attention to detail on everything. Slothful Bong posted:Being involved with such a great team was also a blessing. Everyone worked their asses off, and we were definitely punching above our weight with team-size. I'm still amazed that we've gotten the recognition we have (2 VFX Emmy nominations, 3? 4? VES nominations), especially being up against shows like GoT and Stranger Things. I would definitely say that it was a win for you guys to be in the mix with GoT and Stranger Things. Congratulations on all you and the team accomplished, and thanks for an entertaining (but still uneven  ) series!
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Jan 3, 2020 23:21
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. Cary is a great actor, and his Tagomi was such a key part of the first three seasons.
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Slothful Bong posted:Amazon is tight lipped about this for everything so I only have a laymans perspective - but I think (among other causes), that world events leading up to the season 2 release put things in an uncomfortable perspective for some. Hey just to throw it out there the look and design and work put in on the things you are talking about were definitely some of my favourite parts of the series. Even when I felt things were uneven it was definitely a great looking program. Thanks for your hard work
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Jan 4, 2020 00:09
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So I just finished this and let me echo the following sentiments 1) this was a visually spectacular show that was generally a good watch and broadly speaking I enjoyed its portrayal of the oft-repeated banality of evil and its focus on the everyday lives of terrible people. 2) gently caress that finale.
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Jan 6, 2020 00:26
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So I just finished it too. The world building and VFX were amazing. The last episode was great right through Smith killing himself. If only it stopped there. For a little bit I thought they were going to go with some sort of interdimensional monster coming out of the portal ala Stranger Things, and I thought that could have been kind of fun and interesting if handled the right way. It would have really changed the show though, and late in the game so it would have been tough. I agree that it felt a little rushed but I'm grateful that Prime gave them a chance to wrap it up. Overall 8/10.
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Jan 12, 2020 14:04
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I just wish they had had a super advanced Soviet battalion invade through the portal, from an alternate reality where the Soviets crushed the Nazis and emerged as the superpower. It would have been a fittingly dark end to a dystopian show.
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Jan 12, 2020 17:11
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But what if they played it off as communism working. Stalin was killed at some point and they ended up making the communist Utopia instead of the authoritarian dictatorship it became.
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Holy loving poo poo the last season was bad. I binged through the show in a few weeks, and it was uneven throughout but mostly more good than bad -- until the last season. It felt like they crammed two or three seasons' worth of stuff into PART of one season, and everything was insanely rushed. The Japanese just decide to gently caress off overnight and then a month later there's a panicked rush of packing and rushing for ships like a loving hung over college student who overslept and realized his plane home leaves in an hour. That could've been a season right there, instead of like two scenes. The rest of the season just felt like the writers couldn't come up with any logical paths to get where they wanted to go, so suddenly John Smith and Nazi General just loving murder the entire Nazi high command in one scene and take over the entire loving Nazi regime by themselves. Why the gently caress not! A couple hundred rag tag resistance guys just completely loving demolish a huge nazi stronghold in a matter of minutes, because why the gently caress not! Juliana Crain is now a super commando, because why the gently caress not! The Japanese just decide to abandon a crucial area because a supposedly massively powerful faction -- which we introduced 5 minutes earlier but trust us they've been there all along and they're SUPER POWERFUL GUYS -- suddenly flips on God Mode and starts blowing poo poo up, which apparently nobody thought to do earlier? Even the scenes that could have been good were so rushed and loving hamfisted, like the scene of the admiral's supposed execution where Kido almost literally does a repeat of the awful Game of Thrones last second "I sentence you to death ... EVIL MASTERMIND" *riflemen do a 180* reversal. I get what they were going for: Kido was struggling with his conscience until the last second but loving god damnit it was hacky. And the loving ending. Holy poo poo I can't remember the last time a show fumbled the finale this badly. With the exception of the final scene all of this could've been good, if they'd given it time. Introduced and set up the BCR properly over time. Given more than a last minute courtesy nod at the idea that the Japanese government were thinking of giving up the west coast (why? They crucially need the oil), given more than loving five minutes to the elimination of the entire Nazi high command... ugh. E: oh and Kido just joining the Yakuza in literally 5 seconds. E2: and nothing against the BCR. I think the idea of a bunch of black Americans going "uhh, about that American dream, it ain't so dreamy for us" is a great idea and worth exploring, but like so much in this season it just came out of nowhere and happened too quick. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Apr 30, 2020 |
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Apr 30, 2020 21:30
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I don't believe they were expecting this to be the final season, hence the crazy rush to the end. It seems they always were going to end the show with an assault on the portal but I don't think what we got was what was originally intended.
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Apr 30, 2020 21:37
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enraged_camel posted:I just wish they had had a super advanced Soviet battalion invade through the portal, from an alternate reality where the Soviets crushed the Nazis and emerged as the superpower. When they established "you can only cross over if you aren't alive in this dimension" I totally thought an Israeli army was going to march through and wreck the reich. Astroman posted:A book, not a tv show: That one is ok, it's Turtledove stretching a decent short story into a padded full length novel. A better thought out "Germany winning" story he wrote is "The Last Article" where in occupied India, Gandhi and Nehru try to begin a non-violence campaign against the occupiers. It's bleak. "Ready for the Fatherland" is another interesting take where Germany doesn't win, but neither do the allies as the war stops in 1943, then skips ahead to 1979 where the nazis are in a Cold War with the US and Soviets.
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Apr 30, 2020 22:07
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Anyone tried SS-GB on Netflix?
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Apr 30, 2020 23:14
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See, I thought the ending was terrible* because Thomas didn't lead the charge through the portal to wreck the Nazis. *At least one reason of many
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Marmaduke! posted:Anyone tried SS-GB on Netflix? Watched it on iPlayer. It’s very small in scope, and rather low budget compared to MitHC - basically a detective show. I won’t be worried if they don’t make more. 2 alternative history novels I’m aware of that are pretty fun are: Making History by Stephen Fry https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_History_(novel) Gay British guy time travels to prevent Hitler being born, gets back and it’s all worse. Weapons of Choice by John Birmingham https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/72989.Weapons_of_Choice Kinda stupid setup, but results in a bunch of present day military ships from various countries being transported back to WW2. They get involved on various sides. Tech gets reverse engineered, things go differently. But by far the most interesting thing is the way the novel looks at the impact of an electronic archive of *all present day popular culture and 20th century world history* suddenly existing. And being made available. The Nazis can see a detailed analysis of where their strategy went wrong. Some abuse the power (like Biff Tannen with the Sports Almanac) for personal gain - e.g. just go and sign a young Elvis Presley to a record contract. Also, imagine seeing how the 60s racial struggles go down 20 years earlier than they actually happened. Not the greatest novel, but filled with interesting ideas.
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wooger posted:Watched it on iPlayer. It’s very small in scope, and rather low budget compared to MitHC - basically a detective show. I won’t be worried if they don’t make more. I love the parts where disco music becomes wildly popular with people from the 40s, and Prince Harry (transported while still doing active military service) meets the royal family and they have to figure if he's in the line of succession or not.
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